Personally I'd buy a Stella over a Saltiga any day...........
but if I spent that amount of money on a reel I wouldn't be taking it anywhere near the sand so to me they would both be no good on the beach. The last thing I want is to have to clean out a $1000 reel because the wind blew sand up into it or it accidentally got dropped or dunked. I'd rather save a crap load of money & hang a Shimano Spheros under the rod. Very tough reel that I wouldn't be scared of taking to the beach seeing as it's less than 1/4 of the price of a Stella or Saltiga.
The surf is an excellent casting spin reel, has a slow retreive for low down grunt but some people dont like this. I put up with it because it is so smooth compared to any other spin reel aimed at surf casting
Leemo - Yes I got the price wrong, I still wouldn't put a $500 reel near the sand, made for it or not, so it doesn't change MY personal choice of the Spheros.
Rig - I never said the Saltiga Surf is a bad reel, anyone that says it is would have to be a world class moron. It just wouldn't be my personal choice, partly due to budget concerns (I can't afford to damage a reel with that price tag) & partly because I've had a very bad run with Daiwa reels. If a person can afford a $550 reel & they have had a good run out of Daiwa products then it should be very close to thier number one choice.
I hope the clarification clears up my comments a little.
its alright fossil everyone is entitled to their opinion and thats what makes the forum. Rather than start another shimano/daiwa debate I will get back to the question Crezz is asking about a distance casting reel and a saltiga surf will out cast a spheros everytime due to is spool design.
Other options-----------Crezz daiwa emblem pro reels are also worth looking at with a higher ratio than the surf and huge spool(comes with 2). I owned and moved on a Daiwa windcast and it did distance cast very well but required alot of maintenance if sand went near it and the drag got very slippery once I rinsed with a bit of fresh water.
I will get back to the importance of getting the ratio right for your application. If I am fishing over a rock ledge or fringing reef I reach for the emblem pro as I can quickly rip my rig over the top of the reef. If I am fishing sandy beaches I go for the saltiga surf as retrieve speed doesnt really matter
In my experience with reels and beach/rock fishing buy reasonable quality gear if you want it to last and dont get shimano spin reels wet. Saltiga on the other hand love or hate them I have 5 of them and never needed a factory service or repair yet(plenty of discussion on this site), they can get wet and be rinsed off no worries, but as always with any reel take good care and it will last a long time.
X2 to Emblem Pro. I have two of them and they have never needed anything other than a standard reel sevice. Though i have only had it done once on each one and they are 7 and 14(earlier Emblem-X) years old each.
Cheaper alternative again is the Emcast Sport. I have the 4500 an its been brilliant so far. Definitly doesnt feel as robust as an Embelm Pro though.
I also use a Spheros 14000, but thats only for chucking big baits for Sharks. Otherwise the Emblems get used for 80% of my Landbased fishing.
'little heavy' is a bit of an understatement ;) hahah. Nah, they are good reels, literally unbreakable. Come into their own for sharks n rays because of the huge spool capacities. Bigger spool than the 7000H Dogfight!
i have to agree with buz i saw one of his posts a few monts ago and i brought started looking into the emblem and eventually i brought it! since ive had it ive only had time to use it less than 10 times but its an awsome reel good for lures as well as bait and with a bonus of being half the price of the saltiga surf. if u make the descision to go with the reel i know a tackle shop that will sell it for $240!!!!!!!
Hahaha i just watched a documentary i recorded a couple of weeks back, called 'Great Southern Land' basically show casing Australia from the sky. And in this episode they were climbing Giant Mountain Ash trees in Tasmaina. And to get their ropes up to the top of the trees they used a Crossbow with a fishing reel attached under it to shoot a 'pilot line' up, and yep it was a Saltiga Surf hahahaha
Really?? No matter what the price is. Its no different than using it in a boat, it gets salt sprayed and banged around when the going gets tough. Sand don't corrode your reels, saltwater do. At the end of the day its still a fishing reel.
The Saltiga Surf is a great reel and comes in at a great price for a high end reel, very light too. However, they are plenty to choose from nowadays. Shimano has the new Ultegra 14000 XTC with a preset drag system similar to the Daiwa's Quick Drag setup. Priced at only $299.
