Pricks in the canals
Submitted by jighead on Sat, 2013-09-14 17:32
Who do these people think they are in the canal systems of mandurah. I was having a fish shore based not standing in anyones property and casting next to a jetty out the front of a house and this guy comes out and says you cant fish there i own that. Bullshit, the water is everybodys, I never touched his jetty, he had no boat moored on it and hey says I feed those fish. Good onya mate cause you obviously don't feed them enough as they really liked my zman grub. I can't stand pricks like this. I gave him a bit and moved on. What a wanker. It's not the first time either.
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Stratos-Fear
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There was some old bugger
There was some old bugger down there that's has been know to throw rocks. He was reported to police. If I remember right I think you can only own land to the low tide mark but I could be wrong. Sounds like a guy would que up to hate his mother. Not doing anything wrong at all as you said.
petervb
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What a fuck wit, if you were
What a fuck wit, if you were doing thw wrong thing and trashing his back yard or something i would understand him giving you the move on, but that is ridiculous. Should arrange a bream fishing day for everyone to attend outt the back of his place, get a heap of bogans down with the eskys , stereo etc.
jighead
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I had that stereo bit in
I had that stereo bit in mind pete. Anchor out the front and play some music real loud. Just don't want to piss off the rest of the civilised neighbors that's all.
MUSTANG 2250
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count me in
count me in
Shark1
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i ll be there for the bogan
i ll be there for the bogan classic
he cant do you anyhting even if the property aint posted as private etc.and if he feeds em -better place than any
tell me when i ll bring the small boat down and well go sit there all day
Shane O
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+1
Count me in bring down my jetski as well
snipesleher
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Crown Land
On the beach its crown land serveral meters above high tide mark .
Wesley
meglodon
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bad news about the canals
This type of thing has been going on for a long time it has even had it's day in local court. The end result is that Mandurah council with the estuary's and rivers authority have made it an offense to fish from land and boat in certain canals. The question of ownership of the water way was raised in court and the owners successfully argued that no such water existed before the canals where developed and as such the land owners have paid for the right to have ownership of the water way, and in there generosity they will allow boats to pass through the canals.
I shit you not,
if you want to experience some fantastic duck shoveling of the matter give Mandurah Council a ring (ask for the rangers section) and then give the rivers and estuary's authority a ring. It will only cost you a day wasting time and listening to one of the biggest scandals to infest the Mandurah area.
saltatrix
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Meglodon: In their generosity
Meglodon: In their generosity they will allow boats to pass through the canals.
I shit you not
This is piss funny mainly because the water is connected to the tidal region. Ownership means they must have public liability to cover the public passing their property on a vessel. They would be paying council rates on the water property area also, land taxes.
$100 million liability each property owner should do it in case people are killed on the water. If they are the property owners damages will be sought from them.
Their insurance companies would be having a coronary.
Do their land titles go to centre of the canal? Because you dont own the back alley ways when you purchase a house.
Its rare
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pluggers, stubbies, flano and
pluggers, stubbies, flano and export at the ready!
MUSTANG 2250
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we need a convoy of ride on
we need a convoy of ride on eskys with the radios occy strapped to the back
Michael Yoni
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Which canals were they.
Which canals were they.
Hairyone
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I agree......he sounds like a
I agree......he sounds like a miserable prick. But legally he might be right. Other than the canal joining the ocean, its not a lot different to throwing your yabbies nets in a farmers dam...(if you don't cross his property getting there that is?)
The price of having that canal dug would have been included in the value of his property when purchased.....so technically he would own it I guess?
No reason not to share though.
Shark1
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the upkeep of the canals is
the upkeep of the canals is paid by everyones council rates- does the canal then not belong to everyone?
