Best beach vehicle

Hi Guys just looking for some advise , I am wanting to buy a vehicle to use on the beach . What do you think is the best one for beach driving? looking to spend no more than $15k.


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beach car

Tue, 2012-06-12 16:39

what you want is something that doesnt have a sand plow (IFS) lots of newer cars have this and when the sand ir real soft and I mean real soft you are going to get stuck as it acts as a plow and you lose all your momentum.  A few people in my fishing club have the newer pathfinders and it doesnt take much to get them stuck.  beaches like wilbinga, wagoe, s bend etc have bogged plenty of these vehicles

tyres are very important as once deflated you can go most places, for beach driving they dont need to be an agressive tread pattern but the higher they raise your diff and undercarriage off the sand the better.

Apart from that petrol/diesel or manual/auto is all up to personal opinion.  My 4.2L natuarlly aspirated GQ patrol has been lifted 2 inch and has big 33 inch tyres.  apart from being slow around town it is unstoppable on the beach and will go places others dream of. Alot of beaches I fish over the winter months have not seen traffic for weeks if not months and I can deflate the tyres right down and make my own track.  In your price range you can pick up these all over the place 80 series cruisers are pretty similar setup and maybe slightly more expensive.

there wuill be a few people who are upset I didnt mention prado's and rangies (vince and herbie) but these two have both been towed at least once in the last 6 months lol

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Any of the Hilux, Rodeo,

Tue, 2012-06-12 16:43

Any of the Hilux, Rodeo, Cruisers, Patrols types will do the job. With beach driving its more about your driving techniques and choosing the correct gear for the occasion. You cant easily change gears with in a sticky situation on the beach. Although I sure many will have their preferred make.. Its about knowing when to go and when not to go. Tyre pressure is also a major factor. My suggestion is to choose a good vehicle first and then learn to drive it in the sand. Most of the time beach driving isnt all that tricky...  although some beaches are virtually no goers except for very experienced drivers. So do your research. good luck

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I have a 1983 60 series

Tue, 2012-06-12 17:05

I have a 1983 60 series landcruiser (4.2 Diesel) and 2012 Grand cherokee(3l Diesel). The jeep goes really well on the soft stuff but i still prefer the older beast with the bigger motor and bigger tyres. I would have to agree a great beach fishing vehicle of that price range would be a 80 series or Patrol(4.2). As already mentioned tyre pressures and driving techniques are key !

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Shuddup Rig! Friggin Nissan maniac!!!!!

Tue, 2012-06-12 17:22

Rig drives his vehicle like I do (not like Sherbie does). That's why they will last. OK Smartarse, mine wasn't towed mate it was taken out on a trailer because I didn't have enough spare tyres to get me out of there. I met up with the old fart today and he still reminds me of that .

OK so back to the good oil on advice for young fellas..... Both of the above posts hold true (other than Landie slander). Personally I would delete the Hilux (rollux).

A point I always make to the young and the restless is to get the vehicle checked out by a specialist and LISTEN to what he/she??? has to say. Don't listen to your peers about uplifts and large tyres. You won't need them if you learn to drive properly and to respect your vehicle for what it is. I am sick of helping people out when they have done something totally stupid (although I do and they probably don't want the associated lecture).

Another thing for the young fellas to bear in mind is the cost of maintenance and the need for it. 4X4s are expensive when things go wrong. You screw up the drive train by being stupid or over-kitting your vehicle then it's going to cost you a lot of money that you probably don't have. Save the money you may spend on mods and invest in preventative maintenance. Treat your vehicle like your new reel. Look after it. No warranty comes with a second hand 4x4 so you can't take it back to the tackle shop and complain and demand a refund.

Experience is everything mate. You don't have it so learn it and listen. Every bad experience you have is something you should learn from.

Good luck mate. So endeth the lesson LOL.

 

 

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Spot on Vince

Tue, 2012-06-12 18:54

What Vince has said is spot on. Have been driving on beaches for years as a pro fisherman and have never needed to get or even think about a lift kit, its not going to change the distance from the ground to the diff and thats the main part.