If you need a super tough reel and fishing heavy braid (more than 40lb) then avoid surf casting reels. Go for more your deep spool large spin reels, ie Spheros, Saltist, Opus Bull, Baitrunner, Saragosa, etc etc. The reason is Surf casting reels have very long shaft to extend out the very tall spools. You don't want to put too much pressure when the shaft is fully extended out, otherwise you'll bend it. Best to go for regular reels with their shorter and thicker shafts.
Hehehe i can attest to the long shafts on the long cast spools of surf casting reels not being the greatest for MASSIVE pressure. My fault really. Had a big dirty ray on om my Emblem Pro and decided to wind up the drag as much as i could to bust it off. It worked but it also bent the shaft slightly. Not really a big drama though, just got a new shaft and replaced it later.
This could have been avoided though by a. making sure the spool wasnt extended all the way out when i locked it up, b. actually holding the spool with my hand to lock it up instead of using the drag system to break the line, or c. just fighting the stupid ray all the way in with only a moderate amount of drag.
In saying that i have caught many big rays and turned the drag up pretty high and havent had a problem druning 'normal' fighting conditions. Daiwa website says up to 35lb of drag for the Emblem Pro, still i did go out and buy a Spheros 14000 as my BIG Bait reel now(doubles as my heavy boat reel).
The Shimano Big Baitrunner Long Cast - deep spool surf casting style reel without the extra long shafts, full metal construction and baitrunner feature!!
Now days they are composite and are much lighter than earlier years. Massive capacity. Alvey reels don't care about water or the very fine sand blowing around beaches. They come in a variety of sizes, can double as boat reels and are super easy to maintain. The surf champion lever drag is a gret improvement for the Alvey range.
salty surfs are fine...mate uses one at wagoe and regularly just skull drags black tips up the reef, quite a strong reel.....emblem pros are a quick high speed spinner,,,,fin noors are sturdy but heavy
dont worry about cost, just use what u like as it makes for a beta fishing experience.....i use a 6500 expy from the beach/reef at wagoe and its awesome as ive been busted of due to lack of drag lb on decent fish on my emblem.....i didnt buy the expy to sit in a box for 10 yrs......it never hits sand, or rocks and is always wrapped up after use or during transport from one spot to another.....always washed down, couple of drops of daiwa oil and has one or two very minor scuff marks.........makes no diff to the reel other than cosmetics.....u will notice the diff going from a 250 reel to a $500 to a $1000 reel...........they are all worlds apart
buy the higher speed version of the salty and purchase the 2nd spool,,,spool the 2nd spool with mono if u use it and the 4500 spool with braid
i will mostly be using it down south where the surf is heavy and sometimes the gutters or holes are just out of casting distance with my cheap but trusty penn 850
I dont know what your currently running but you will get better distance with braid over mono. If its purely disitnace you want from a spin reel then dont hold back saltiga surf 30lb braid is the way to go
Fossil
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Personally I'd buy a Stella
Personally I'd buy a Stella over a Saltiga any day...........
but if I spent that amount of money on a reel I wouldn't be taking it anywhere near the sand so to me they would both be no good on the beach. The last thing I want is to have to clean out a $1000 reel because the wind blew sand up into it or it accidentally got dropped or dunked. I'd rather save a crap load of money & hang a Shimano Spheros under the rod. Very tough reel that I wouldn't be scared of taking to the beach seeing as it's less than 1/4 of the price of a Stella or Saltiga.
Leemo
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saltiga surf comes in at
saltiga surf comes in at $570. Practically made for sand.
bludgin' since 94'
Rig
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saltiga
dont know about those comments fossil.
The surf is an excellent casting spin reel, has a slow retreive for low down grunt but some people dont like this. I put up with it because it is so smooth compared to any other spin reel aimed at surf casting
Fossil
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Leemo - Yes I got the price
Leemo - Yes I got the price wrong, I still wouldn't put a $500 reel near the sand, made for it or not, so it doesn't change MY personal choice of the Spheros.
Rig - I never said the Saltiga Surf is a bad reel, anyone that says it is would have to be a world class moron. It just wouldn't be my personal choice, partly due to budget concerns (I can't afford to damage a reel with that price tag) & partly because I've had a very bad run with Daiwa reels. If a person can afford a $550 reel & they have had a good run out of Daiwa products then it should be very close to thier number one choice.