Hairyone
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If they pay the same amount
If they pay the same amount of council rates and it is kept by the council not a corporate body......yeah....I would think so.
lame
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canal upkeep
upkeep is by the canal owners , signage for the canal is upto the department of transport and shire
if they have a jetty licence through the dept transport then in theory that water is private property but i doubt you can claim fish as property so guess it's like the farmer dam senario or look at it this way it's like marron season where although someone may have a stake with a rag on it , they don't own that section of dam although it's polite to give them there fishing ground but if the've got the whole dam staked then polite goes out the window
Lowza
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Waterside Drive , Dudley Park?
Waterside Drive , Dudley Park?
jighead
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Halls head side mate just
Halls head side mate just northwest of the new bridge. Other people in there are great and couldn't care less. Just some people have problems. Good to see all your support guys. There's no need for his kind of behaviour.
Michael Yoni
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Www.fish.wa.gov.au/documents
Www.fish.wa.gov.au/documents/recreational_fishing/rec_licence_netting.pdf
Is it the area that is depicted on page 27?.
C.P
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Goes both ways
My Parents have a canal house in Mandurah & are more than happy for people to flick lures around their jetty. They are glad to see fishermen having a bit of fun. Some fishermen can be pricks too though. On one occasion a guy was in a boat & scaping mussels off the jetty posts while Dads boat is tied up , then abuses my dad when he points out that its a private jetty. I think thats going a bit far.
Michael Yoni
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Do you know the difference
Do you know the difference between net fishing and line fishing.
lame
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your link didn't work
is this what you were chasing http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/recreational_fishing/licences/rec_licence_netting.pdf
jighead
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If the posts are there mate
If the posts are there mate I see it as free range. Nobody owns the water no matter what you say. I've taken mussels off the floating pens in the marina and nobody seems happy about it but so what. I have lived here for 34 years and if they want to to turn it into a privaliged backyard then so be it but it won't stop me. Before all the shit was built it was a lagoon. I've lived here all my life and nobody is gonna tell me what I can take or not. My grandad passed in that lagoon on his morning swim, And I spent many hours growing up wind surfing, fishing and crabbing before they fucked it for the rich.
I'll take what I want thanks.
C.P
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A rich what?
Settle down Mate, theres no need for comments like that.
marble
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Some canal developments
Some canal developments (I don't know about the one your on about) the land owners do own out into the water. Their block extends to include their private jetty and they have paid top dollar to own land that they cant use for anything apart from that jetty. I could cut and copy site plans for some houses I`ve worked on if you like. Maybe the bloke was in the wrong but you " giving him a bit" and then banging on in a public forum about it " fucked it for the rich" doesn't help fishos cause to be allowed access to places like this. That bloke will probably have the time and resources to make himself heard. Best thing you can do is ignore him and fish somewhere else. A pain in the arse maybe but why antagonise him and others like him ?
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jighead
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Are you for real! Do you
Are you for real! Do you think he he is something special. I think not mate. People living in other area's may be able to sort themselves as well.
Michael Yoni
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So were you fishing in that
So were you fishing in that area on page 27. Yes or no?. When the situation happened.
marble
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No I don't think he is
No I don't think he is something special. I also think your a loudmouth dickhead.
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jighead
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No worries mate. Think what
No worries mate. Think what you want.
Michael Yoni
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my apologies, I miss read
my apologies, I miss read your op as casting net (not next) apologies.
petermac
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no different
when I lived in tom price , I was out prospecting for gold on my then girl friends dads pegged lease , I had been there many times with her dad . This Rio exploration Toyota roars and orders me of the place, I pointed out it was pegged by mick westerman and I had permission didn't matter, told to move on or they would get the cops to move me , I had to pack up my camp and move on . hard to battle the rio,s of this world even though I was working for them at the time. they think they own the pilbara
Ashram
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I missed a bit
What's the bit about fishing and netting. Mmm confused
cryline
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If you go to Landgate's
If you go to Landgate's website and the online mapviewer, search the area and have a look at the cadastral boundaries, most of them go out into the canal and include the jetties. Pretty likely then its private property and they have every right to tell you to get off their property.
If it was me, I wouldnt mind if your not causing trouble but everyone is different.
