The more I watch it, the more I see no problem with the way the rod was being used. It should not have broken. Hopefully Daiwa see something in this. What do you tackleshop guys think?
My brother in law had the monster mesh and it broke just passed the middle on its first trip, Daiwa replaced it very quickly mabe there were some build issues. I would try , get in touch with Daiwa and see .
We were very conscious of the rod angle hence driving slowly around the fish keeping a good distance on it. Interesting that's another monster mesh break under normal use I've heard. Quite a few now. Fish was mid water, about 15m. Drag was tight but still pulled drag on runs.
Was it a two piece that joined at the foregrop? That's where it let go. No high sticking evident nor would you expect a break at that area anyway if you were. Strange indeed.
IMHO, I reckon there's too much throttle forward. (doesn't appear that slow in the vid).
This coupled with a near locked drag (cant hear any drag on gopro even with full volume, or see any line being taken), exerts just too much pressure and somethings gotta give. In this case it was the rod.
When changing the angle on a fish, unless using heavy 24-37kg gear, I wouldn't apply that much forward pressure.
Sorry to be a stick in the mud, but thats my view from looking at the vid.
The positive to take from this is that your knots were damn good!
Everyone I've spoken to and shown the vid to up here in Exmouth has said the rod should never of broken where it did. In response to Browny, all we were doing was circling the fish to keep a good angle on it. Would've been 2 Knots max, had quite a few fish sulking on us mid water the last week from Black Marlin to Yellow Fin Tuna and then this. Could have been a fish being sharked or a shark, guess we'll never know. Drag was not locked we did spend time retrieving line following whatever it was, but yes does prove I can tie a decent knot. Have sent Daiwa the vid so will see what they get back to me with.
Dont think I could ever convince the missus on another Stella.
On the up side, we did get 2 Black Marlin boat side on Monday with est weights of 250kgs each.
Hey Adam, reel was a TLD 50 on 24 kg mono. We were only calling it for a 150 kg est weight however the boys at Tackleworld and Luke ( the fella that has the sport fishing charter in the Contender) both called it for bigger fish. The second one was bigger but didn't get a snap of him as he through the hooks under the boat. Either way was an awesome experience to catch and successfully release such awesome fish.
I thought it was a bloody good rod too til this. Though on another note, was in Tackleworld Exmouth yesterday after this disaster and they had 2 Saltiga rods come back snapped. Not a great feeling especially when it's being used correctly.
ha - when trying to load the vid i accidently pressed the dislike button (tablet pc) so take it as being that i dislike the rod snapping and that i dont dislike your vid.
goodluck with daiwa - it's not good advertising, so hopefully they help you out...
That sux mate but i must say i kept clicking back to the snapping point and awww nooo!
As stated by some one above seems like you were shocked at the snap and then let go?
I know this wont make you feel any better and its off the point but a few days ago i helped my neighbour carry a jade table top worth $1200 up 5 flights of stairs at his house only to have it snap in half as we were taking the last step before putting it down.
Really feel for ya Wazza. Could almost feel the cold emptiness that would have sunk straight to your heart and choked your throat up the moment you realised(and you camera mate stated) its gone. I really hope something good might come from Daiwa, hell even if they give you a newer MM Max Rod it would be better than nothing.
I have often wondered with big fish on, with big drags and massive amounts of pressure, when fighting standup with spin gear is there possibly a need for lanyarding your rod and reel to yourself or the boat? Might seem ridiculous, or to much of a hassle and would get in the way but hey might be an option.
I know when i troll my big overhead big combos up north i tie them off to the boat on long lanyards(which i actually keep attached whilst fighting the fish standup, though will detach momentarily if required). Have even started lanyarding my beach combos to ground screws next to my rod pipe on the beaches after losing a rod and reel to god knows what in the night(probably a diiiirty stingray!)
Contact Paul from daiwa. Send him the vid and he'll most probably look after you. Had the same thing happen to my last saltiga coastal, and was replaced old for new. You'll find this is not just a daiwa thing. Can't think of many manufacturers not having a rod that's given in. Graphite can be a funny thing.
Lucky for me when the saltiga snapped it caught the braid saving my 3500 game. Only reels i've lost to the sea have been sent there by the mrs.
As much as the rod break hurts, its no where as bad as losing my prized hard earnt hard to convince my missus Stella. Even had the bling carbon fibre handle. Have sent Daiwa Aust the vid, so guess its wait and see now, though this may be my last Daiwa product.
Yeah we actually simulated the event this evening, and when the rod snaps just above the reel, the pull weight then moves from pulling down the rod to pulling the bottom section right out of your hands. I've always ( that only being the short while I've owned it) strapped the Stella to the boat with a lanyard when not firmly in my hands. My other mate has a new Monster Mesh max, and that will be going back to the shop too. Reel seat slips and spins on the blank. Pretty sure this higher end gear shouldn't fall to bits like that. Only minutes before it broke we were all commenting on how good the action of the rod was too. Very sad end thats for sure.
Always the case isnt it."Hey man this car runs really well..... Bang!!!!!", or " These things are indestructable........ snap". Thanks alot Murphy :(
Not good to hear about your MM Max rods. I have had a PE3-4 spin for a year now and have had no dramas at all, only tackled big sambos and Dhuis though, no BIG monsters or Noahs. And i just got my mate one a PE6-8 spin. Well hope both of our reel seats hold firm(especially mine as it over 12 months now).
