Iron Ore Ships Killing sailfish again photos sat 05/05/12
Submitted by Mr Bigalow on Wed, 2012-05-09 12:12
More evidence.....
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BigV
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Cheeky buggers
Cheeky buggers
Always keen to fish
Mr Bigalow
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Wher are all the greeny's
Wher are all the greeny's when you want them!!!
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Mr Bigalow
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i hope they only had 3 hooks
i hope they only had 3 hooks on their bait jigs to start with.....
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Quobbarockhopper
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now its a pic with the boats
now its a pic with the boats name in it... bet nothing gets done about it even if you were to send it in though!
chris raff
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The first 5 Letters
is the reason nothing will be done ...you don't need to invade a country , to be able to dictate to a country
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kane
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thats bull@#$%! even if they
thats bull@#$%! even if they have their fishing licences etc it still gives me the @#$%^
Gooooone Fishin!
Pilbra Dave
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Makes me sick
Makes me sick
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crasny1
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bloody hell
They dont look like sailies, looks like black Marlin, but could be wrong. I have seen the lines, but havent seen a fish hauled on.
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UncutTriggerInWA
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So they caught a fish
Question is where? Chances are that fish would go to the mess and be served up as a delicacy. The guy who caught it probably got a bonus of 5 packs of ciggies LOL. Seriously, out there is it so bad that one fish is taken for food? I know we purists hate to see this but it does happen and is part of living at sea I guess. Maybe I am missing something here. Is there more to the story?
Vince.
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kane
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more to the story
its not 1 fish - its not even 1 fish per ship - its not even 1 fish per ship per day....
Gooooone Fishin!
mullows
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One fish ya reckon Vince. Up
One fish ya reckon Vince. Up to 20 boats at anchor most days (this is off Dampier..saw that boat on the weekend), each with plenty of lines hanging off the back and all doing the same thing. Thank Christ we don't all have that attitude.
I could almost guarantee that not one of those blokes has a fishing license, but thats okay is it. Reckon you would be one of the blokes that would crucify any local bloke given the chance if they did that or similar. If I could be bothered I am sure that somewhere in those 2171 posts you have made over the years you would have.
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Mullows
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crasny1
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Mullows for your info
Fisheries and customs are very aware of this, and when I had the public liasson officer in here (looks like a receptionist over there but isnt) we both rang the boss. Most Shipping agents now come in/or get over the net RecBoatFish licences for the crews of the ships that want to fish. He said not all, but most and they are continually educating the ship and agents. Customs do check the gallies to make sure they are safe, and report Fish to fisheries.
The attitude they have is wrong in our opinion, because we like to release stickies, but for them its just food, and their food budget is $5US a day. They are just trying to get some nice supplementary food, but despite this and like most on here I think it is shocking, and dont like it.
Neels
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Mr Bigalow
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Im all for wrapping the lines
Im all for wrapping the lines around my bollard did it the other day and got 3 handlines (well if you can call a coke bottle with line on it a handline..)
If we all dig in and do this its more then fisheries etc are doing...
For every sailifish/marlin life we save its one more our kids can catch and release.
FISH FOR THE FUTURE, STICK TO RICE YOU MONGERELS
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Brucesta
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i like your enthusiasm Bigs
i like your enthusiasm Bigs but if we start servering their lines just wait for them to drop their other anchor as you pass the front of their ship looking for bait or setting on us with water etc etc, could get nasty like the greenies protesting over the whales. I don't like it either but taking matters into our own hands won't help at all, i'm sure the skippers of the ore carriers aren't really that keen on 15 trailer boats around him where he can't see them if it's his turn to head into port we have all been within arms reach of the sides of these ships looking for bait before.
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mullows
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I will happily stand
I will happily stand corrected Neels if that is indeed the case. Don't have a problem with people eating one here and there, probably taste good at the smaller end of the scale. Not the issue.
I apologise to Vince here for my retort in making it personal, was not needed.
I will say that I am and was irritated by the apathy that it was/is just one fish. Pisses me off.
