thank you very much whitford sea rescue NOT
Submitted by aweall on Sun, 2013-02-03 22:43
could not believe the way the skipper of the tanya hall drove today.
i was trolling about 8 ks out when i saw a bloody big boat bearing down on me i slowed right down to let him get past me and he actually changed direction to go behind me we started waving to them and pointing at our rods and he turned to go closer as he cut behind our stern .
needlless to say 80 bucks of lures lost and he abused us when we started swearing at him he then pulled up to a launch which must have broken down as they were arranging a tow.
we couldnt believe that people who should know better would behave like that
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meglodon
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contact them directly
contact whitfords sea rescue directly and explain what has happened and you are not very impressed by their seamanship. but remember to keep calm and keep to the subject matter not people namely i experianced a loss due to bad seamanship
On the bright side of things the lures may still be wrapped around the prop, ask them to have a look
aweall
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good idea i will ring them
good idea i will ring them tomorrow
carnarvonite
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Col Regs
Question, who had right of way? Could be he was following what is written in the Col Regs that we all had to learn before getting our rec skippers tickets.
opsrey
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Right of way?
Perhaps common sense would have worked wonders all around. It might help to understand how far out the back your lures were. It does seem strange that the rescue boat maintained a "collision" bearing upon your boat, which caused you to stop trawling.
terboz123
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common sence? when i run a
common sence? when i run a spread of lures, not all lures are right in my prop wash........In fact my shotgun postion trolling outwide require it be way back behind the boat....i dont get what your saying here. The situation is strange i agree, and im sure it will be all worked out. But lure spread? na.
a hard days fishing still beats work
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Two sides to every story
I was on the other rescue boat and was advised what had happened.
They advised me that both boats were running in the same direction. They advised you changed direction. As they were unaware of your intentions and you had the right of way they chose to go behind you as the regulations require. It was not until the last minute that they stated someone was waving indicating you where trolling by which time it was to late.
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Swompa
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All due respect here, but
All due respect here, but were you in a channel? Why did the other boat need to change direction?
I thought the ocean was pretty big and you didnt need to get so close to anyone to warrent signaling to advise of change in direction.
I must admit is reinforces my opinion of sea rescue operations which is that that they think they own the ocean.
Iceman
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Vessel needing assistance
When we get a GPS posotion for a vessel needing assistance we track to that position. As the skipper was not sure of the other vessels intentions he applied the rules of the road and gave way and then continued on the track.
We do not think we own the ocean but when someone needs our assistance we get there as quickly as possible applying the rules of the road.
If life threatening emergency rule go out the window but we do have our emergency light on to ensure all vessel are aware we are attending an emergency and to give way if possible.
Don't forget our members and members of other sea rescue groups give freely of their time 24hrs a day 7 days a weeks 365 days a year. Last year we performed over 300 rescues. We are not all perfect and in the environment we work sometime accidents happen.
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carnarvonite
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Well said
Well said,
We also have to deal with all types of situations in all weather and worst of all some of the people we have to deal with normally you wouldn't give them the time of day, they are that bad one wonders how in hell they got a boat let alone a licence to drive it.
Sometimes things go a little pear shaped but we are only human and as Iceman says, all volunteers. If you feel you can do a better job, then put your hand up and join up as an active member of you local unit, we are always after new members.
Rob H
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Best bet rather than jumping
Best bet rather than jumping up and down or waving arms and swearing (both sides) would merely have been to jump on the radio and state your intentions, especially if you know the identity of the vessel approaching.