My best mates Monster Mesh did exactly the same thing Wazza and in exactly the same place only difference is he never lost his reel. He went back to the boys at Bluewater asking them WTF turns out there was a fault with the mesh's but not all of them do it. He's since got one of the new blue and white models and hasn't had an issue. I own one of the older models too and haven't had a problem and touch wood I won't do.
Today Daiwa contacted me and said they'd replace the rod with a Demon Blood, however won't take responsibility for my Stella that was lost with it. Rang Consumer Protection and they said I had a case for loss by consequence with the failure of the rod. Really don't know what to do and how far to take it. Am I going to trust another Daiwa Rod with an expensive reel that I can't really afford anymore after saving so long just to own one and do some serious fishing. Did have Paul Worsteling ring me though offering to help. What a top bloke hey!
Take the new rod and get over it. I think they are being very generous. Rods are not indestructible and I would say you had given that a fair workout over a number of battles. You should also take some responsibility. Never seen a bloke throw his Stella over the side before. Lol.
looks like your shitty lure knot held the goods! hahaha. Thatd be why the line didnt break, a 50lb bimini to catspaw wind on. good luck breaking that one hahah
Personally I'd be pushing for compensation on the Stella also...Daiwa wouldn't like bad publicity on their gear on youtube you'd think and a replacement Saltiga is nothing to Daiwa....But that's me!!
At least they're replacing your rod though so that's a start but still you're still a top reel short. Can relate a couple of stories here on faulty gear but perhaps best not too..
On a side note I can recommend Jigging Master Titanium Evolution rods as something hard to beat....Have seen approx 160 deg bend in it and they're pretty hard to fault...
I bought the JM 150 PE 1-3 and also the Saltiga 62S. They're both excellent rods, yet I would have used the gold 150 Evolution 90% of the time on a recent trip to the Abrolhos Islands.
Bought it from Oceanside Tackle and as you're a FW member you'll get some sort of discount on the ticketed price Depends on what type of fishing and line class you want to run but the guys at Oceanside will steer you in the right direction.
This link shows the JM 150 Titanium Evolution in action at Abrolhos. It's a bloody brilliant rod but I'm biased in my assessment of it as I got a double header of coral trout on it!!!
The first pic shows the rod with a Stradic 5000 FJ matched to it...Brilliant combo for jigging all day!!
Just to confirm was it an original Monster Mesh or a Monster Mesh Max? I've heard lots of stories of the original Monster Mesh's having snapping problems down toward the butt section but this was corrected with the Max's.
I just bought a PE6-8 MM Max jig rod so I hope it holds up.
I also have the PE8 MM Max popping rod which whilst in Fiji managed to tear one of the bottom guides - on closer inspection it was hardly bound to the rod - the wrapping was defective. Pays to check things out closely.
That brought a tear to my eye. Just recently lost my beloved Stella SW8000 and Samurai jig overboard with a Noah. Should have placed the rod in a holder not beside me on the deck when I went for the leader. Shark kicked, leader slipped through my hand onto braid, ouch and behind my back overboard goes the rod and reel. Played aged state cricket at slip and even that was nowhere near fast enough reflexes to safe it.
On the upside, I am alive and fishing, and its just a rod and reel (but a $$$$ one).
Also with Monster Mesh rods I have 2 spin and one overhead. From Memory the same PE as yours, and we have monstered them (pun intended) on some nasty fish, and I rate them highly for strenght and feel. Using a MM now and its up there with the Samurai Jig10, just not nearly as nice to look at because the jig10 curves so well. There is nothing like a bend in the rod!!!!
If you get a replacement IMO you can trust it to put hurt on fish, and I suspect that it was a blank problem causing that. I have had plenty of rods snap (love to fish light and sporty) and normally a stressed rod cracks, then snap. That one just banged and was gone.
Should form the Fishwrecked Stella Looser's club!!!!!!!
Don't know why I should have to explain, but it wasn't like it was the cheapest, nastiest rod out. The Daiwa website claims that model Monster Mesh to be one of the Strongest most reliable jig/spin rod in their range. PE 3-6 rated rod with 50lb braid on it.
End of the day. it appears Daiwa have claimed responsibility for the rod by offering a replacement. It shouldn't have broken being used as intended and thats the facts. Yes I'm spewing I lost my Stella with it. Anyone would be, but I wouldn't have lost it if the rod held up whether it be a $200 rod or a $800 rod. BTW, 2 brand new Saltiga rods were broght back in to Bluewater Tackle Exmouth that same day snapped.
Was a new barely used rod so free from any abuse or misuse by myself. As far as letting go, it snapped above the top grip causing the pull direction to change from a downwards direction to pulling it out of (I'm gonna say it), my mates hands, after I handed my rod over to him after a tiresome fight. It does look like he does let go of it, but the pressure on the rod and line at the time of snapping sends him on his arse.
So yeah, a bit of bad luck on all counts. Daiwa are replacing the rod which im grateful for, so at this stage I'm back to saving for a new reel.
Both the angle change, and the bloody fright that sound would have caused would have caused anyone and everyone to drop it. Not the fishermans fault at all.
Sort of like a Moro reflexx you see in babies, with a fright our hands can automatically open anyway, and that noise would have scared anyone as it was so unexpected briefly.
