82% say no
Submitted by Fish guts on Tue, 2012-10-16 18:46
82% of the public say no to culling great whites. I know it has been talked about previously in FW. But seriously I wonder how the FW society would vote. Personally I have never seen one in the flesh and therefore never had a reason to want to destroy one. But I support the program to cull them. I don't think they are an indanged species anymore. And with the recent loss of human life and their more noted agressive behaviour it would be interesting to know your thoughts.
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82%
of who? Where did this statistic come from?
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It was on today tonight.
It was on today tonight. They released the statistics on the debate as to wether they should be culled or not.
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So
82% of Today Tonight Viewers?
What a great cross section of the community
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Agreed Paul.
Agreed Paul.
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Yes Im surprised by the 82%
Yes Im surprised by the 82% ..if thats true id be very surprised ... and Im not one of them. I dont believe they need to be protected anymore .
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82% of knobs sitting watching tv
who probably dont fish dive swim go anywhere near the ocean!!!
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opsrey
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82% of tree jiggers hug trees
So what that 82% of dangerous Great White huggers do not want dangerous Great White sharks kulled.
Kulling 10 Great White sharks each year in SW WA will have no impact on the World population of Great White sharks, and the SW WA community can have Great White shark safe water ways again.
This season alone at least six Great White sharks have been trained to interact with fishing people in Cockburn sound. These sharks ranged in size from 2 to 4 meters, and will be back next year now they have learnt to play with people. Next season they will all be a little bigger.
Put it to a referendum at the next election?
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6 great whites you say
how do you come to this figure, how are they individualy identified. don't put me with the tree huggers or others radicials but untill there is solid scientific proof that the numbers have jumped to such a level that they shopuld no longer be classified as endangered lets not jump as some knee jerk assumptions or actions. there are enough people out there now wanting to kill everything that swims or they don't understand
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firstly 'Cull', With a 'c'.
firstly 'Cull', With a 'c'.
The statement about killing 10, not affecting population, yet being able to swim safely... is a complete contradiction.
If killing 10 sharks will have no impact on population, how does it make the water safe again? If you mean reducing the local population, thereby making it safer in a specific area, then yer that might be true but only for as long as there are no dangerous Great White sharks filling its spot. Most of us have read/seen/heard by now that dangerous Great White sharks can roam huge distances, like from Africa to Australia, so there isn't always a 'local' population. They'll go where they can find food, such as cockburn during the pinkies, which makes them 'local' for only a certain time.
And why only 10? what if you kill 10 in six months and 8 more show up? What if they're breeding somewhere else and just keep turning up in populated areas? The logical thing to do is go kill them at their breeding area too.
The best solution as far as safety is concerned is a complete blanket cull of dangerous Great White sharks.
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That's why it would be good
That's why it would be good to set up a voting system on fishwrecked. Can this be done? Mr moderator?
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Good call opsrey. How much
Good call opsrey. How much longer be for vigilantes start taking this into their own hands. Specialy now the ban is on. ;)
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milsey
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The question was destined for
The question was destined for that result, I don’t believe in a “cull” but I do believe in removing a few of the larger ones. Mabye AQUA and fisheries should team up and put one in a tank, i would pay to see one and im sure so would lots others. Win Win
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I like the idea & I'd pay to
I like the idea & I'd pay to go see one to but that would have to be one hell of a tank. Every bit as big as the main display at AQWA now & that will cost millions. If fisheries was involved guess who would have to pay for that tank. Can anyone say "increased licence fees"?
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on the same page Milsey...but
on the same page Milsey...but I always get a funny look suggesting enclosing a groyne from the existing rockwall and groyne near the the old coogee shacks ...and put the big fellows in there ...surely wouldn't be that hard just got to feed them and would most certainly be unique to the world
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Great whites can't be kept in
Great whites can't be kept in captivity. It a wild ocean out there people and us humans want to go and fuck with it as usual to suit our purposes. I don't have any answers but surely some of the eminent brains trust can figure some sort of system out. You want to dive you take the risks like I used to. It's highly emotive when someone does get attacked and killed level heads needed. Some decent funds need to be put to this by the government.
