Busted by Fisheries,,, Vic
Submitted by chris raff on Thu, 2012-11-01 20:15
Just a little greedy...hows the 10 bag limit and 28cm minimum
http://www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Fishing/VIC-Two-huge-illegal-snapper-hauls-uncovered_6015592.aspx
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Georgejungle
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Those fish are so small you
Those fish are so small you would have to wonder why they would take such a risk. Darwins theory of evolution ......
Faulkner Family
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just throw the book at em,
just throw the book at em, and make it a huge one. makes me sick to see that sort of thing
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
grantarctic1
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Hope they
Hope they get their Winnebago's taken off them . Poor form from a couple of elder fellows,
randall df223
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confiscate boat, and every
confiscate boat, and every thing on it, trailer, as it got the boat to the ramp and car as it towed boat to ramp...perhaps even the driveway the boat is stowed in. they can keep ten @ 28cm, AND they still abuse it FFS!
Fish! HARD!
sea-kem
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Jesus Christ that is un
Jesus Christ that is un f&^^%ng believable from older blokes. Yep bookem Danno
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meglodon
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greed and greedy old farts
it's things like this that make you want to bring back the stocks. These old fools know what limits are they are just greedy nasty bastards,take the boat car trailer house freezaer and give them a huge fine with no time to pay. If they don't care about future generations of fishermen then why should responsable people care about them
TheJettyRat
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I am glad they were caught,
I am glad they were caught, as someone who always sticks to the rules this kind of douchbag fishing makes me quite angry. Throw the book at the hard I say.
Browndog
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98%
Makes me sick seeing this, and does nothing for the image of recreational fishers. Sad thing is 90% (probably even higher among forum members) are doing the right thing, but this is the image that makes it to the newspapers and 6.00pm news bulletins.
Yep, throw the book at them.
BD.
pale ale
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Deport them!!
Deport them!!
alfred
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Where to? I understand they
Where to? I understand they are Australian.
pale ale
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I dont care where!
I dont care where! Afganistan will do.
There is no place in Australia for people like these bastards who deliberately break the law!
alfred
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Problem is no country will
Problem is no country will want people like that. Large fine per fish and make it payable over time if they cant pay upfront, this way they will remember it longer.
pale ale
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Which opens another can of
Which opens another can of worms....
We dont want criminal illegals entering Australia either, but they are coming in boat loads!
till
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Geez mate, willl you just get
Geez mate, willl you just get over the boats?
Blah blah blah deport them boats this some other crap.
*YAWN*
pale ale
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Bit hard to "Get over it",
Bit hard to "Get over it", when we are reminded every single day that another 100 freeloaders are here expecting to get their house, medical, tv, internet, xbox and cash.
I work long hours in the Pilbara heat. I pay a shit load of tax, and dont like the way Labor are handing it out to every useless freeloader on the planet.
My grandparents, and other pensioners who worked for years, fought for this country and made this country great. They are now dismayed at the way we are headed. Some of our oldies cant afford their medication, or are struggling to even keep warm in winter, yet we have $billions to hand out to every other country in the world.
Assholes (arseholes)?
alfred
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What's boat people got to do
What's boat people got to do with Aussies with no decency?
Versus
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wonder if Pale Ale has a
wonder if Pale Ale has a southern cross tatt?
Garrett
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This government isn't giving
This government isn't giving anything more to refugees than any other government has in the past.
As for them getting cash, internet, xboxs, blah blah that's all bullshit as well.
As much as people smuggling gives me the shits, and the increase in refugees bothers me as well, you need to stop listening to what Today Tonight and ACA tell you about detention centres.
Yeah they cost a lot of money to run, but none of it goes to the people in them.
And yeah it still has bugger all to do with some old f*ckers completely pissing all over the rules.
Nauti Buoy
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haha
Tasmania!
carnarvonite
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Poddy / sand whiting
Was stopping in a caravan park in Yeppoon a few years back and there was a crew stopping in the next bay who said they came up every year for the whiting run. Curious I asked to see their ctach, poddy whiting about 4-5 ins long and hundreds of the buggers. [no limits on them]
They went out every day and got 4-5 hundred, cleaned them and froze them to take back south with them. They were like a sausage, once you gut them there's nothing left but these people were thrilled to bits that they could and did do this rape and pillaging legally.