On the butt end of that top grip might be a little metal ring, mostly for bling. Thought I would ask as this could cause a lever point higher up the rod and cause it to snap. It still should not have snapped though, just throwing out a theory.
IMO monster mesh is a fairly cheap rod....and umm you kinda get what you pay for....id reckon if you had of bought a better rod to start with youd still have your stella, now you have another cheap rod and have to fork out for a new stella, if you had of spent $600ish on a decent rod to start with youd have a decent rod and reel that would be a pleasure to use and last a very long time if not a lifetime.
Ohnestly not trying to be a tackle snob but you cant expect to cheap equipment to be able to do what top quality gear can.
Yeah, I can understand where your coming from, but I chose the Monster Mesh based on Daiwas reputation to make good rods. Even their website states that the Monster Mesh I had was one of their most reliable and strongest jig/spin rods. Big call by them! But yeah, it wasn't a $600 Smith or samurai or any one of those rods but it still shouldn't have snapped where it did under the pressure it was under, and I think Daiwa know that too. I have already mentioned it, but 2 new Saltiga rods were returned snapped that same day as well. They're $600 rods aren't they?
yeah theres 3 sides to every story... someones opinion, the other opinion and then theres the truth wonder how many rods are returned broken "after normal use" after a clumsy operator trips over on it or closes car door on it or tries to land a 200Lb marlin on a bream rod in 2 minutes flat etc
I just can't trust Daiwa gear any more, i've had 3 of their reels fail and a rod, now i've seen another rod go and i too own a MM in the PE1-3 spin range, i still love it but i'm not putting that much hurt on a fish either so i wouldn't expect a failure like yours. there's no metal winding check on mine either. Shimano or others for me from now on.
just out of intrest, what reels and rods from daiwa have failed you? and how have the reels failed?
i recently sent a saltiga 4000H back to daiwa because as soon as i tighten the drag just over half way, something pops, and you loose all drag, and also the drag clicker stopped working. but they fixed it all and i just recieved it back in the mail. so happy about that.
a Daiwa Teirra 4000 reel i had the bail arm assembly fail, fixed it with spares from Daiwa then failed again, spooled with 20lb braid which was on my monster mesh rod too. Team Daiwa SOL 2500 reel the spool warped and then the locking nut holding the handle in failed on a exmouth trip, 15lb braid on that and then a Daiwa Saltist 6500 i had the handle fall off mid fight on it's first use. last week i had my Team Daiwa SOL rod snap at the tip while casting a squid jig, it could of takena knock while in the rocket launchers that day and caused a weak spot but still not happy about it but i will repair/shorten it up regardless as i love that rod.
on the contrary never had a issue with any Shimano rod or reel i own and i have a few not all of it top end either so the cost thing is a bit irrelevent personally.
Hard luck mate. One of the boys had a brand new t-curve break just above the join when we were in exxy so it not limited to diawa. He spoke to the guys at tackleworld where it was purchased and i think they were gunna replace it for him ??
Just my opinion, but i still think its daiwa's fault that you lost your stella. I believe it is daiwas liability, and they should be responsible. i say this because if the rod hadn't failed, you would still have your reel. same concept, if toyota sold you a car with dodgy breaks, and you kill your passenger, wouldn't it be toyotas fault, and im sure by law there would be severe consequenses for toyota. i know it is two different severities, but it is the same principal right?
i reckon if you kick up a big enough of a stink with daiwa, you might get somewhere, but thats only if u have a bit of time on your hands.
Will wait to see if Daiwa do actually send the replacement Demon Blood as they have said they would, but will wait for that to arrive first. They have said they would call me and then I haven't heard from them, so will stay on their case. I'm not one for carrying on about it, but I'd still have my Stella if the rod didn't break.
if you want to pursut the case, then dont accept the DB as an acceptance of the DB might imply that you are happy with the result. just keep hammering daiwa. and as for the "Daiwa will call you back" you can expect to wait ages. i recently sent a saltiga back under warrantee and they said they'd call me back 3 times and didnt once. i had to call 'em everyday to check up on them. but i ended up getting my reel back, on time, all fixed, under warrantee. so i guess if u keep hammering them, they will do the right thing. just what i reckon.
Depending on when you bought it (has to be post Jan 2011) there might be recourse under the Australian Consumer Law:
"Consequential loss is the cost to you caused by a problem with goods or services. Compensation is usually for financial costs but can include other costs, such as lost time or productivity.
Example: A consumer’s washing machine breaks down due to a fault. As a result, there is water damage to carpet in part of the house. The supplier will be responsible for the cost of replacing the carpet damaged by flooding from the faulty washing machine."
Im looking at getting a stella. Thanks to this video, the stella will be leashed at all times! btw at least the marlin didnt stab u in the face like this guy (you tube video)
There's no point speculating on how/why the rod broke... we'll probably never know but it's good that Daiwa are replacing it anyway. I've seen a few rods break like this (including one myself personally) and I've never seen someone lose a reel like that... it really does look like the shock of it has caused him to let it go. Hard to say unless you're in the exact same situation though.
Wazza79
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Thoughts please?
The more I watch it, the more I see no problem with the way the rod was being used. It should not have broken. Hopefully Daiwa see something in this. What do you tackleshop guys think?
jono.s
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Man that really sucks ,
Man that really sucks , definatety shouldnt have broken , what kind of line and drag settings were you running ?
