fg knot vid
Submitted by grayzeee on Thu, 2012-06-14 10:15
Is this the way you guys tie em? It says improved..... ?
http://www.sportfishingmag.com/techniques/tying-improved-fg-knot
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chrisp
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Maybe improved due to the
Maybe improved due to the reduced profile by not burning the end of the fluro to stop the braid slipping and thus reducing the profile slightly. This is the 3rd method i have seen for tying f/g.There is a ultra easy method though which is far more practical for tying in all situations ie on boat and in the middle of a hot bite which uses the rod to keep tention on the braid when performing the wrapping process.I have not seen it online but happy to show you one day mate if you like.
katsy85
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Ok i got to the 15 min mark
Ok i got to the 15 min mark and i fell asleep, i think i will stick to albright
till
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Grayzee, that is the guy I
Grayzee, that is the guy I mentioned in this comment here:
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/double-uni-knot-0#comment-423497
EL SYD
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hes doubled up the braid
hes doubled up the braid thus keeping his twists and turn numbers down, the real trick to this knot ( well i reckon) is to melt? the braid when applying the tension to the wraps after the first half hitch ,pull till the braid changes colour my term of melting,
as for allbrights i no longer use them for casting heavy leader few too many guide replacments :)
JohnF
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Grayzee, i read this about a
Grayzee, i read this about a year ago but way too hard to do. Then SamC showed me and Chrisp and Daz how to do it using the rod to tension the line, heaps easier!!!!! Offer to buy me and Chris a beer one day and we will give you a demo!
And yes, secret is to "melt" the braid into the leader....ie: no spit!
Boston Whaler 235 Conquest......getting the flogging it was built for.
grayzeee
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The pm had been fired already
The pm had been fired already John.
Might as well get on board with the fg.
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bunyiphunter
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wrapping using yer rod
Perhaps an easier way to wrap than using your fingers - does my head in!
www.youtube.com/watch
then finish off as in the other vid - series of alternate hitches etc/rizzuto
till
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I tie like that, but just use
I tie like that, but just use the regular finish, not what they show there.
Sebile are have a lend of us all calling that a new knot.
chrisp
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Yep Bunyiphunter, that the
Yep Bunyiphunter, that the easy way! :)
Buz
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Man that IS an easy knot to
Man that IS an easy knot to do. I have already done it twice now in front of my computer, and has worked out both times!!!!! Might be finially upgrading from the old double uni!
Just a thing with this knot i am guessing the use of a double/bimini is not longer required as its strong enough?
Thanks for the link Bunyiphunter. One of the more easier methods and also clear instructions on a video i have seen.
Buz.
till
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The bimini just enables you
The bimini just enables you to tie a good knot like an gt or deckie (cringe). If you're tying a 100% knot then you don't need it.
I still do the double and aussie plait for mono trolling outfits.
Buz
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Oh right thanks for that
Oh right thanks for that Jamie. I am actually getting excited about this knot now. I in theory should be able to get a better surf cast with my metals and poppers now and not have to hear a knot clacking through the guides so bad!!!
Yeah will still stick to the bimini for light mono and plait for heavy mono when trolling.
Just out of interest, so if doing a double/bimini, what do you think is the best joiner knot, the GT? Just have been doing the bimini-double uni for so long seems a shame to not have to do the bimini anymore. Would you use this sebile/fg knot for say jigging/bottom bashing aswell as for casting?
Thanks, Buz.
till
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I still use the GT in light
I still use the GT in light line classes, pretty sure John F says he uses the FG down to squidding gear, reminds me I should drop my gear around so he can sort it out for me ;)
I use the FG for jigging as well.
Buz
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Excellent. Think i am going
Excellent. Think i am going to be using this FG/Sebile knot a fair bit then. Thanks mate.
bunyiphunter
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yeah two half hitches or
yeah two half hitches or whatever he does aint enough insurance for mine.......
not to mention the awful mass of leader to hang up every time winding thru your guides
grayzeee
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OKbeen practicing that sebile
OK
been practicing that sebile , 10 wraps with each side with the braid ,but then finishing with a half hitch and about 4 opposite 2 turn uni's up the leader, and a couple final half hitches to finish.
Is the main trick with this knot to do the 10 opposite wraps with the braid and lock with a half hitch , then pull the leader against the mainline tight so it locks up and bites into the leader , before finishing???
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bunyiphunter
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each to there own
but i would be doing way more than 10 x 2 turns with the braid
i havent landed anything huge on my fgs but i dont think more turns can hurt
i would usually go 20-30 minimum with single stand braid possibly less if tying with a double [bimini] before half hitching and cinching real tight then finishing
i did try a double [bimini] but after chucking lures for a while noticed the braid was looking a little worse for wear
dont know what others think but may need retying if chucking lures sure bottom bouncing it would stand up ok
till
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The problem with increasing
The problem with increasing the # of crossover loops, is that it means after many load/unload cycles, there is potentially more free line available to work loose.