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UncutTriggerInWA
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I understand Mullows and thanks
The original post didn't provide enough info so I guess I shrug my shoulders at it. My post was not apathetic mate or at least not meant to be. I am as concerned about things as anybody but I do try to look at things in perspective. The Asian nations are forced to live through subsistence. While these guys are at sea they take advantage of the environment and live as best they can on what they are paid. If a feed is available at no cost then they will go for it. It's not right in our minds but they see things differently. Having said al of that.... Those Bastards!!! Taking our fish.
Vince.
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crasny1
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Certainly mate wasnt picking
But I was pretty pissed off at the initial post so decided to contact Fisheries and ask the question. They are aware off the problem and are educating the Agents/Captains etc about our rules. They cant go on the ships unless they are custom cleared, so customs check the freezers and notify if there appear to be a breach. After custom clearance they can go and inspect. I dont know whether they do or dont.
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crasny1
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But I do agree that the more we protest the more is heard
Even thought most have licences etc, and customs check, I dont like it. But the regulations are clear that you can take one stickface a day.
So they arent breaking the law, dut doing things we dont like (me personally hate). Im with brucesta, if we take to destroying peoples fishing gear then we are breaking the law, or will get retaliation. I know that I would go ballistic if someone walked up to me and broke one of my rods etc.
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dodgy
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Not to mention the federal
Not to mention the federal law you are breaking by being within 50m of an international vessel at anchor.....
Be careful what you wish for. It has the potential to get messy for a lot of different parties.
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stilly
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nothing wrong
i see only one fish being caught there, have absolutely no problem with anybody catching dinner for the crew onboard that is something different than the same old, you want to see rape an pilage spend a week on aussie run bloody slaughter ships.......i mean prawn boats
Mr Bigalow
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Plant the under my palm trees
well if thats the opinion i might kill a few to put under my palm trees im planting next weekend...
Imagine the uproar if this was happening down south to their precious dhu fish....
Struggling to understand that 50m law, Good luck enforcing it.. who had rego numbers on their boats these days anyhow
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Rob H
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the rules on approaching them
the rules on approaching them are to do with the fact that they arent customs/quarantine cleared.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
gee man
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Another point that people
Another point that people have missed, or didnt know is that the majority of people working offshore on Aussie projects or Aussie run vessels are not allowed to fish at all, no matter what waters they are in whether Australian or International. Partly because of do-gooder HSE rules nowadays, but also to protect the subsea assets that are down there which is fair enough at the costs involved. Just ask anyone who has ever worked on a rig or platform or dive/construction support vessel about the fish that live on and around the structures we create. Basically big artificial reefs that attract an amazing amount of sea creatures and we arent allowed to touch them.
I work in the oil and gas industry and have spent just enough time offshore to shed a tear at the images of fish living down there that you are not allowed to touch, no matter where you are. Yet these boats come in and anchor and the crews take the fish and customs is pretty much powerless to stop them. Its not right.
sea-kem
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Hey Gee man what rig and who
Hey Gee man what rig and who do you work for?
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bitten
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we use our ROV to find fish
we use our ROV to find fish then drop a line on them prety effective way of fishing
Vander72
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and do you know why
these guys on these ships do what they do......cause they can and they know they will get away with it..........i think there is a little bit of an over reaction by a lot of people..... while it might not be lawful or the right thing to do , it will happen regardless... these guys dont live here so they dont care... thats how it is.. something we just have to accept...... there is lots that goes on in this world and in australian waters... some we see or hear about or not at all... yeah you can jump and down about it and not like it but guess what...its life and thats the reality of it........ just be glad that you can still go out and catch a fish when you want... unlike these blokes who cant......
kane
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the reason these blokes can't
catch fish whenever they want is because they raped their own waters of everything and anything in it, so now they will happily do the same thing to our waters IF we let them.
boo hoo they earn no money you say, cry me a river, ive worked in asia for years in the marine industry, i have no sympathy, they earn enough to get by and i can tell you they earn a hell of alot more than most asians working as fisherman, on family farms, shops etc and also they absolutely do not need to catch fish at sea in order to eat!
also on another note im sure this environmental impact was not considered when rio tinto obtained the permits for their port operations. if by nothing else this complaining and hopefully soon media coverage will highlight this to stop it happening in other port operations like wheatstone barrow island etc etc
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Lastchance
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Damn right Kane. All of the
Damn right Kane. All of the hacks seem to forget what the point of the post is. Lucky this doesn't happen off Exmouth which is obviously more 'local' to everyone from Perth.
topperQ
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Agree with Vander
These poor shipmen have to stay on board for months on the ship and the food they have may prob be frozen or canned. They will feed on anything they catch, which is a good thing as at least the catch did not just get wasted. It just happens that this time, they caught something we consider as a trophy.