I hope the clarification clears up my comments a little.
Rig
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Date Joined: 27/12/06
cleared up
its alright fossil everyone is entitled to their opinion and thats what makes the forum. Rather than start another shimano/daiwa debate I will get back to the question Crezz is asking about a distance casting reel and a saltiga surf will out cast a spheros everytime due to is spool design.
Other options-----------Crezz daiwa emblem pro reels are also worth looking at with a higher ratio than the surf and huge spool(comes with 2). I owned and moved on a Daiwa windcast and it did distance cast very well but required alot of maintenance if sand went near it and the drag got very slippery once I rinsed with a bit of fresh water.
I will get back to the importance of getting the ratio right for your application. If I am fishing over a rock ledge or fringing reef I reach for the emblem pro as I can quickly rip my rig over the top of the reef. If I am fishing sandy beaches I go for the saltiga surf as retrieve speed doesnt really matter
In my experience with reels and beach/rock fishing buy reasonable quality gear if you want it to last and dont get shimano spin reels wet
. Saltiga on the other hand love or hate them I have 5 of them and never needed a factory service or repair yet(plenty of discussion on this site), they can get wet and be rinsed off no worries, but as always with any reel take good care and it will last a long time.
Buz
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X2 to Emblem Pro. I have two
X2 to Emblem Pro. I have two of them and they have never needed anything other than a standard reel sevice. Though i have only had it done once on each one and they are 7 and 14(earlier Emblem-X) years old each.
Cheaper alternative again is the Emcast Sport. I have the 4500 an its been brilliant so far. Definitly doesnt feel as robust as an Embelm Pro though.
I also use a Spheros 14000, but thats only for chucking big baits for Sharks. Otherwise the Emblems get used for 80% of my Landbased fishing.
richo72
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I personly like the fin-nors.
I personly like the fin-nors. they are great for beach fishing as long as you arent casting lures all day as they are a little heavy.
Cheap as chips compared to the others to.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
I fish therfore i exaggerate
Leemo
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'little heavy' is a bit of
'little heavy' is a bit of an understatement ;) hahah. Nah, they are good reels, literally unbreakable. Come into their own for sharks n rays because of the huge spool capacities. Bigger spool than the 7000H Dogfight!
bludgin' since 94'
parry123
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i have to agree with buz i
i have to agree with buz i saw one of his posts a few monts ago and i brought started looking into the emblem and eventually i brought it! since ive had it ive only had time to use it less than 10 times but its an awsome reel good for lures as well as bait and with a bonus of being half the price of the saltiga surf. if u make the descision to go with the reel i know a tackle shop that will sell it for $240!!!!!!!
Buz
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Date Joined: 28/08/07
Hahaha i just watched a
Hahaha i just watched a documentary i recorded a couple of weeks back, called 'Great Southern Land' basically show casing Australia from the sky. And in this episode they were climbing Giant Mountain Ash trees in Tasmaina. And to get their ropes up to the top of the trees they used a Crossbow with a fishing reel attached under it to shoot a 'pilot line' up, and yep it was a Saltiga Surf hahahaha
Bunny
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Date Joined: 05/08/10
I reckon you should
I reckon you should seriously consider a Penn Torque.
Go to Alanhawk.com and check out the review on it. It sounds like one of the best surf spinning reels ever.
honsu chin
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Date Joined: 20/09/05
Really?? No matter what the
Really?? No matter what the price is. Its no different than using it in a boat, it gets salt sprayed and banged around when the going gets tough. Sand don't corrode your reels, saltwater do. At the end of the day its still a fishing reel.
The Saltiga Surf is a great reel and comes in at a great price for a high end reel, very light too. However, they are plenty to choose from nowadays. Shimano has the new Ultegra 14000 XTC with a preset drag system similar to the Daiwa's Quick Drag setup. Priced at only $299.
If you need a super tough reel and fishing heavy braid (more than 40lb) then avoid surf casting reels. Go for more your deep spool large spin reels, ie Spheros, Saltist, Opus Bull, Baitrunner, Saragosa, etc etc. The reason is Surf casting reels have very long shaft to extend out the very tall spools. You don't want to put too much pressure when the shaft is fully extended out, otherwise you'll bend it. Best to go for regular reels with their shorter and thicker shafts.