As for the Victorian snapper rapists, chuck the book at them--make sure its the biggest book possible and that it doesn't miss its target.
speedgull
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Real Personal Consequences
Heard a story about a bloke from Collie who was busted by Fisheries, as a result of initial search they expanded their investigation and searched his home which turned up significant violations (number of freezers full). After prosecution, the fines etc were significant to the effect that he lost his home, boat and car, then his marriage.
Not sure how true but person who told story was not someone to make it up.
carnarvonite
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Collie
Collie is only the polite name for the town, its proper name is Poacherville, with a local member of parliament who has been caught with cackers, sets the example for everyone one else there.
Been some major busts done by fisheries in the town for marron, abalone [lots] crays, you name it.
The one that comes to mind was when two blokes had caravans, 4x4s and boats in Augusta and Hamelin bay , they would dive at each spot every day for their bag limit of abs and crays then cart it back to Collie for their buyer to collect. I was at Hamelin when they did the raid and caught them in the act, cars, cops, fisheries everywhere, it was like you see on TV as a major drug bust. They lost evrything, 3 4x4s, 2 boats , 2 caravans , 2 houses plus huge fines
Buz
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Hahahaha the old CO on their
Hahahaha the old CO on their number plates................Crustacean Offenders!!!!! :-P
Garrett
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One can hope it was true.
One can hope it was true.
SABRE
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Book em
Yep book em danno, no place for that crap anymore. Older guys especially should know better
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johno
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Reading it made me feel
Reading it made me feel sick.. that is so wrong... definately hinding your catch? why are some people so stupid and have a no care attitude!
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Versus
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Stick each fish up their ass,
Stick each fish up their ass, backwards.
uncle
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unbeilvable that this shit happens
theres some real class acts among us I,m sorry to say, good on the fisheries for doing a full seach, throw the book at them,bugger they wern't pies supporters were they???
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
chris raff
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Here's the fine
just done a quick google found the fine for one of them
http://www.fishingboating-world.com/Melbourne-man-convicted-and-fined-for-illegal-snapper-haul/101448
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dkonig82
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$800 is hardly that serious a
$800 is hardly that serious a fine!
When asked by a non-fisherman 'how many fishing rods do you really need?' the correct answer is either:
n+1 (where n is the number of fishing rods you currently own); or
n-1 (where n is the number of fishing rods which would cause your significant other to dump you.
pale ale
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That is pissweak!!! Maybe
That is pissweak!!! Maybe the judge should offer to fillet the undersize snapper for him??? Must be mates!
Garrett
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Pretty average. If I was a
Pretty average. If I was a dope grower who sold to my mates I could conceivably lose my house, car, the lot as proceeds of crime.
I don't see why we can't have similar punishments for people who deliberately screw up the environment like that.
Old pricks should know better.
johno
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hahaha that is funny... and a
hahaha that is funny... and a joke!
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Mitchisdatwitch1236
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not good
not good
scubafish
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Tazer there goat balls!!
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bitten
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bag limit of 10 size limit
bag limit of 10 size limit 27?
i guess wa is just a special place for snapper then
Daniel Y
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Actually differnt regions
Actually differnt regions have differnt size and bag limits because of a number of reasons, including their growth and reporduction rates, fishing pressures and social influences.
The length of maturity varies greatly between fish of the same species in differnt areas, which is one of the main reasons for the variation of size limits around the country.
Even in WA we see significant variation in pink snapper growth and maturity. In carnarvon for example, pinkies mature at about 10cm smaller than in perth metro. In the south west of the state, the length at which 50% of fish mature (L50), is about 5cm longer again than metro populations.
The L50 for female and male pinkies in perth metro region is actually larger than the the current min legal size of 50cm, so our min size limit should actually be increased imo...
Dreamweaver
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Must be VERY Frustrating
Absolutely disgusting and it must be incredibly frustrating for the respective state DOFs to spend huge amounts of time and effort into catching these pillagers, only to have some out of touch magistrate give them a financial wrap over the knuckles - $800 is pathetic, given what they did and knowlingly concealed not only there overcatch, but understized stock as well.