Jackalchub
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???
I have experienced similar situations in both Canal and alongside river moorings. One day in particular comes to my mind - having a peaceful flick along the murray river, when BAM! a large log splashes next to the snag im casting at!
Without mentioning any names, it was the guy who owns the Nautica lodge in North Yunderup (his house is around 100m from the river and has a road separating it). Are we allowed to fish in the canal systems/rivers with boat moorings or not???? I always make sure I stay off jetties, fishing with soil/sand between my toes and respecting everyone one around me
Certainly havent enjoyed the way I have been treated in the past
jighead
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I've had a similar run in
I've had a similar run in with the same bloke. Seems he suffers from the same social disability as the guy on the canals.
Jackalchub
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What he doesnt understand is,
What he doesnt understand is, every log thrown into the water near his boat mooring just adds to the amount of the structure, which has a strong correlation for my wanting to cast near there.
Gotta feel for a bloke that has to walk 100m to throw a log into the water atleast twice a day.
jighead
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Obviously has nothing better
Obviously has nothing better to do. Sad really.
Meteorite
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Fair go
Should respect the guys property and leave him be, worked his ass off to buy a house on the canals - you have the whole state to fish in.
WSHN4FSHN
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I agree ^^^ if that was my
I agree ^^^ if that was my house I would be saying the same thing. Go and find another spot that isn't right at my back door. Legal rights or not if he doesn't want you there you should be courteous and find somewhere else!!
Burley it and they will come.
Septimus
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AGREE...
I absolutely agree with both Meteorite and Howa Hunter.
I wonder how agreeable YOU would be if the roles were reversed. Fucked if I'd put up with dickheads like you prancing around in my backyard - couldn't give a fuck how long you've "lived" in the area mate!!
jighead
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I don't think I would mind
I don't think I would mind at all if somebody turned up at the rivers edge and had a fish near my jetty if I had one. Especially if they were doing the righty by not prancing around and acting like dickheads. Sorry mate never been in his backyard just having a fish at the waters edge which belongs to everyone. Only casting near his jetty, not on it.
Rob H
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I cant quite work this out-he
I cant quite work this out-he has a jetty but its not on his land, its on public land?
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fishy fingers
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Yunderup
I think its like down yunderup way where you have a house on a street across the street is a bit of public land to the river bank and then a jetty but its not the home owners land but he pays for the jetty thats how i see it
Rob H
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not familiar with it but I
not familiar with it but I would imagine that assuming the jetty is legal then he must have some sort of hold over the land its on, if the owner cant control who goes on it then he cant be responsible (and hence cover it for public liability which would be a council prerequisite).
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Jackalchub
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Before you make the call on
Before you make the call on this one, go have a look at his situation. His house is at least 100m from the river and is separated from a road. If you think he owns the river, you are probably his neighbour. Have fun being a rich wanker.
Rob H
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Is his jetty on public land?
Is his jetty on public land? Sorry I dont live there so cant go and look but its a man made canal isnt it not a river?
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
meglodon
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You have hit the nail right on the head
You have hit the nail right on the head Rob H it's not a river it's a man made water way and some one has made it ,which has cost money and them that some one has sold it to some one who has paid a lot of money to be there. Whilst there may be public land and roads in between the house and the jetty, the piece of land that the jetty is attached to (and I bet) some of the canal is also owned by the house owner.
Some see it as a very sad state of affairs, others will see it as a just return for a lot of hard earn cash being paid for the privilege.
petermac
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i was nearly
I nearly bought a place in the canals in south yunderup wouldn't have bothered me if he fished around my jetty (as long as he gave me a big black bream that live there)
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Seems like the thing missing
Seems like the thing missing here is by the particpants is a bit of common courtesy and measured response.
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Farmer Brown
Much the same as a farmer catching someone pinching marron from his dam, I know if it was me I wouldn't be happy either.