Any bigger 4x4 be it Nissan or Tojo, 6 cylinder, petrol or diesel will do the job if you take your time and learn some of the tricks in beach driving.

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Also depends alot on what

Tue, 2012-06-12 18:48

Also depends alot on what size your after . Power to weight the old rodeo 93 t/d onwards are good . They have a lsd , good approach and descent clearance and are great on fuel.

Yes I had/have (back up car) one and the amount of crew the old girl has got out of the trenches is amazing . It has gone further in mud and soft sand than friends cruisers , to the point where I was not able to be towed out of a mud field (things you do when board)near bootleg brewery and I did need a tow but from a huge tractor .

As others say , tire pressure is everything along with using your brain . Just dont get an older model triton - they are crap!

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suzuki jimny

Tue, 2012-06-12 18:55

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Forget

Tue, 2012-06-12 18:57

If you forget to undo your safety belt you can carry it round like a back pack LOL

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re suzuki

Tue, 2012-06-12 19:04

Have seen one loaded to the hilt with crew hanging of it charging boodji beach without a care in the world

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We are trying to educuate this guy into the real world of 4x4

Tue, 2012-06-12 19:14

LOL. I am assuming he wants a vehicle that can last and I can't see a Suzuki doing that and certainly wouldn't spend $17,000 on one. Where would you put your esky? Admitedly you could milk a tank to get it back up and running, just make sure it's not mine because it's deisel LOL.

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Don't knock the old

Tue, 2012-06-12 19:37

Suzuki Sierra 4x4's. I've seen them get to places that most if not all other 'normal' 4x4's would dream of.

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Extra space for the jimny

Wed, 2012-06-13 00:26

Extra space for the jimny hahahaha

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They are light and go hard on

Tue, 2012-06-12 19:06

They are light and go hard on the sand and even in the mud!!

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Second for the Jimny

Tue, 2012-06-12 19:42

.....they are light to go over the snd, and not sink in, cheap to purchase and easy to maintain, go on the smell-of-an-oil-rag. The only problem is they can't even tow their own shadow ....

.....and don't laugh, but a beetle based Beach Buggy is absolutely brilliant on the sand, I had one for the dunes in Namibia, and NEVER got stuck 

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Suzuki Stockman ute....light

Tue, 2012-06-12 19:50

Suzuki Stockman ute....light as and with a tray for your gear!!

But seriously, its not so much about what 4wd but more about experience and technique. Just as long as you have a real 4wd with low range,  decent tyres, compressor, deflators and snatch strap you'll be sweet. I've driven on soft beaches all my life and Ive got a D22 navara dualcab and a 100 series Turbo diesel auto....both go well on the beach. Cruiser is great with the auto but definetley noticibly heavier until the tyres get deflated...and then its sweet.

Both have bigger tyres and lift kits because they are very much needed on the tracks getting to and from the beach and gnarly reef sections we have to cross on the way to the better fishing spots.

 

I've pulled all sorts of 4wds out of their self induced bog holes on the beach....all because they simply had no idea and hadn't deflated their tyres!! Mainly poor Kalgoorlie folk on holidays.

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patrol

Tue, 2012-06-12 19:55

SWB patrol mate had mine for 4 years been bogged probly 4 times trying to fill my mates tent in :P light and you could probly wheel stand down the beach they got plenty of go !

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Don't laugh but I had a Lada

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:05

Don't laugh but I had a Lada Niva for a while to beach bash and it used to go like a shower of shit. Power to weight was awesome and through the dunes it was unstoppable.For $900 it was a bargain.

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OH.. Lada and Eagles don't mix LOL

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:23

FFS what were you thinking? LOL . We aint cheap mate !!!!!! And another thing.. Eagles will be around for a long time. Lada will end up in landfill, shortly LOL.

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I was desperate at the time

Tue, 2012-06-12 21:15

I was desperate at the time Vince to get my tinny in the water off the beach lol. It did what it was supposed to do and it got me to dhuies.