There has been millions spent on Marine Parks, lead up consultations etc etc (I know, a HUGE topic by itself), and yet, when these people are caught, we time and time again deliver a meaningless and non punitive penalty.
Sadly, for every one that gets caught (sic) (and financially wrist slapped), you can guarantee there will be others that continue undetected, and why wouldn't they? I mean, there is bugga all risk. At least that's how those disgusting and unconscionable individuals see it - my disgust and loathing doesn't even come close!
On top of that, every conservation terrorist (and I NOT saying conservation is bad - it isn't - just the extreme element - like every other arena) has perfectly presented "evidence" that rec fishers don't give a dam and are raping the sea. Which of course, in respect to the vast majority of us, this is simply not the case. But it DOES allow that opportunistic myth to be promulgated and eagerly digested by the bigotted and easily influenced masses.
It's about time state governments adopt a bipartisan and synergistic approach through a uniform and ubiquitous MANDATORY set of much harsher penalties.
It's a very frustrating paradox indeed that DOF officers are legislated with considerable powers, but, at the mercy of a judicial system who's front benches appear to be populated with a littany of inefectual and out of step magistrates, ergo MANDATORY penalties including asset confiscation and boat burning.
It's a serious problem, and a serious asset, it's about time we got serious doing something about it.
Soon to be de "dreamweaver" ed!
fishabloke
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I'm a NON Melburnian Vic
I'm a NON Melburnian Victorian and the attitude of some, especially in Melbourne makes my blood boil.The snapper are on and will get more easy to catch in huge amounts.There seems to be an attitude of take take bloody TAKE - as much as possible! Even those fishing legally are taking far too many fish, with plenty of people going out day after effin day and catching & keeping their limit.They have the stupid snapper racks/rod holders full of rods (allowed 4 in saltwater) and have multiple hookups when they're really going.As a result fish are lost, lines tangled and fish not looked after properly to let them go in good nick.Why these 'brainwaves' don't just settle on one or two rods at these times seems to be an ingrained childish, selfish attitude of not missing out.No doubt a lot are being sold/traded.A hell of a lot of fish are 'released' to upsize and floaters are commonly seen!
I've said it elsewhere but I reckon there needs to be a Port Phillip Bay / Westernport specific bag limit and/or a quota set whereby there's a FAMILY limit.As it is they take a 3 year old kid out and say that "the bambino catch his limit" and if you've got a family of, say, 5 people, then you've got fifty fish taken!!..does happen as the snapper get pretty bloody easy to catch! With a FAMILY limit there should be tags purchaseable for a small fee each and the tags affixed to the gill plate or around the tail wrist.They could work out the quota to be very generous for over the season but not nearly as generous as what is now acheivable.More fisheries officers are needed and could be funded easily from the quota tags money.
The FAMILY system could in other states too as greedy buzzturds are in every State & Territory.
Huge fines & confiscations wouldn't go astray either!!!
End of rant.
Darren
Rob H
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"tags purchaseable for a
"tags purchaseable for a small fee each"
I know its pretty disgusting and blatant, the sheer volume of fish taken in those cases, but how is bringing in tougher bag limits going to stop someone catching 80 undersize snapper? Will they decide that 70 over is ok but 75 isnt?
Tougher penalties maybe-but bag limits are for the honest people.
Rules as it is are plenty hard enough to decipher-so hard even our DOF cant give a consistant answer.
Its just the same as those silly signs on fuel bowsers "do not move vehicle until youve paid"-is the petrol thief going to look at that and decide to pay for his fuel? No, just the honest people end up banked up cos someone is too scared to move his car 3 meters.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
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Bit like Gun laws. Knee Jerk
Bit like Gun laws. Knee Jerk reaction to Gun related crime, the Gov goes 'lets get toughter on Gun Ownership!'. Because of course the people who are doing the gun related crimes are using their own register guns...............cough cough.
Same with fishing laws. People who break the rules are going to break the rules regardless of how tight rules or regulations become. The only thing that 'MIGHT' deter the rules/regs breakers is to have even harsher penelties(that are handed out in their maximum form) for the existing laws.