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Was having a laugh more than
Was having a laugh more than anything, I wouldn’t blink an eyelid if it happened tho. This on the other hand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7deClndzQw
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How cruel,all those fish
How cruel,all those fish should be released back into the sea where they belong.
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That would be good to see
That would be good to see milsey. There would only be one fish in that tank lol.
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Funny how the problem is
Funny how the problem is confined to wa but many people here have decided that the world population of great whites is not endangered. The fact is nobody knows if thier numbers have increased dramatically or not. What people on here know is that there are a few more hanging around wa than there are most other years. Not really surprising considering the last season or two have been above average for most regular fish species. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out there's more sharks here now because there's more food for them than usual. Like any other fish, they go where the food is. I'm in favour of culling them but only if solid research proves there is a legit reason to do so.
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the split would be closer to
the split would be closer to 50/50 in reality ...regardless of their opinion everyone is entitled to it and because we all abide in a democratic way of life , neither party has any right to dictate to the other and attain 100% of what they want...so the right thing to do is find middle ground , and unfortunately a modest cull is the right thing to do otherwise more people will be killed...unless some bright spark can work out a way we can live in harmony, which hasn't as yet been forthcoming...and by saying the catchcry " keep out the water " isn't going to cut it when parents get a knock on their door regarding their child who was just swimming close to shore...it's not a matter of if but when , unless something is done unfortunately
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Six GW's in Cockburn
Has there been any attacks in Cockburn sound? To get answers to many questions about this sharks ongoing research is required. If we start reducing their numbers we obvisually reduce the likely hood of an attack. The fatalities have been from Wedge Island through to Margaret River (correct me if I'm wrong) with many more incounters reported. How far from the shore line have these attacks been? How far out do most people swim i.e. 0meters - 50metres ? Have some of these sharks become "locals"? or will they move on with the change in season? Could fisheries allow several professional operators target sharks so they can be tagged for tracking. I'm sure there will be a fair few people prepared to shell out some good coin to catch a GW. The Local government will be spending millions of dollars on control measures, will, the best solution be found. Time is not on their side. Colin Barnett was very tight lipped about the option the government were looking into, this government need to make a decision and and start rolling out a plan before these sharks are targeted by vigilantes. There's going to be a lot of divers starting to return to the water for the start of cray season and fora summer diver.For the people who enter the water to dive,swim, surf etc do need to take responsibility for their own actions. I've swam and snorkelled from Esperance to Broome knowing that every time I enter the water I did so with the possibility of an encounter with a shark, which I did have spearfishing of Exmouth. So where do we start and stop culling? To me if a individual shark can be identified and monitored apply this research to more sharks at the same time. If a shark is posing a continuous threat to swimmers along popular beaches have it removed/culled. I don't support a wholesale cull on GW's but we need to protect our beaches and swimmers. A persons life is more important/valuable than a sharks. Swim pools ocean style? Electronic deterents? Nets? Shark warning systems like the Ipod app? To all everyone in and on the water be safe and take care.
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one in cockburn wes F
that was last year! plus one in warnbro a few years before
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I'm sure they're there
The occasional one sound more realistic
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are you guys talking about
are you guys talking about the 20yr old woman that was attacked and survived a couple years back doing a tour guide? if so do u want to know her views of shark culling? she is deadset against it.she was before she was attacked, she still is after the attack.
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Voting
You can hardly call it an accurate poll when you can vote as many times as your wallet and phone bill will let you, you'd have to take the results with a 100KG bag not a pinch of salt.
Its the main reason why people don't watch these singing and dancing bullshit programs because all they do is make money from every sucker who rings in to vote and make a profit for the station
Any sort of cull isn't going to succeed unless you get the one shark that has done the majority of these attacks IMO.
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"the one shark that has done
"the one shark that has done the majority of these attacks"? Why do you think it is just one shark doing most of the attacks?
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Learnt
IMO one has learnt the easy way to get a quick feed and isn't slow on moving on its travels. Admittedly I'm not an expert and don't pretend to be one but the regularity of attacks and when they stopped suggests that there was one that was doing a bog lap up the coast and given time it will return and possibly we will see more of the same again.