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 Could have been worse mate,

Wed, 2012-06-13 09:06

 

Could have been worse mate, could have had a Land Rover.

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Too true Shecky.I know a

Wed, 2012-06-13 21:53

Too true Shecky.I know a bloke who has one and it's an absolute heap of crap. Brakes, won't reverse won't start ha ha ha

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 Is russian. Is strong. Made

Tue, 2012-06-12 20:36

 Is russian. Is strong. Made of bulletproof steel for daily driving.

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Rangie copyed lada

Wed, 2012-06-13 07:51

With the same running gear lol     Toyoya 1st nissan 2nd  -----------------Rangie Somewere down here,  How about a comp on the beach with the three 4x4

All on the same 15 psi tyres

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I'd be in that Sherbie.I'll

Wed, 2012-06-13 14:39

I'd be in that Sherbie.

I'll be in a Wrangler

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 I have one, a 98 EFi... it

Wed, 2012-06-13 09:04

 

I have one, a 98 EFi... it is certainly unstoppable haha

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Friend had one

Tue, 2012-06-12 21:20

 Built for snow and insulated, doesn't suit Perth sunshine the first thing that went squishy was the steering wheel.

Flangies stick with your gq, btw I need to see your rod rack do you drive it to work?

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If you get a diesel 4x4 get

Wed, 2012-06-13 00:37

If you get a diesel 4x4 get one with a Turbo or get a petrol 4x4. Naturally Aspirated diesels suck big time if you have to get up a long steep sand hill. Not saying they cant do it(alot of times they cant) but once you go a Turbo Diesel you wont go back. In saying that the older N/A diesels are simple engines, with not much to go wrong, and also seem to last for alot more km's if treated nicely and serviced regulary.

Lift kits help but are not nessesary on most beach driving applications. In saying that i have a fair few fishing locations that require a fair bit of travel over really rocky terrain where a stock height 4x4 would have lots of problems getting into. Like Carnarvonite said Lift kits dont raise your diff any higher, only bigger tyres(poor onroad handling) or portal axles($$$) do that. But a standard 2in lift will usually give you better approach and departure angles, and will usually keep the middle belly of your car scraping on rocks your going over or bellying out on a sand hill crest.

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comp

Wed, 2012-06-13 09:25

ha ha herbie you wont even make it onto the beach, bogged on the track then blow your 3rd clutch in 6 months 'oh what a feeling'

 

most people go a lift kit to fit bigger tyres and therefore lift the diff centres

 

flangies down where you live you probably need armouring to prevent car jackings right?

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wilbinga beach comp

Wed, 2012-06-13 11:50

Dont bag out the Prado to much Rig, I remember helping to push your GQ out  then drive throught the same track with out a care in the world only to realize I had my handbreak on  

Also Herbie in his prado was the only one to go back and get that fella in his ?subaru? out when everyone else abandoned him on the beach as it was too boggy.

May be a Soccor mums car, but I'd definatley buy another one, hasnt let me down yet.

 

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Dualing Banjos

Wed, 2012-06-13 11:55

Da da da da da... de de de de de... LOL

Friggin redneck Prado owners.... LOL

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and Lada's come with

Wed, 2012-06-13 10:04

rear window demisters to keep ya hands warm while ya pushin em.......... Go a toyota landcruiser...they will keep goin and goin...any terrain aint a problem forthem if you know how to drive it....... you'll get one and wont look back............

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+1 for the sierra, and spend

Wed, 2012-06-13 10:08

+1 for the sierra, and spend the rest on fishing gear. Cant beat light weight for beach work, my mrs crv was ppassen me mates cruizers up at grey and I was reversing

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daihatsu feroza takes me

Wed, 2012-06-13 10:38

daihatsu feroza takes me everywhere still yet to get bogged and it beats the landcruisers and patrols as is so light i just have 30 by 9.5in tyres and can deflate down to ten if needed as have a real good lip on my rims and you can get one for 5 grand but depends on what you want and how much room you want as they are not that roomy.

the guys from the wc lbg club would vouch for my little beast as they have seen what it can do lol circles around them

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Feroza still going

Wed, 2012-06-13 11:55

Feroza still going strong?