Wazza79
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50lb Line, 80lb Fluoro Leader
Drag got used appropriately, but line or knots should have gone before PE3-6 rod I would of thought.
snapper
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Is it a monster mesh or monster mesh max
My brother in law had the monster mesh and it broke just passed the middle on its first trip, Daiwa replaced it very quickly mabe there were some build issues. I would try , get in touch with Daiwa and see .
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woody
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were you putting some extra
were you putting some extra hurt on it by driving forward?? do you reckon that might have been a factor? still shouldnt have snapped but......
good ad for a reel leash?
grayzeee
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that's not good. the shock of
that's not good. the shock of it snapping made you let go. Do'h.
whats the story ? was a fish holed up in the reef and you were driving round for a different angle?
was the drag locked solid or was it giving line?
it's either manufacturing fault or rod previously damaged
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Wazza79
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Was a new old version black Monster Mesh
We were very conscious of the rod angle hence driving slowly around the fish keeping a good distance on it. Interesting that's another monster mesh break under normal use I've heard. Quite a few now. Fish was mid water, about 15m. Drag was tight but still pulled drag on runs.
Bunny
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Was it a two piece that
Was it a two piece that joined at the foregrop? That's where it let go. No high sticking evident nor would you expect a break at that area anyway if you were. Strange indeed.
Browny
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IMHO, I reckon there's too
IMHO, I reckon there's too much throttle forward. (doesn't appear that slow in the vid).
This coupled with a near locked drag (cant hear any drag on gopro even with full volume, or see any line being taken), exerts just too much pressure and somethings gotta give. In this case it was the rod.
When changing the angle on a fish, unless using heavy 24-37kg gear, I wouldn't apply that much forward pressure.
Sorry to be a stick in the mud, but thats my view from looking at the vid.
The positive to take from this is that your knots were damn good!
I just love Exmouth: Its a quaint little drinking town with a fishing problem!
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too soon?
ahahaa too soon to be making jokes
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kane
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rofpmswlmfao
Send that video into funniest home videos mate, I reckon you'll win enough cash to buy 10 Stella's
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been using the same set up for
years on some big fish, alls been good,luv it
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
Longcast
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Waza you should post a poll
Waza you should post a poll on who has seen or broken a monster mesh I think you will be suprised.
Wazza79
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Cheers for your comments fellas.
Everyone I've spoken to and shown the vid to up here in Exmouth has said the rod should never of broken where it did. In response to Browny, all we were doing was circling the fish to keep a good angle on it. Would've been 2 Knots max, had quite a few fish sulking on us mid water the last week from Black Marlin to Yellow Fin Tuna and then this. Could have been a fish being sharked or a shark, guess we'll never know. Drag was not locked we did spend time retrieving line following whatever it was, but yes does prove I can tie a decent knot. Have sent Daiwa the vid so will see what they get back to me with.
Dont think I could ever convince the missus on another Stella.
On the up side, we did get 2 Black Marlin boat side on Monday with est weights of 250kgs each.
Cheers
Wazza
dodgy
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250kg each? Thats some of the
250kg each? Thats some of the best black marlin fishing ive heard of in WA yet.....
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Wazza79
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Here's the link to the first ones run mate!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOjzjjdIsms&sns=em
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You mean
Hi Wazza,
I think you mean 250 pound, even that is pretty generous. Looking at that vid id say 70kg, vids are decieving but theres no way thats 250kg.
What gear was that caught on, sounds like a tyrnos?
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Wazza79
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Marlin
Hey Adam, reel was a TLD 50 on 24 kg mono. We were only calling it for a 150 kg est weight however the boys at Tackleworld and Luke ( the fella that has the sport fishing charter in the Contender) both called it for bigger fish. The second one was bigger but didn't get a snap of him as he through the hooks under the boat. Either way was an awesome experience to catch and successfully release such awesome fish.
Cheers
Wazza
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Luke? Eddy? The boys at blue
Luke? Eddy?
The boys at blue water weren't trying to sell an 80w at the time were they.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
katsy85
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Damn! Just bought that exact
Damn! Just bought that exact rod! I prob shouldn't be so tight and got the demon blood
Wazza79
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Monster Mesh
I thought it was a bloody good rod too til this. Though on another note, was in Tackleworld Exmouth yesterday after this disaster and they had 2 Saltiga rods come back snapped. Not a great feeling especially when it's being used correctly.
scottbec
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ha - when trying to load the
ha - when trying to load the vid i accidently pressed the dislike button (tablet pc) so take it as being that i dislike the rod snapping and that i dont dislike your vid.
goodluck with daiwa - it's not good advertising, so hopefully they help you out...
Wazza79
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No worries
Cheers!
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If the drag is giving, it
If the drag is giving, it doesn;t matter if you drive the boat or give it a yank, its still going to give line.
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not good at all. cant see
not good at all. cant see any prob the way you handled it. the line should have given way well before the rod.
as said funniest home video. you never know your luck. plenty of fioshos out there could relate to the situation.
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Righteo
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Awww Noooo
That sux mate but i must say i kept clicking back to the snapping point and awww nooo!
As stated by some one above seems like you were shocked at the snap and then let go?
I know this wont make you feel any better and its off the point but a few days ago i helped my neighbour carry a jade table top worth $1200 up 5 flights of stairs at his house only to have it snap in half as we were taking the last step before putting it down.