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82% of the seven elderly
82% of the seven elderly people that voted are against the cull.
I wonder if fisheries make it public when a shark gets caught?
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82%
82% say no WTF If a dog mauls a person we put it down If a shark kills a person we do nothing typical
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we know which dog did the biting
we can't tell which shark did the biting
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Solution maybe
We here are asking for some middle ground. Maybe at the common beaches (Scarborough, Trigg, etc) could there be a swimming pool setup like the one over east allowing people to swim and sharks to swim together seperated by a wall. Also can any research be used from the South African beaches supposedly having a shark problem as well?
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Interestingly though on
Interestingly though on Ninemsn facebook site they had a voting pole on the 27 of September(of course probably with the age of alot of FW members they wouldnt have Facebook accounts so wouldnt have known about this poll or been able to vote i am guessing). And you could only vote once.
But the results of that poll were
87% No to culling of GW's
13% Yes.
So really not too different to the Today Tonight poll.
Just so everyone knows i voted no to culling. And yes i have had a family member killed by a GW.
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my deepest sympathy and my admiration
yyou have my sympathy on your loss and my admiration for the strength of your belief which has been so strongly tested by tragic events
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no
I would vote no as well, personally I don't think killing one or a few hundred will make a difference, they will always be there and that is just the way the water goes. You take your chances driving to work every day and theres a good chance you can be killed, you go for a swim theres a chance you could be killed, I know which one is way liklier to happen first...
Lifes a risk, this is just another one in my opinion, sure we could mitigate it by reducing their numbers, but the whole point of protecting them in the first place was to stop them from being endangered. Either way its just a shit situation to be in. :(
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Damn
Is driving that dangerous, especially to work!!!!
Gives me a great excuse not to turn up. It might kill me.
I am no to a cull too, but yes if we can destroy the threatening ones, and Yes - I am a rogue theorist like carnarvonite.
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leave the sharks alone. as
leave the sharks alone. as mentioned before, there is no proof as to which shark does the damage.they are only doing what comes naturally to them. we go out and kill for food
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Instead of having shitloads
Instead of having shitloads of helicopters just flying around looking for them and making it a media frenzy they should spot as many and have multiple boats out there to tag as many as they can with gps tracking.That way after a year we'd have a decent amount of them tagged and then we can see whether they are the same sharks or different. Cull would be a last resort right? I just think we aren't attempting to do anything major to study what the hells going on it seems if we spot one it's 'oh shit another shark spotted lets broadcast it yet again' or they just drive it out to sea with no tags. Also what happens if we suddenly also have a population of tigers and hammerheads that start attacking cull them too? We'd end up like Asia! it's a very hard topic, i know if anyone of my brothers or mates got done surfing or diving id be cut so i can feel for the families that want them gone. I think my family know how i feel though if i got chomped-leavem alone. But I still stand with if we can pinpoint the rogue attacker then yes take it out. All these dog attacker statements make me laugh. If one attacks we take them out, not the whole breed do we!! They are really random acts, I'm 25 and have been in the water since I was 7 so I can't put the number of surfs/dives/water ski I've had 5000+. Odds are pretty low! I've also never seen one, my friends that have though have changed their minds and say cull simply at how big and scary they are. Super hard topic!!
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Shouldn't we be cleaning up
Shouldn't we be cleaning up the streets first people get attacked more walking to the shops than swimming in the ocean, it's even happening at a soccer presentation night in Balga!
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exactly, cull the rapists and
exactly, cull the rapists and murderes who are out to harm people for the thrill, not trying to survive
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I have to agree..
..we want to kill sharks, who are doing what comes naturally to then in their back yard and don't know that they are doing anything wrong, but we give people, who some of you say are the "dominant" more intelligent species who can think for themselves and know the consequences of their actions, a slap on the wrist for killing other people with things like king-hits, stabbings etc…
Also I am not some "Greeny" numbnut but I think our focus on what is wrong with the world around us has gone out of focus!!!!!!