But then again you'll have the ones that wont care regardless. Even if the penelties are weak or harsh, as they know the chance of being caught(especially in a big state like W.A) are very slim.
sea-kem
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Too true Buz. The only
Too true Buz. The only detterent is to have more fisheries officers. More officers more chances of being caught simple.
Love the West!
fishabloke
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G'day Rob,Don't get me wrong,
G'day Rob,
Don't get me wrong, I hate beaurocrats and having umpteen laws imposed, as much as the next bloke but something tangible has to be done to stop greed - legal and illegal.The ideal scenario would be to have a properly staffed and funded fisheries that works 'round the clock.Here in Vic there are many MANY cases of people calling Fisheries but they never bloody come!..unless it's abalone, THEN they can't move fast enough it seems!! Strewth, how much more valuable is a fishing industry to Vics than the snapper season?!
I'm sick of hearing about people wanting to fish on piers around Melbourne but there's no room because some 'gentleman' has up to 10 rods out.There needs to be more Fisheries Officers enforcing the laws that are already in place.Part of the problem is that they had their sidearms taken off them years ago and are afraid of said 'gentlemen' stabbing them with a knife.I've only been checked once in 40 years of fishing and most will tell the same story.
One day I hope to get to W.A (wouldn't want to leave lol) and I can assure you that I'll respect the laws there!
Darren
TheJettyRat
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It is amazing how greedy some
It is amazing how greedy some people are.
solly
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Just go to say "you dont
Just go to say "you dont have to be wise to get old"Many of the grey nomads are the same whether it be muddies or fish,this is the generation that should know better but ignore the rules believing that its for the others .Not all of this gerneration are in this boat but plenty enough.
There are two types of people ,do'ers and watchers
Right now the do'ers are the doing it
And the watchers are watching us do it
squidder
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Grey Nomadders
are one of the biggest problems in the Top End{NT}, even after some of the buggas having their boats confiscated for breaking the bag limits and having Undersize fish in their possesion when apprehended.
I visit the NT 2 to 3 times a year and every time I hear the same "OLD" story about the "Trend" of these greedy crews.
At a guess, if the crime in question was committed in the NT, I would estimate , 1 All gear cofiscated, 2 a hefty fine in the vicinity of $20k each.
Don't laugh, because a chap came from Alice Springs a few yrs back, got caught with two and a half times his bag limit.
1 Both the 100 series and the $65k boat were confiscated.
2 He went to court to plead his case, coz he didn't live there, boo fkn hoo.
3 Penalty was dished out.
4 Got his car back.
5 Lost his boat------auctioned off-----to highest bidder-----
6 $ 30k fine.
7 A very sad chap left court.
8 There's was a lot more like it at one stage, but the message is sinking in, slowly.
Green No plates are the Worst by my personal veiwing.
As for the blokes in Vic, they got off light.
Rob H
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Im a strongly AGAINST having
Im quite strongly AGAINST having mandatory penaltys for any sort of offence.
While its great seeing someone blatant like the Vic guys or your grey nomads cop it, what about the guy a while back on here who got invited out on a boat with some acquantances, took and showed the boat owner and others his rec licence and assured they all had theirs. Then when they returned to ramp in exmouth and were checked it turned out the other guys licences hadnt been renewed by the missus?
He (having the only valid licence) was charged with going way over the bag limit. Should he have his car, rods, etc etc confiscated? I dont know the outcome of this but he was certainly charged I believe.
I'll try and find the thread and put up a link here. But as long as idiotic people put together half assed laws, there needs to be discretion as to penalties by a judge.
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/busted-fisheries-what-should-i-do
I dont know the outcome of this but its just to demonstrate that not ALL people charged with overfishing are blatant rape and pillage conneuseurs who deserve to lose their nuts-hence mandatory penalties have a downside.
Exactly the same sort of thing happened with mandatory sentences for assaulting a police officer.
A bloke who was forced out of the mental health system without medication, shoves a copper and is charged-the judge is there for a reason.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
pale ale
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Yep, green number plates.I go
Yep, green number plates.
I go to Darwin every year, and see the same thing.
How many barra can one old couple eat??