Good to hear mate, you up for a wilbinga over night fish again some time soon?

 

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yeah still going strong as

Thu, 2012-06-14 10:23

yeah still going strong as mate and yeah im up for it give me a pm when your keen as i have got a week of at the end of the month so anytimes good for me.

would be good to catch up again

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ha ha

Wed, 2012-06-13 11:49

I will vouch it goes good on the beach, but once you put a tackle box in the back its full.

  You would have had to strap that mulla to the roof rack lol

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I think the lesson here is

Wed, 2012-06-13 11:51

I think the lesson here is that most tools will do the job if used correctly. My dad's Ford Courier has got us heaps of places, its only 4cylinder petrol (i think) and hasn't had any special alterations. We've been bogged and number of times and even spiked tyres, but we always learn from it and every bit of experience helps.

We've even been down the dunes at Warren River mouth and got back out again, although it took us plenty of tries and we made the mistake of trying to lighten the load in the back- me and my brother literally carried the esky, camping gear, etc all the way up the dunes. Anyone whos been there will know what a mission that is! Talking to others we learnt that it's better to keep the weight in as it gives more traction. It's things like this you'll only learn from experience haha.

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As others have said - light

Wed, 2012-06-13 13:41

As others have said - light weight is the key for beach work (along with deflated tyres)
Seen countless little egg-beaters going past bogged Cruisers etc

Hell, I even pulled up next to a stuck Prado in the Mrs' Santa Fe on a beach south of Kalbarri and offered to help.
Bloke declined - was would rather dig himself out than get pulled out by a Korean SUV.
The difference ? We were running 14psi and it looked like he had about 30psi.

My 1st 4wd 20-odd years ago was a SWB FJ40 cruiser (petrol), and never even looked like getting it stuck in some very dodgy conditions.
Standard 7.50 x 16" rims and 235/75 tyres performed so much better than a mate who whacked the usual 15" white rims & chunky treaded fat tyres on.
Large Rolling diameter wins every time - and his luggy tyres just excavated big holes in no time.

Since then I've had all sorts through work etc : Mazda Bravo, RA Rodeos, Hiluxes, Tritons (crap), and currently have another Turbo Diesel Rodeo for work, with a TDV6 Discovery 3 for my main vehicle.
The Disco has amazed me with its non-beach off-road performance and has snatched a Mega lifted Patrol out of an abyss it dug for itself at Wilbinga (again, massive luggy mud tyres) but i'd ususally choose the Rodeo for a run on a beach (due to the big weight difference) - as long as the entry / exit didn't have any big climbs where power / speed is important - in which case I'd take the disco.
But like many vehicles in the same category, the Rodeo is no good in deep ruts as ground clearance is limited, so is better to make a new track if there's room.

But the no-frills FJ40 was the most fun - rough as guts, but definitely performed.

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ha

Wed, 2012-06-13 13:51

I have never been stuck at wilbinga red, slowed down but not stuck lol

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Agreed.definately slowed down

Wed, 2012-06-13 14:48

Agreed.

definately slowed down not stuck....   just saying a prado driver helped out a GQ. even if it was only a little help ;)

poor old prado's are getting a sledging.

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I still remember

Wed, 2012-06-13 20:41

You taking the track around When red and myself went a long the beach lol

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Maybe that was a smarter option LOL

Wed, 2012-06-13 20:45

Get some sleep mate. You have a long trip ahead. You will need your nanna naps.

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I have a Cruiser and wont budge

Wed, 2012-06-13 14:13

But as a student and poor had an old Subaru sportswagon, and as a very keen remote windsurfer and fisher I have driven this thing over all sorts off beaches, past bogged cars of all types (no way was I going to try and pull out a big 4x4 with the small Subi) and have to admit that it was a bloody-go-anywhere machine. Deflated tyres a little, and clearance was a problem on some beach approaches, once on the soft stuff she was a hoot.