This is a perfectly acceptable method of changing your rights and responsibilities as stand on vessel.
it is common with commercial vessels especially in the traffic rich areas such as Freo Dampier etc
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The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
aweall
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You are correct in what you
You are correct in what you say except we where not expecting him to do what he did especially passing so close to our stern
aweall
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That's not quite correct we
That's not quite correct we where trolling at approx 7 knots when we saw him to our left we slowed to 3 knots he had ample space to pass in front we at no time changed our direction I do have the GPS track still on machine he would have passed us with more room than je gave is at stern of us as soon as he changed direction we started waving he coul have turned further to his right to pass our stern further behind us but he appeared to actuall change again to pass closer to our stern and rather than apologise for cutting us off he yelled abuse to us. I know they normally do a great job and generally deserve a lot of kudos for what they do ,but it's always funny to see how facts subtly change when a mistake is made
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@Iceman
I suppose the question is, was this particular call for assistance a "life threatening situation?" Was a vessel about to run aground, was there a medical emergency or did these guys just run out of fuel but secured the vessel? Surely the nature of the call out would determine the shortest route with calculated risk? If an extra 10 seconds did not mean the difference between life and death then in my opinion the skipper could have made a decision and taken a safer, wider route passing the other vessel(s) in the area.
I hope it's not time that we need to start flying a flag (like trawlers who have trawl gear in the water) to indicate to other boaters that your vessel is trolling and currently has a spread of lures in the water. Yes it's possible to take evasive action but in a large ocean surely the vessel without gear in the water is best suited to take action. Otherwise it's just downright inconvenient.
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No question, Blue flasing
No question, Blue flasing light on the searesque boats means; get out of the way!
You see the firebrigade/police/ambulance all the time rushing to an alarm, most of the time for the firies it is a false alarm.
They also have right of way when they indicate by sirens and flashing lights they are in a hurry!
If you are not as yet a member then join and pay up your little share to be able to be asisted/resqued and return to land safely by volunteers who do an outstanding job!
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it didnt have a blue flashing
it didnt have a blue flashing light as far as I read (maybe I missed it)?
If not an emergency it doesnt matter if its the Queen Mary, still need to follow Colregs.
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Everyone's just winging it.
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no one
is disagreeing, the VMR do an outstanding job, lets just get that out of the way. Added to that I'm also a paid up member so this has nothing to do with the core values but rather and incident that with hindesight could have been handled differently and wouldnot require defending their actions on a public forum. Neither am I suggesting making their lives more difficult by getting in their way (or rather not getting out of their way) but let's look at the case in hand here. If the shortest route to a waypoint is through an area with craypots would the skipper ignore them and risk getting his props caught or would he take slight evasive action and navigate a bit further afield, in safer waters? The private fisho took evasisve action. Despite having the right of way, HE SLOWED DOWN. I wonder what would of happened if he did not keep a level head, panicked and speeded up?? Two wrongs don't make a right but the ocean is a big place (not a narrow congested road), common sense should prevail.
PS! Comparing it to an ambulance, fire brigade or police vehicle using the same narrow road and traffic does not hold water.
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iceman right
iceman is right. to drive a rescue vessel requires you to be skilled experienced and level headed! out of a rec boat and a rescue boat sorry rescue boat everyday of the week! if their lightsare on you get outa the way. no cmparison to fire ambos police! geez thats rich!
you see a rescue boat bearing dwn on you get yr lures out of the wate. get on the radio and inform them of gear in the water.
and dont lie to save yr ass!
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Try sticking with the facts.
Try sticking with the facts. I'm not saying the rec boat skipper is more experienced, skilled and THAT is my point. There's all sorts of aresholes driving rec boats, not a weekend goes by where I'm not infuriated by some idiot. That is why a professional, experienced and skilled skipper, like that of a rescue vessel should anticipate that the bloke doodling along in lala land with his lures in the water probably staring into his plotter is caught by surprise when he looks up and sees a big rescue boat with flashing lights about to run into him. The first thing that would go through my mind is FAAAAAK, who's got right of way, what are HIS intentions and most probably, what have I done wrong??? I'm just saying that with hindesight (if I were skippering the rescuse boat IN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THIS THREAD) I would have taken a wide berth, hopped on the radio and thanked them for slowing down. Simple really!
PS! Yes you can put all rescue services in the same bracket as unsung hero's whom I admire, appreciate and respect. Nothing gives me more comfort than seeing the boys & grils on the water or giving them a wave when we return to harbour. I'm merely saying that it would be easier for a rescue boat to take evasive action on the open sea than a fire engine in Hay Street in peak hour!