All of the above is JMO....
Buz
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Date Joined: 28/08/07
Hehehe i can attest to the
Hehehe i can attest to the long shafts on the long cast spools of surf casting reels not being the greatest for MASSIVE pressure. My fault really. Had a big dirty ray on om my Emblem Pro and decided to wind up the drag as much as i could to bust it off. It worked but it also bent the shaft slightly. Not really a big drama though, just got a new shaft and replaced it later.
This could have been avoided though by a. making sure the spool wasnt extended all the way out when i locked it up, b. actually holding the spool with my hand to lock it up instead of using the drag system to break the line, or c. just fighting the stupid ray all the way in with only a moderate amount of drag.
In saying that i have caught many big rays and turned the drag up pretty high and havent had a problem druning 'normal' fighting conditions. Daiwa website says up to 35lb of drag for the Emblem Pro, still i did go out and buy a Spheros 14000 as my BIG Bait reel now(doubles as my heavy boat reel).
honsu chin
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Date Joined: 20/09/05
Another to recommend
Here's another reel to consider.
The Shimano Big Baitrunner Long Cast - deep spool surf casting style reel without the extra long shafts, full metal construction and baitrunner feature!!
opsrey
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Date Joined: 05/10/07
Alvey surf champion .....
Now days they are composite and are much lighter than earlier years. Massive capacity. Alvey reels don't care about water or the very fine sand blowing around beaches. They come in a variety of sizes, can double as boat reels and are super easy to maintain. The surf champion lever drag is a gret improvement for the Alvey range.
Buy Australian?
flangies
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Alvey!
Alvey!
Rig
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Alvey
Whatever flangies lol
If anyone is interested I have a shimano big baitrunner for sale mint condition $180
499
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Date Joined: 07/12/08
salty surfs are fine...mate
salty surfs are fine...mate uses one at wagoe and regularly just skull drags black tips up the reef, quite a strong reel.....emblem pros are a quick high speed spinner,,,,fin noors are sturdy but heavy
dont worry about cost, just use what u like as it makes for a beta fishing experience.....i use a 6500 expy from the beach/reef at wagoe and its awesome as ive been busted of due to lack of drag lb on decent fish on my emblem.....i didnt buy the expy to sit in a box for 10 yrs......it never hits sand, or rocks and is always wrapped up after use or during transport from one spot to another.....always washed down, couple of drops of daiwa oil and has one or two very minor scuff marks.........makes no diff to the reel other than cosmetics.....u will notice the diff going from a 250 reel to a $500 to a $1000 reel...........they are all worlds apart
buy the higher speed version of the salty and purchase the 2nd spool,,,spool the 2nd spool with mono if u use it and the 4500 spool with braid
kane
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thoughts on van staal ??????
thoughts on van staal ??????
Gooooone Fishin!
crezz
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i will mostly be using it
i will mostly be using it down south where the surf is heavy and sometimes the gutters or holes are just out of casting distance with my cheap but trusty penn 850
Rig
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Date Joined: 27/12/06
line
I dont know what your currently running but you will get better distance with braid over mono. If its purely disitnace you want from a spin reel then dont hold back saltiga surf 30lb braid is the way to go
what rod are you using?
499
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Date Joined: 07/12/08
crez if yr fishing heavy seas
crez if yr fishing heavy seas n lge swells youd be beta of using long rod 13ft plus and rated heavy, like posedians etc
like rig said braid is fine, if yr fishing set n forget style back yr drag off a tad more and yr lead should sit tight in the sand
long rod keeps yr line outa the white wash, can punch a lge lead and bait cost cottoned reasonably far if u can cast ok
Rig u going to the next meeting at the club
crezz
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yer currently running 13.5ft
yer currently running 13.5ft snyder but its a bit heavy
Rig
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Date Joined: 27/12/06
meeting
unlikely 499 I am always at work on wednesdays, hopefully I can fish the cervantes comp in November
Crezz Snyders are pretty good rods but I prefer graphite rods myself they will cast a bit better but dont go spending too much money at once lol