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Eaten
If I get eaten I want the sharks jaws on my grave. Just so you guys know in case.
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dont think pointing out that
dont think pointing out that the 82% that voted are people just sitting behind the idiot box and never go near the ocean is correct.
Something else should to be considered. Tourism. WA or more specifically Perth is now known world wide for having multiple man eating sharks along the local beaches. I travel to Europe often for work, and when people find out im from Perth, the first question is about the sharks.
Now im not saying killing or culling them is the right thing to do, but 'removing a couple of the larger ones that come closer to the beaches might not be such a bad thing. Perth relies on tourism for many jobs, and many tourists come to Perth for the weather and the beaches. I'm sure many small business struggle when there is a down turn in tourism.
Howmany people do you speak to now days who say they no longer go to the beach, no longer surf, no longer kayak in the ocean? I had this discussion with people at work only just the other day.
Just a different perspective.
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Not discounting what you are
Not discounting what you are saying at all Bodie. But i think the bigger thing that would be affecting tourism in Australia both domestic and foreign tourists is our strong aussie dollar. I know for the last few years i personnally have been taking advantage of our strong dollar and be holidaying as much as i can overseas. E.g i think the yanks liked coming here in the late 90's when we were only 55c to the US$. But not now ours is worth more.
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I couldnt give a shit what
I couldnt give a shit what happens to the sharks, if people are prepared to take risks for their recreational desires, so be it, I see it as being selfish really, the poor families having to deal with the greif cos a loved one chose recreation over eliminating the risk of death from shark attack. Take swimmers for instance, swim in low light, or dirty water and increase the chances tenfold, whats wrong with a pool, the poor family of the bloke killed this year. Ienjoy freediving only had minimal experience but I wont do it if I feel im at risk, I have a family to think of. I drive cars and ride bikes hard but im in control, you cant control a wild animal. Humans are themost dominant evolved species on earth so we deserve to have first right to life and there are many ways to prevent death in all walks of life, but those preventions in essential day to day activities are far more important than in recreational activities. Kill the sharks, bit like, lets make smoking safe. I love my friends and family more than my hobbies, easy descision
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Broome fisheries don't even
Broome fisheries don't even have a boat so who would be doing the culling here in broome and also the oceans for fishing not swimming :)
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It's completely unacceptable
It's completely unacceptable how many deaths there are in the ocean. We should be eradicating all sources of possible death in the ocean. As the ocean is currently a wild place, we will have to reclaim it, so all animals in it are no longer wild and we can feel completely unguilty slaughtering all nomadic animals that slaughter it.
Number one priority is to eradicate the largest source of death on our WA coastline! Water! This evil insidous substances has killed more than twice the number of people that sharks have in the last 12 months. To make it safe for people to go into the ocean, we must drain it! Two birds with one stone!
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Versus
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Ahh, finally someone that
Ahh, finally someone that agrees with me. everybody is whinging and nit-picking over the merits of some little cull when the obvious solution is complete eradication.
Maybe we could convince the Japs that dangerous Great White sharks make tasty- taste sashimi?
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Thank Goodness
Tyrannosaurus Rex is now extinct ...because I'm sure there'd be a lobby group dictating they have every right to exist among us and happily accept the ever increasing human victims and the catchcry would be " Leave your cave at your own risk " ...what do we just let these sharks and others grow in numbers for all eternity??? ...surely there has to a be point were things start getting out of balance ...not just talking about the human toll
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We must also cull cigarettes
We must also cull cigarettes because they kill a shit load more people than sharks. Oops forgot the government isn't making crap loads of money taxing sharks are they ???
Same could be said for drunk drivers maybe we should cull them again a lot more deaths than from sharks ???
Just a lot of media driven hype as usual.
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MetroMako
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slaughter it.
im pretty sure a human live is worth more then a sharks?
well some of them anyway.
whats the bet another will be lost this summer! if it kiled someone in your family or friend
i think most of you would be quick to change your decision.or not?
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Leave the bloody things
Leave the bloody things alone if you want to go out and play in or on the ocean then accept the risk or stay home.