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Hold up a minute here
Hold up a minute here people......
Your all getting a bit carried away............................
.........& I havn't got my popcorn yet
Just because I smile & nod does not mean I believe the crap coming out of your mouth.
All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the privilege.
aweall
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Look no one is saying they
Look no one is saying they don't do a great job but in this instance they got it wrong . There was no light flashing we did not even ralise it was a Whitfords sea rescue boat till they approached our stern.
i don't think there was an emergency because when I passed them where the tow was being setup everyone seemed very laid back and not in a hurry. To be honest when I first saw the boat I thought there was no skipper at the helm and they where on autopilot but it must have been a trick of the light cos I doubt that would have been the case
like I said all on board my boat could not believe what they witnessed and said it felt like they deliberately did it
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has contact been made between both parties involved
Has a phone call been made between both parties involved in the incident, if so what was the result of the call.
My view is that the two parties need to talk to each other then put out a jointly agreed statement on what happened and a reccomendation on what course of action the VMR groups would like to see small boat owners take in certain types of situations.
It is to everones benifit if a course of educating boat owners is under taken by VMR groups rather than setting blame on each other, and yes we all know about the rules for preventing collision at sea. But they are easily put to the back of the mind unless you are required to work within them every second day.
We know Aweal is not happy with what happened and it's a fair guess that the VMR group involved is not happy with the result, let these two people talk to each other in private and then present a guide to ensure the risk of a similiar event not happening again.
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"Like" button duly pressed
Positive outcome from a negative situation is always a good idea.
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Seafari
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I can see your intent and
I can see your intent and it's all good and no doubt for all the right reasons but lets be honest here. Publsihing a guideline for common sense is not going to work. I mean even RST has not prevented idiots from driving their boats on the wrong side of the harbour lanes and then abusing me for keeping to the right and showing them to move over! Not to mention speeding in 5knt zones etc. I've skippere boats professionally and rest assured the safest way of avoiding incident is not relying on the fact that the other person has seen you or that if they have that they will do the right thing. It's a bit like riding a motor bike on the road, take nothing foregranted and keep a safe distance, plus some more.
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No easy answer to this
There is no easy answer to this and we could go on forever. What I will do is raise the issue with our skippers and advise them that there are a lot of boat trolling this time of year and clear the vessels stern by a greater distance just in case they are trolling.
Not all of our skippers are fisherman so even if they saw rods bent on an angle at the stern would know they were trolling.
We all learn from our mistake.
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Thanks Iceman, that's the
Thanks Iceman, that's the most sensible and constructive answer/solution. And whilst you're chatting to "the boys" please again remind them that their efforts, commitment and service that they provide the WA fishing community is appreciated more than they can imagine.
To all the fisho's please acknowledge these guys by giving them a wave and all the space and courtesy that they need to carry out their important and essential work.
Thanks guys!
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Well said
Well said
meglodon
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plus 1
plus 1
Rob H
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Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
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PHEW
Phew I was getting a headache...glad some common ground has been found
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ffffaaaaarrrkkk this was
ffffaaaaarrrkkk this was sorted out all too sensibly. They should have given you the secretary of state job Iceman.C'mon group hug.
Love the West!
aweall
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thanks iceman as i said
thanks iceman as i said before i do respect the work they do just it burned me and i had to rant.
i did ring them today and spoke to a very nice gentleman on the phone who apologised for the incident but knew nothing of it . he did give me the commodores number to ring but either his giving or my listening buggered up and i wrote doen the wrong number.but no biggie im sure your call has it sorted.
cheers
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?
Not all of our skippers are fisherman so even if they saw rods bent on an angle at the stern would know they were trolling. maybe a couple of photos of people catching fish,trolling etc etc on the back of the dunny door may help.....
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The debate appears over
Why in hell throw fuel on the now extinct fire. Just chill!!
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