Here we go again.
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Really feel for ya Wazza.
Really feel for ya Wazza. Could almost feel the cold emptiness that would have sunk straight to your heart and choked your throat up the moment you realised(and you camera mate stated) its gone. I really hope something good might come from Daiwa, hell even if they give you a newer MM Max Rod it would be better than nothing.
I have often wondered with big fish on, with big drags and massive amounts of pressure, when fighting standup with spin gear is there possibly a need for lanyarding your rod and reel to yourself or the boat? Might seem ridiculous, or to much of a hassle and would get in the way but hey might be an option.
I know when i troll my big overhead big combos up north i tie them off to the boat on long lanyards(which i actually keep attached whilst fighting the fish standup, though will detach momentarily if required). Have even started lanyarding my beach combos to ground screws next to my rod pipe on the beaches after losing a rod and reel to god knows what in the night(probably a diiiirty stingray!)
macca85
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Contact Paul from daiwa.
Contact Paul from daiwa. Send him the vid and he'll most probably look after you. Had the same thing happen to my last saltiga coastal, and was replaced old for new. You'll find this is not just a daiwa thing. Can't think of many manufacturers not having a rod that's given in. Graphite can be a funny thing.
Lucky for me when the saltiga snapped it caught the braid saving my 3500 game. Only reels i've lost to the sea have been sent there by the mrs.
Wazza79
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Cheers macca
As much as the rod break hurts, its no where as bad as losing my prized hard earnt hard to convince my missus Stella. Even had the bling carbon fibre handle. Have sent Daiwa Aust the vid, so guess its wait and see now, though this may be my last Daiwa product.
jezza24
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Bad luck wazzaDoesn't look
Bad luck wazza
Doesn't look you you did anything wrong mate hopefully Diawa will look after you. Can't wait to see some pics when you get back.
Cheers
Jeremy
Wazza79
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Cheers Buz
Yeah we actually simulated the event this evening, and when the rod snaps just above the reel, the pull weight then moves from pulling down the rod to pulling the bottom section right out of your hands. I've always ( that only being the short while I've owned it) strapped the Stella to the boat with a lanyard when not firmly in my hands. My other mate has a new Monster Mesh max, and that will be going back to the shop too. Reel seat slips and spins on the blank. Pretty sure this higher end gear shouldn't fall to bits like that. Only minutes before it broke we were all commenting on how good the action of the rod was too. Very sad end thats for sure.
Buz
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Always the case isnt it."Hey
Always the case isnt it."Hey man this car runs really well..... Bang!!!!!", or " These things are indestructable........ snap". Thanks alot Murphy :(
Not good to hear about your MM Max rods. I have had a PE3-4 spin for a year now and have had no dramas at all, only tackled big sambos and Dhuis though, no BIG monsters or Noahs. And i just got my mate one a PE6-8 spin. Well hope both of our reel seats hold firm(especially mine as it over 12 months now).
West Coast
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Classic
Don't take this the wrong way - but that video is gold. Still laughing. Sorry for your loss. But cop it on the chin. Rods can only take so much.
madfisher
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My best mates Monster Mesh
My best mates Monster Mesh did exactly the same thing Wazza and in exactly the same place only difference is he never lost his reel. He went back to the boys at Bluewater asking them WTF turns out there was a fault with the mesh's but not all of them do it. He's since got one of the new blue and white models and hasn't had an issue. I own one of the older models too and haven't had a problem and touch wood I won't do.
Wazza79
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Def a problem with them!
Today Daiwa contacted me and said they'd replace the rod with a Demon Blood, however won't take responsibility for my Stella that was lost with it. Rang Consumer Protection and they said I had a case for loss by consequence with the failure of the rod. Really don't know what to do and how far to take it. Am I going to trust another Daiwa Rod with an expensive reel that I can't really afford anymore after saving so long just to own one and do some serious fishing. Did have Paul Worsteling ring me though offering to help. What a top bloke hey!
MattMiller
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Honestly
i'd take whatever you can get without getting too fired up and possibly getting nothing.
From all reports Demon Bloods are great rods so I wouldn't expect another failure.
I'd sit tight and wait to see what CP can help you with and who knows what Worsteling might do???
Leemo
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Date Joined: 22/02/07
definitely rate Demon
definitely rate Demon Bloods, never seen one break.
bludgin' since 94'
Dizzy
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Date Joined: 21/02/11
Agree, got 3 and love them.
Agree, got 3 and love them.
boonmack
Posts: 69
Date Joined: 31/07/11
man that vid made my heart
man that vid made my heart sink,
looks like you were about to jump in after it.
l
wish I was fishing
West Coast
Posts: 332
Date Joined: 10/12/07
Move on
Take the new rod and get over it. I think they are being very generous. Rods are not indestructible and I would say you had given that a fair workout over a number of battles. You should also take some responsibility. Never seen a bloke throw his Stella over the side before. Lol.
Nelly
Posts: 518
Date Joined: 04/05/08
Very lucky to get warranty i
Very lucky to get warranty i think,Rod looks overloaded to me running a fair bit of drag to get thrown off balance when it snaps !