Its a privilege he's paid big dollars for and someone is in effect stealing from him.
saltatrix
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Much the same as a farmer
Much the same as a farmer catching someone pinching marron from his dam, I know if it was me I wouldn't be happy either.
Its a privilege he's paid big dollars for and someone is in effect stealing from him.
The difference is the farmer only has to have purchased a breeding pair and your effectively stealing his livestock.
WA is quite unique in its riparian rights which in the past stated a person was allowed to pass through riparian zones and all fences must stay back 1 metre from the 'high' tide mark to allow passage of people.
The deal with yacht clubs is that they have lease for the 'stucture' which is 'members only'. Its very unfortunate that there is some quite agro club members around.
Ive had club staff & members try and run me over with their yachts under power and larger boats in the tinnie under power for fishing outside the club with a mouthful of abuse with it. Totally unprovoked attitude.
A mobile phone camera is about to change all this. I video it.
Usually I ask them to ring the police if I have an agro one. That usually settles them down.
Members dont have the right to tell you what to do. There is only one person that can do that and be sure to take their name and a photo, if they turn up in case it goes to court.
As for the canals, if the 'waterway' is owned by the home owners then the public wouldnt be permitted to pass by boat, insurance would be horrendous. In fact I doubt it be connected to the main waterway.
Each person that enters the canals would have to have boat insurance etc. Public liability on the house that owns the water rights would be crazy expensive.
As for Mr over the road, don't touch his jetty, don't stand on his jetty. Don't tie up or scrape mussels on their jetties or property as you can be done.
Obviously this information is loose and not legal advise. Obtain legal advise from a professional if you have an issue or concerns. It cant harm to have them call the police if they have a concern. They are not the police. Its not their job to police.
Ive been aggressively approached on several occasions in the past couple of years by people totally in the wrong. Mostly on beaches where people have self declared a no fishing zone. One bloke was right in my personal face trying to provoke a king hit.
Its an anti-fishing culture building fed by the Green groups. Luckily people have opened their eyes to the anti-freedoms of the Greens (fun police) and votes plummeted.
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Like I said , look at his
Like I said , look at his situation before you make the call. It is not a man made canal.. It is the Murray river. His jetty is on public land, this forum kills me these days.. So many bandwagon numpties. Catchya
saltatrix
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Probably trolls :) Theres
Probably trolls :)
Theres only a couple titles with ownership on beaches and I think they were titles of the Forrest family, Broome etc.
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mungus
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This thread got me curious,
This thread got me curious, so I looked at the Mandurah Canals on the Map Viewer on the Landgate website. It appears that the Canal home owners do own some of the water way. It looks to be pretty much up to where the jetties are.
marble
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Yep some canals the owners
Yep some canals the owners title does extend into the water and includes their jetty, the middle of the canal is public. They can ask you to leave, how they ask and how you respond is the issue really.
If you are a wanker and get abusive it just gives the anti fishing dickheads more ammo.
It seems to me the original poster was doing just that, going off half cocked because he didn't know what the situation is .
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jighead
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I'm getting sick of this.
I'm getting sick of this. Just having a quiet fish and hurting no body. But seems I was going off half cocked and being a dickhead. Are you sure you know what your on about mate. It's just common sense really. Not hurting anyone, what is the problem. Enough said.
marble
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Re read some of your comments
Re read some of your comments mate. You`ve banged on about rich c#$@%, how you`ve lived there for 30 years and no-one is going to tell you what to do, how you gave the bloke a bit etc etc . You`ve got on here and gone off on your little rant trying to bignote yourself and then spit the dummy when you get comments you don't like. Grow a bit thicker skin or don't start it is my advice .
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C.P
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Interesting comments
I assume by some of the comments that its OK to pull up other peoples cray pots too
If its not yours you should leave it the hell alone
saltatrix
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Yeah some of the cadstres
Yeah some of the cadstres goin into the water for jetty etc. Looks like, at a guess 4metres, probably for jettys so technically on those titles you cant trespass.
The rest is public.
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