Reef picks
Submitted by scotto on Sun, 2013-11-24 11:42
Anyone used these mooloolabar pick anchors? Any experiences on their performance? Thoughts?
i need a decent reef pick for the dinghy, and I'm not a massive fan of the traditional reef anchors, as I've had 2 let go (bend) whilst diving... Not fun.
Wouldn't be too hard to make my own either.
Auslobster
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Interesting...
....looks like it wouldn't have any "give" if it gets stuck, though. When I'm diving, I actually use my sand anchor....I make sure it's well and truly wedged into the reef when I begin the dive, pull it out at the end...that's on SCUBA, freediving may be a different kettle of fish. Never had any dramas doing that, or when using the reefy while fishing, and that's with a 5.8m boat.
Swompa
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If your anchor is giving way
If your anchor is giving way under the weight of a swinging boat then wouldn't it mean that it's too light?
scotto
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Nah not necessarily,
To be honest, both times were a stupidly strong easterly blowing, and prob not enough chain didn't help.
The standard reef picks are designed to bend under load, to make retrieval easier, but combine that with the 2 above factors, it was no wonder it failed.
big john
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Shorten
Also helps if you shorten the reef pick prongs a bit too scotto, less leverage. Does mean you often have to 'pull' the pick free with the aid of the outboard though.
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Swompa
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Personally I have not used
Personally I have not used one, but I was under the impression that they should be strong enough to require some fairly strong encouragement via an outboard, to become dislodged.
Rob H
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you should never leave a boat
you should never leave a boat unattended with a reef pick, whether diving or otherwise.
The only accepted and proper way is a suitable anchor into sand or mud.
Anything else is less than optimum seamanship
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Lamby
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I have often thought you need
I have often thought you need to take a magnanimous approach with your posts, pretty much ended with this one.
Rob H
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sorry you feel that way Lamb,
sorry you feel that way Lamb, and I'll edit it as I did type it in a hurry.
But thats a way it is, and is why any boat in survey must carry plough or similar sand/mud type anchors
edit-cant edit it for some reason?
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Lamby
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Contrite on my behalf? Doubt
Contrite on my behalf? Doubt it champ & besides not any issue between us as we both know we could not GAF either way. However not being an isolated incident I don't see the point of making a show to shut the gate when the horse is well & truly down the road.
I know plenty of diver's that hate sand anchors & lose heaps with a preference to use two reefies, so getting back to the topic of Scotto's post & the spirit of FW in helping each other has anyone used one of these & are they any good?
Rob H
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correct. Scotto seems a
correct.
Scotto seems a fairly robust individual from his previous posts so probably wasn't necessary to jump in guns blazing.
Lets leave it there?
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Lamby
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Done
Done
scotto
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Yeah no worries,
I'll just sacrifice a $50 sand anchor every time I dive then shall I?
Pretty silly post rob.
Rob H
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Youve seen it for yourself
Youve seen it for yourself Scott. If you use a reef pick and it straightens-then what?
Best is to anchor in sand next to your dive spot if you dont have someone on board.
Reason? A sand anchor will (usually) drag and pick up again. The reef pick just keeps on going.
Even weedy bottom with a sand anchor can pull up a clump and fail to hold again.
Thats why a reef pick (while useful) never counts as ground tackle for any boat in survey
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axey45
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Ive always used sand anchors
Ive always used sand anchors in reef, only lost one had to cut it as stuck and was to rough and didnt have float to attach. If you drive up along your rope and past anchor you shouldnt have a problem unless it lands in a hole, then sit over it and jiggle it out or dive on it.
Vinesh87
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Yeh i am with rob on this one
Personally i am with rob on this one we use them when fishing and staying in the boat but no way would i use one when diving. I always try to drop it on sand and check it once i go down and move to where ever i need too.
But if they bend they must have been too small / light ? Those points should grab the reef pretty well.
I have always liked anchors that you can attach at the head and cable tie shank end for easy retrieval!
Bunny
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I'm surprised it bent
I'm surprised it bent without the assistance of an outboard. I have used them heaps and honestly can't remember that ever happening so it must have been a fairly light gauge one. Aside from that yes that other one will work with a reasonable amount of chain. Just be sure to use a cable tie or something on the main end with the shackle on the other for times and you need to use the out word to snap the cable tie and lift the anchor from the other end. Like the reef pick though make sure the cable tie is strong enough to hold in normal conditions.
having said all that with enough chain once hooked on reef a typical reef anchor will be fine. Like the guys said above though a mud pick will sort it out good and proper.
lastcast
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with rob on this one
i don't want to meet the fisho who has nothing to learn about
Seamanship. Certainly not with me out in his boat anyway.
I know i've picked up a couple of tips on this forum.
And dry land is a good place to absorb a bit of wisdom.
Keep it comin Rob.