Leemo
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Date Joined: 22/02/07
unfortunately, i have to
unfortunately, i have to agree......
bludgin' since 94'
Faulkner Family
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Date Joined: 11/03/08
if it was too overloaded ,
if it was too overloaded , the 50lb line or a knot should have gone first. not the rod. imo
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
Leemo
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Date Joined: 22/02/07
you can overload a rod
you can overload a rod without breaking the line. I dont know what knot/leader he was running, so i cant say for sure.
bludgin' since 94'
Wazza79
Posts: 315
Date Joined: 23/05/11
Line & leader
Was using 50 lb braid Bimini'd to a cats pawed 80lb wind on leader tied onto a 80 lb patenoster via a shitty lure knot.
Leemo
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looks like your shitty lure
looks like your shitty lure knot held the goods! hahaha. Thatd be why the line didnt break, a 50lb bimini to catspaw wind on. good luck breaking that one hahah
bludgin' since 94'
fingermark
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Date Joined: 03/02/12
Unlucky Wazza...real unlucky!!
Unlucky Wazza...real unlucky!!
Personally I'd be pushing for compensation on the Stella also...Daiwa wouldn't like bad publicity on their gear on youtube you'd think and a replacement Saltiga is nothing to Daiwa....But that's me!!
At least they're replacing your rod though so that's a start but still you're still a top reel short.
Can relate a couple of stories here on faulty gear but perhaps best not too..
On a side note I can recommend Jigging Master Titanium Evolution rods as something hard to beat....Have seen approx 160 deg bend in it and they're pretty hard to fault...
Nice marlin too btw..
Cheers.
Septimus
Posts: 146
Date Joined: 14/11/10
EVOLUTION RODS
Hey Fingermark,
I'm looking for a good rod - which model Evolution do you have and what am I going to have to cough up for one?
Thanks mate.
fingermark
Posts: 31
Date Joined: 03/02/12
Hey Septimus
Hey Septimus,
I bought the JM 150 PE 1-3 and also the Saltiga 62S. They're both excellent rods, yet I would have used the gold 150 Evolution 90% of the time on a recent trip to the Abrolhos Islands.
Bought it from Oceanside Tackle and as you're a FW member you'll get some sort of discount on the ticketed price
Depends on what type of fishing and line class you want to run but the guys at Oceanside will steer you in the right direction.
Link below on the rods.
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/jigging-master-evolution-titanium-rods-have-finally-arrived-plus-more
This link shows the JM 150 Titanium Evolution in action at Abrolhos.
It's a bloody brilliant rod but I'm biased in my assessment of it as I got a double header of coral trout on it!!!
The first pic shows the rod with a Stradic 5000 FJ matched to it...Brilliant combo for jigging all day!!
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/abrolhos-islands-fishing-trip
mrbishi
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Date Joined: 28/04/12
That's a real bugger and I
That's a real bugger and I feel for you mate :(
Just to confirm was it an original Monster Mesh or a Monster Mesh Max? I've heard lots of stories of the original Monster Mesh's having snapping problems down toward the butt section but this was corrected with the Max's.
I just bought a PE6-8 MM Max jig rod so I hope it holds up.
I also have the PE8 MM Max popping rod which whilst in Fiji managed to tear one of the bottom guides - on closer inspection it was hardly bound to the rod - the wrapping was defective. Pays to check things out closely.
Wazza79
Posts: 315
Date Joined: 23/05/11
Original Monster Mesh
With the sic guides.
TheJettyRat
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Date Joined: 02/03/12
Crying shame that. You should
Crying shame that. You should have brought a Terez to go owth the Stella :P
Leemo
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I dont rate the Terez sticks.
I dont rate the Terez sticks. much rather go with a demon blood for the same price range.
bludgin' since 94'
crasny1
Posts: 7013
Date Joined: 16/10/08
Wazza
That brought a tear to my eye. Just recently lost my beloved Stella SW8000 and Samurai jig overboard with a Noah. Should have placed the rod in a holder not beside me on the deck when I went for the leader. Shark kicked, leader slipped through my hand onto braid, ouch and behind my back overboard goes the rod and reel. Played aged state cricket at slip and even that was nowhere near fast enough reflexes to safe it.
On the upside, I am alive and fishing, and its just a rod and reel (but a $$$$ one).
Also with Monster Mesh rods I have 2 spin and one overhead. From Memory the same PE as yours, and we have monstered them (pun intended) on some nasty fish, and I rate them highly for strenght and feel. Using a MM now and its up there with the Samurai Jig10, just not nearly as nice to look at because the jig10 curves so well. There is nothing like a bend in the rod!!!!
If you get a replacement IMO you can trust it to put hurt on fish, and I suspect that it was a blank problem causing that. I have had plenty of rods snap (love to fish light and sporty) and normally a stressed rod cracks, then snap. That one just banged and was gone.
Should form the Fishwrecked Stella Looser's club!!!!!!!
Neels
Might just add that to my signaure
"I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact!!" _ Elon Musk
Leemo
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loser** ;)
loser** ;)
bludgin' since 94'
crasny1
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I know
Not a cool feeling to be a stella looser.
"I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact!!" _ Elon Musk
Jeffree
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Date Joined: 23/02/11
i think leemo is trying to
i think leemo is trying to say you have spelt loser wrong in ur signature :)
not all asians keep undersize fish.
Batty
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Date Joined: 24/11/10
$200 rod
$200 rod, $900 reel ?
Lifes a game but fishing is serious !!!