Buz
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Sebile Knot strength?
Ok finally got another the Sebile/FG knot in my memory! Took me DAYS to get it right without watching the video linked above by Bunyip Hunter :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N0mCf0AIAA&feature=youtu.be
But after mastering the tieing i thought i would do some caveman testing of the knot by seeing how much weight it could bear. So i attach the braid to a hanging hook(no knots just heaps and heaps of wraps around it) then attach the leader line at the other end to a 20lt bucket with a Uni knot. Then hang from the patio and start filling the bucket with water.
Braid used was Salitga Boat Braid 40lb(18.14kg)
Leader used was Schnieder 55lb(24.94kg)
According to the Youtube vid the Sevile Knot is 100%
So in my very very rudimentary tests it seemed that the Sebile Knot is 'slipping off' at around 15-16kg(electronic scales) of weight put on it. I did this experiment 10 times just to see if there was any differences in the weight it could carry or if i accidently did one knot wrong. But all 10 times it slipped between 15 and 16kg. So i guess what i am wondering is has anyone else actually tested a Sebile Knot with proper testing equipment? Is there something in the way the Sebile Knot is instructed in the vid that makes it not as good as being 100%?
I noticed some mention that they finish it different instead of the 1,3,2,1 half hitches on the Sebile Vid. Are these other finishing methods make the knot stronger?
Any thoughts/opinions appreciated.
Thanks, Buz.
Chuditch
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At a guess I recon you are
At a guess I recon you are probably doing too many wraps if the knot is slipping. You actually want the braid to really bite/burn into the leader. I find 10 wrap is fine, 12 max. I also dont use the 3 turn hitches as i find they dont always finish neat and snug to the last hitch. Try finish it with more hitches 1,1,2,1,2,1,2,1.
Using a similar method I tested three knots with 20lb Tuffline and 60lb jinkai. First broke in the middle of the braid at 10.3kgs (22.7lb), 2nd broke at the knot at 13.4kg (29.5lb), 3rd at the knot again at 13.1kg (28.8lb). Must of been a weak point in the braid in the first test.
I knew the tuffline was underrated in terms of breaking strain but did realise to that extent. Definatley no expert just hate losing good fish to shit knots. Hope that helps.
Buz
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Nah as per video only did 10
Nah as per video only did 10 wraps. I did do the hitches though the same 1,3,2,1. I havent found a problem with it not pulling up tight though. Finishes really snug and tight then i melt the tag end of leader and squash ut a bit to create a 'stopper' of sorts. Will try a different combo of hitches. But am happy with my initial results anyway as i never go stupid on my drag settings and rarely go over 1/3 if the breaking strain anyway.
till
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Mwahaha - good on you for
Mwahaha - good on you for testing it. The ABS for the PE3 is 45lb, so you managed 16/19.43 ~82%. I personally think that rating friction knots knots over 95% a little hopeful.
Here is the kicker though, did you test the other knots you also used? I tied a bunch of GTs and double unis to see how they compared. It took me about half a dozen FGs, with the regular finish, to get a knot that was better than my GT in terms of breaking strain.
Paulus will test knots if you send them to him as well.
Buz
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Thanks Jamie. It took sooooo
Thanks Jamie. It took sooooo long for me to imprint in my memory how to do it. I think my missus probably though i was on Youporn and not Youtube i was on the computer so much hahahahahaha.
I havent yet tested a GT knot strength. Am just tyring to memorize that one too. I did test my usual bimini to double uni with the same variables and it seems to break at around 13-14kg or weight. So i guess for the way i am tying Sebile and Double Uni, strength wise the Sebile is slightly better. I am more keen on the Sebile because i like its small profile for surf casting. Though the double uni has worked for years for me i imagine a smaller knot is going to be better casting wise.
Cheers for letting me know who can test knot strengths. But for now i'll say that i am happy with my caveman testing results. If what you say is a pretty good result, i am happy enough as i doubt i am ever going to exert that amount of pressure on a fish with what i target and how i fish :)
till
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Just make sure they're
Just make sure they're well-labeled and that you send him 3ea lengths of braid and mono as well, so that he can test that too.
Buz
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LOVE the FG/Sebile knot
Ok i now officially love this knot. After testing it on a few Landbased species up north and casting with it many many times, i have found its very strong and reliable, small so goes through the guides easy, and now that i have it imprinted in my memory it is easy as hell to do even on a windy as hell beach!!!!!!!
Of course all of you guys who have been using this knot for ages all know this and know its a ripper knot, but for all the guys that were in my position, of not really knowing how to do it so hesitant to learn, take the time and learn it, watch the Youtube vid a hundred times like i did, practice it with a bit of braid and leader while surfing Fwrecked on your computer, it is sooooooo worth it :)
Cheers for starting this thread Grayzeee and to all the other lads that posted info on it aswell.
randall df223
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i was talking about fg knots
i was talking about fg knots at the lunch table today, and someone asked does the "FG" stand for "f...king good" knot? :D lol!
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