Probably to do with power/wt, and I wouldnt go back. Engel and other shit I carry now that I have some money would stuff it full, but as a windsurfing/fishing mobile when young it was ideal.

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Thanks

Wed, 2012-06-13 14:42

Thanks you to all you guys that took the time to share your thoughts. I think I have a good idea from all your advise what to look for in a car.

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Herbie

Thu, 2012-06-14 09:23

I knew he would pop up sooner or later, world champion at getting bogged lol (and burning clutches).

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Iv got a 94 pajero 3L v6,

Thu, 2012-06-14 12:33

Iv got a 94 pajero 3L v6, only times iv been stuck were due to making silly mistakes got a set of 31x10.5's on it let them down to 18psi and will go pritty much anywhere also has 3 ratios high, low and ultra low not that iv needed ultra low. Also has limited slip diff and a central locker in low range handles like a normal car onroad too.

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You cant beat 'em

Thu, 2012-06-14 15:34

I love the old Suzuki's.. Like the LJ50 or LJ80... ESPECIALLY the lil 2 stroke motor!!!!

They are fantastic !!!

 

I currently drive a mitsi challenger, of which gives me unbelievable pleasure when I pass cruisers and patrols bogged down!!!

I always ask them if they would like a hand, but they cant bring themselves to let me help them!!!!  LOL...

No matter what you get, make sure you have diff locks installed... That is the ONLY way you will have a true 4x4...  They are worth there weight in gold plus some!!

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Thanks

Tue, 2012-06-19 16:34

Thanks for all the info.

 

I bought a hilux

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What year/model you go?Any

Tue, 2012-06-19 16:44

What year/model you go?

Any things on the wish list already to do it up :)

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Kluger

Tue, 2012-06-19 20:25

Does anyone know how the new Klugers go on the beach?

 

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2005

Wed, 2012-06-20 10:02

I over spent the budget a bit (which is normal for me) , its a 2005 dual cab it has good a/t tyres , lift kit . I want to fit bull bar , spot lights and dual batteries . Any other suggestions.

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Sounds pretty good. IS it the

Wed, 2012-06-20 11:16

Sounds pretty good. IS it the Turbo Diesel? If it is just a thing if you can get an after market fuel prefilter/water separator fitted. The early KUN26R D4D engine Hilux seemed to have big issues with the injectors if you got a bad batch of diesel(apparently the Prado with the same engine did too). Not much dramas with city driving it seems but if you get a bad batch out bush and the engine shuts down or goes into limp mode, its a long way back to help. It  seems that Toyota sorted this problem with the new 2012 Hilux's though..... hopefully. You'll probably find plenty of people that havent had dramas with their D4D Hiluxs, but doing a search on 4x4 forums you will find there are plenty of people that have.

Also see if the clutch has been replaced if a Manual. The KUN26R Hilux had a tendancy to wear out the clutches within the first 50000-100000km if doing any towing or heavy work. But then again most new dual cab 4x4's suffer from this.

If getting spotties remember you can only have 6 forward facing lights including your headlights. So 4 spotties max. Or get two spotties and an LED light bar :)

But all the other good gear Rig mention below is worth its weight in gold too when 4x4ing.

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awning

Wed, 2012-06-20 10:43

If it will fit that car an awning and roof rack are worthwhile accesories and a engel once your dual battery is setup.

A decent air compressor is a must along with a snatch strap and a real shovel.  tyre deflators, max trax(or wood) and air jack also worth thinking about.   

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good choice

Wed, 2012-06-20 20:20

Did you get tray back or well body? dual cab?

Ive wasted a  fair bit of time modding/maintaining my 08 D4D  so should be able to help out with a bit. And dont listen to any hilux haters these things are unstoppable on the beach.

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WELL BODY

Thu, 2012-06-21 12:55

I got the well body , dual cab