Leemo
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Date Joined: 22/02/07
i know people who run a
i know people who run a saltiga z4500 on a pflueger contender jig rod, and it runs better than higher end combos!
bludgin' since 94'
Wazza79
Posts: 315
Date Joined: 23/05/11
Regardless??
Don't know why I should have to explain, but it wasn't like it was the cheapest, nastiest rod out. The Daiwa website claims that model Monster Mesh to be one of the Strongest most reliable jig/spin rod in their range. PE 3-6 rated rod with 50lb braid on it.
End of the day. it appears Daiwa have claimed responsibility for the rod by offering a replacement. It shouldn't have broken being used as intended and thats the facts. Yes I'm spewing I lost my Stella with it. Anyone would be, but I wouldn't have lost it if the rod held up whether it be a $200 rod or a $800 rod. BTW, 2 brand new Saltiga rods were broght back in to Bluewater Tackle Exmouth that same day snapped.
Wafisho
Posts: 120
Date Joined: 16/05/12
Simmano T curve 24kg awesome
Simmano T curve 24kg awesome rod stops anything from the pelagics to the bottom dwellers
born to fish forced to work !
junglejigger
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Date Joined: 28/04/11
the idea is not to let go of the rod.
Id understand if the reel seat broke off and the reel stripped all the eyes off the rod, then its daiwas fault build quality being the problem etc.
you could have knocked your rod also causing a fracture in the carbon/graphite blank.
little pointer for next time, dont let go.
Wazza79
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Date Joined: 23/05/11
Cheers for the pointer!
Was a new barely used rod so free from any abuse or misuse by myself. As far as letting go, it snapped above the top grip causing the pull direction to change from a downwards direction to pulling it out of (I'm gonna say it), my mates hands, after I handed my rod over to him after a tiresome fight. It does look like he does let go of it, but the pressure on the rod and line at the time of snapping sends him on his arse.
So yeah, a bit of bad luck on all counts. Daiwa are replacing the rod which im grateful for, so at this stage I'm back to saving for a new reel.
Cheers
Leemo
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Date Joined: 22/02/07
yeah, i was gonna say, i
yeah, i was gonna say, i dont think even Mike Hussey could keep a hold of that one!
bludgin' since 94'
crasny1
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Im with you on this one
Both the angle change, and the bloody fright that sound would have caused would have caused anyone and everyone to drop it. Not the fishermans fault at all.
Sort of like a Moro reflexx you see in babies, with a fright our hands can automatically open anyway, and that noise would have scared anyone as it was so unexpected briefly.
"I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact!!" _ Elon Musk
Wazza79
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Date Joined: 23/05/11
Cheers crasny!
Def a tricky one to hold on to.
Bunny
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Hey mate just wondering, did
Hey mate just wondering, did it have a metal winding check on the fore grip?
Wazza79
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Date Joined: 23/05/11
Not sure what ya mean ?
Just the mat finish on the blank where it slotted into the butt top grip is all I remember.
Bunny
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Date Joined: 05/08/10
On the butt end of that top
On the butt end of that top grip might be a little metal ring, mostly for bling. Thought I would ask as this could cause a lever point higher up the rod and cause it to snap. It still should not have snapped though, just throwing out a theory.
kane
Posts: 1752
Date Joined: 07/12/08
monster mesh
Trying to find a way to put this across nicely
IMO monster mesh is a fairly cheap rod....and umm you kinda get what you pay for....id reckon if you had of bought a better rod to start with youd still have your stella, now you have another cheap rod and have to fork out for a new stella, if you had of spent $600ish on a decent rod to start with youd have a decent rod and reel that would be a pleasure to use and last a very long time if not a lifetime.
Ohnestly not trying to be a tackle snob but you cant expect to cheap equipment to be able to do what top quality gear can.
Gooooone Fishin!
till
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Date Joined: 21/02/08
I totally disagree. Cheaper
I totally disagree.
Cheaper doesn't imply weaker, it just may not have as good guides or action. In fact, quite a few higher end rods need more babying than cheaper gear.
grayzeee
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Date Joined: 09/07/09
Get yourself an ugly
Get yourself an ugly stick.
"bends right round on itself"
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
kane
Posts: 1752
Date Joined: 07/12/08
yes
the original ugly stik were amazing, not so sure about the new ones
Gooooone Fishin!
kane
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Date Joined: 07/12/08
Your entitled to your opinion till
Obviously this cheaper rod snapped, where as I've never had a good quality daiwa or smith rod break. Proofs in the pudding I reckon ;-)
Gooooone Fishin!
Wazza79
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Date Joined: 23/05/11
Fair opinion mate
Yeah, I can understand where your coming from, but I chose the Monster Mesh based on Daiwas reputation to make good rods. Even their website states that the Monster Mesh I had was one of their most reliable and strongest jig/spin rods. Big call by them! But yeah, it wasn't a $600 Smith or samurai or any one of those rods but it still shouldn't have snapped where it did under the pressure it was under, and I think Daiwa know that too. I have already mentioned it, but 2 new Saltiga rods were returned snapped that same day as well. They're $600 rods aren't they?
kane
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Date Joined: 07/12/08
saltigas
yeah theres 3 sides to every story... someones opinion, the other opinion and then theres the truth
wonder how many rods are returned broken "after normal use" after a clumsy operator trips over on it or closes car door on it or tries to land a 200Lb marlin on a bream rod in 2 minutes flat etc 
Gooooone Fishin!