Take it easy people, there are worse out there which need our attention.
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gee man
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Sea-Kem, I work for Technip
Sea-Kem, I work for Technip looking after the ROV's. Perth based but I get out there every now and then. Was on the Venturer early last year out near the Cossack FPSO and saw some incredible Red Emperor, Trevally and Rankin Cod. Even pulled a big red snapper out of the thruster on the ROV one arvo.
sea-kem
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Ah That's cool. I do a lot of
Ah That's cool. I do a lot of contract work for Halliburton. Just came off the Jack Bates, have also worked on the Ocean America. I actually fabricated some valve ports for Woodside ROV guys a few years back on their Laminara project. That was when my involvement in oil and gas really took off. That was all done in the Expro w/shop in Canninvale. They have a 50T overhead crane there with a subsea tree house pit. Awesome gear to work on.
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Lastchance
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They are comparatively looked
They are comparatively looked after very well for what they actually do and what they get paid if they did the same job back home.
Up to 20 ships X 2+ billies and untold number of bottom fish a day X 2 weeks. Adds up pretty quick, and this is from a local who has seen it for years. Mr Bigalow is simply highlighting an issue in our backyard, one which we have endeavoured for a number of years to get clarity on.
And yes, the anchorages are actually on very good bottom ground. It may seem trivial to some, but not to all. A bit like your Demersal ban.
Looking forward to later in the year when you all start whining like little bitches again that you can't go and catch you bag of dhuies but the pros can......Blaaa, Blaaa, Blaaa.
Im going FIFO soon anyway, so I too will not care about happenings where I don't live.
bitten
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now thats livin barryif i was
now thats livin barry
if i was at anchor there i would catch em too
Mr Bigalow
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you would loose your handline
you would loose your handline if i was around
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bitten
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i would blow you away
i would blow you away with the rocket line launcher
Versus
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Having bag limits, size
Having bag limits, size restrictions and all the other fishing regulations etc that we are restricted by is probably a big part of the reason why we (and they) can even CATCH any fish.
If these guys are going by the same exact rules as us then sure there should be some leeway here. I dont know for sure but i reckon they dont give a stuff about bag limits or size restrictions. like gee man said, and from what ive heard form my brother and a couple others, most aussies arent allowed to fish off their work boats, fullstop. again, dunno for certain but i think it has to do with the commercial licence of the vessel, not just OHS. it would simply be too difficult to police all the boats, rigs etc out there.
my other brother, working on an occy boat, isnt allowed a single hook onboard due to fisheries regulations etc.
bitten
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is it such a bad thing for
is it such a bad thing for guys who fish regularly at home to be fishing off their work boats, if they regard all the rules, bag limits fishing liscenses etc. ????
i'm talking aussie guys not the forgein ships crew. which poses another question why havnt we got more aussie ships on the coast we have barely any, but this opens up a whole new topic of conversation
dan
fishabloke
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Sounds like they may be
Sounds like they may be international "shamateurs"??..be able to fill a big freezer and sell it to the Japs and others??
Septimus
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THIS SUCKS...
I know there are "fisheries" blokes that cruise this forum - it's about time they got off their asses, earned their keep, and sorted these pricks out!!??
Wafisho
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Wrong in every way fuck em
Wrong in every way fuck em all I say create a new reef sink a Chinese ship !!!!!!
born to fish forced to work !
hamo
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I'm pretty sure the
I'm pretty sure the estimation of the number of fish being taken is well and truely understated.
From Cape Preston to Port Headland I'm working on ships and boats quite regularly, It's no different to when I was living in Melbourne - Small or large, under or oversized it all gets eaten. Never once seen a fish thrown back.
Disgusting.