Brucesta
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Date Joined: 29/05/09
I just can't trust Daiwa gear
I just can't trust Daiwa gear any more, i've had 3 of their reels fail and a rod, now i've seen another rod go and i too own a MM in the PE1-3 spin range, i still love it but i'm not putting that much hurt on a fish either so i wouldn't expect a failure like yours. there's no metal winding check on mine either. Shimano or others for me from now on.
Las Vegas - Rolling the dice and trying your luck. 1M+ Barra summer target. 100kg Black Marlin winter target
Jeffree
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Date Joined: 23/02/11
just out of intrest, what
just out of intrest, what reels and rods from daiwa have failed you? and how have the reels failed?
i recently sent a saltiga 4000H back to daiwa because as soon as i tighten the drag just over half way, something pops, and you loose all drag, and also the drag clicker stopped working. but they fixed it all and i just recieved it back in the mail. so happy about that.
not all asians keep undersize fish.
Brucesta
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Date Joined: 29/05/09
a Daiwa Teirra 4000 reel i
a Daiwa Teirra 4000 reel i had the bail arm assembly fail, fixed it with spares from Daiwa then failed again, spooled with 20lb braid which was on my monster mesh rod too. Team Daiwa SOL 2500 reel the spool warped and then the locking nut holding the handle in failed on a exmouth trip, 15lb braid on that and then a Daiwa Saltist 6500 i had the handle fall off mid fight on it's first use. last week i had my Team Daiwa SOL rod snap at the tip while casting a squid jig, it could of takena knock while in the rocket launchers that day and caused a weak spot but still not happy about it but i will repair/shorten it up regardless as i love that rod.
on the contrary never had a issue with any Shimano rod or reel i own and i have a few not all of it top end either so the cost thing is a bit irrelevent personally.
Las Vegas - Rolling the dice and trying your luck. 1M+ Barra summer target. 100kg Black Marlin winter target
SABRE
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Hard luck mate. One of the
Hard luck mate. One of the boys had a brand new t-curve break just above the join when we were in exxy so it not limited to diawa. He spoke to the guys at tackleworld where it was purchased and i think they were gunna replace it for him ??
If fishing is a sport I,m an elite athlete
Jeffree
Posts: 489
Date Joined: 23/02/11
Just my opinion, but i still
Just my opinion, but i still think its daiwa's fault that you lost your stella. I believe it is daiwas liability, and they should be responsible. i say this because if the rod hadn't failed, you would still have your reel. same concept, if toyota sold you a car with dodgy breaks, and you kill your passenger, wouldn't it be toyotas fault, and im sure by law there would be severe consequenses for toyota. i know it is two different severities, but it is the same principal right?
i reckon if you kick up a big enough of a stink with daiwa, you might get somewhere, but thats only if u have a bit of time on your hands.
not all asians keep undersize fish.
Wazza79
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Date Joined: 23/05/11
Yes, I'm on the same train of thought.
Will wait to see if Daiwa do actually send the replacement Demon Blood as they have said they would, but will wait for that to arrive first. They have said they would call me and then I haven't heard from them, so will stay on their case. I'm not one for carrying on about it, but I'd still have my Stella if the rod didn't break.
Cheers Jeffree.
Jeffree
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Date Joined: 23/02/11
if you want to pursut the
if you want to pursut the case, then dont accept the DB as an acceptance of the DB might imply that you are happy with the result. just keep hammering daiwa. and as for the "Daiwa will call you back" you can expect to wait ages. i recently sent a saltiga back under warrantee and they said they'd call me back 3 times and didnt once. i had to call 'em everyday to check up on them. but i ended up getting my reel back, on time, all fixed, under warrantee. so i guess if u keep hammering them, they will do the right thing. just what i reckon.
not all asians keep undersize fish.
Ben Derecki
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Depending on when you bought
Depending on when you bought it (has to be post Jan 2011) there might be recourse under the Australian Consumer Law:
"Consequential loss is the cost to you caused by a problem with goods or services. Compensation is usually for financial costs but can include other costs, such as lost time or productivity.
Example: A consumer’s washing machine breaks down due to a fault. As a result, there is water damage to carpet in part of the house. The supplier will be responsible for the cost of replacing the carpet damaged by flooding from the faulty washing machine."
Source: http://tiny.cc/7wsqew
It could be worth a call to Consumer Protection?
Wazza79
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Cheers Ben!
Yeah have looked into it.
West Coast
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Date Joined: 10/12/07
'Not one for carrying on about it'
I would hate to see it if you did carry on about it!!
Wazza79
Posts: 315
Date Joined: 23/05/11
Haha
Yeah, that would be bad! Obviously sparked some interest with everyone though. That is what forums are for isn't it?
trav32
Posts: 95
Date Joined: 20/01/12
Im looking at getting a
Im looking at getting a stella. Thanks to this video, the stella will be leashed at all times! btw at least the marlin didnt stab u in the face like this guy (you tube video)
http://tinyurl.com/bowpzog
jay_burgess
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Date Joined: 18/08/05
There's no point speculating
There's no point speculating on how/why the rod broke... we'll probably never know but it's good that Daiwa are replacing it anyway. I've seen a few rods break like this (including one myself personally) and I've never seen someone lose a reel like that... it really does look like the shock of it has caused him to let it go. Hard to say unless you're in the exact same situation though.