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i drop my anchor on the reef
i drop my anchor on the reef every time without fail. Use my sand anchor on the winch and make sure i drop down the line and wedge it in nicely at the start of the dive. I actually drop a reef anchor (prong style) as well so always have 2 anchors out when no one is left on the boat. There has been times the sand anchor gets stuck and I have had to go back to get it though.
Back to the topis at hand though would be keen to see if these reef anchors work, i like the prongs to be able to wedge them in nice and tight and know the boat will drag it out if need be.
JimmyG
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Slip ring anchor
That would be my recommendation.
They are cheap, will stick in sand and reef, and can be easily retrieved using the motor if they get stuck in the reef.
As others have mentioned make sure you have enough chain, and let out enough line for the conditions.
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Grapnel
Scott's I us a five pronged grapnel anchor , the prongs are not very long so they don't tend to straighten out to easily , my other tip is I always start and finish my dive at the anchor and come up the rope , that way I ensure my anchor is set well before my dive and when ready to surface I move the anchor clear of any obstructions to ensure a easy retrieval
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Wow! I have a reef anchor I
Wow! I have a reef anchor I made myself with 12mm round bar prongs. It's never failed, that said I have a good 5m of chain hanging off the end and it works beautifully in sand as well if the wind aint blowing too hard. If I do drop it on coral bottom I always need to drive it off. Might have to make you one Scotto. When I used to dive I woould always swim down the anchor line and place it in a good wedged spot and as above swim back up the line.
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scotto
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Andy's Anchors!
Good business opportunity there! All the ones in the shops look either cheap and nasty, or overpriced and over engineered.
Youre bang on it Andy, good gauge prongs (about 10-12mm thick), reasonably short length (about 300mm) so they're harder to bend, and on a good 24-28mm solid shaft for weight and strength. Galv that bitch, and you've got an anchor for life!
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SS
How much for a stainless steel jobby Andy? 12mm prongs for a 6.1m ali.
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axey45
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All the reef anchors ive
All the reef anchors ive bought or have seen are piss weak.
Bunny
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Strewth if you use 12mm
Strewth if you use 12mm stainless you will struggle to bend it at all!! 10 mm tops and lots of chain.
big john
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Drag
Yeah but I'll never drag bunny!
Just kidding btw, I'm too cheap to get a ss job.
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DM
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I use the same anchor as in
I use the same anchor as in the photo...
It holds absurdly well, I use around 15m of chain which no doubt helps.
Either way I wouldn't hesitate to recomend it as this is my anchor of choice for a large variety of sea floors.
I would agree running a second anchor on a seperate line is worth while if your not in the boat or if your sleeping just in case your rope breaks... i feel this is of benefit over tandem anchor setup. That being said don't leave the second anchor too short or with the rising tide you might end up with a submarine.
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timboon
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Its funny this topic has come
Its funny this topic has come up,
Scotto recently I thought I'd buy my way into the Inlaws new Razorline by rigging them up a beaut anchor set up as they lost a reefy fishing on their first outing... I had 50m of new 16mm Nylon rope laying around in the shed at home so I took that to Gerro where they live expecting to be easily able to buy them a good 5 prong reef anchor ( the type that have the shackle ring on both ends ) so I ended up going to 5 Marine dealers and none of them had a decent pre bent strong 5 prong reefy with the shackle points at both ends, they all stocked the light gauge bend your self no shackle point on the front end type so I ended up bringing one back across the border from Streaky Bay a month ago... I've had my same anchor over ten years and using 5mtrs of chain and the cable tie method I've never had a problem with my setup... Once you've made Scotto one I suggest kicking of your anchor business in Gerro Andy!!
Paul H
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Have the same set up (shackle
Have the same set up (shackle to prong end cable tie chain to other end) with a heavy gauge prong anchor, jammed it a few times and last time struggled to break the cable ties even using the motor, ended up breaking them eventually and got it back with one slightly bent prong. They take some bending - was pulling the front of the boat down. took some bending back too....
Seen plenty of the light gauge ones around - they look cheap.
Funnily enough got mine in Ceduna. Make sure you stick some wire through he shackles - undone shackle was how I lost my last one in Smoky Bay - Dad had stuffed hands and didn't tighten with pliers all mine are now wired.
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sea-kem
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Ha ha cheers mate. I have a
Ha ha cheers mate. I have a few irons in the fire at the moment with ideas for the summer.
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timboon
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Yep agree Paul, light staino
Yep agree Paul, light staino wire prevents loss... I keep tiny cable ties in the boat especially for the pick and usually have two one tightish and another looser tying the chain off so if one does let go accidentally the other will hold... I've forgotten to take ties before and used a double wrap of 80lb mono and its bullshit how much both the ties and the line can take to snap sometimes....
Ben85
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good topic this one, my
good topic this one, my 2cents-
I have a few different styles on the boat which I interchange as needed with a D-Shackle (reef pick, Plough and Sarca). When fishing its always the reef pick as its light and easy to pull and if it gets stuck can always get it back with a bit of HP. Don't trust it with diving though, it has come free a number of times while fishing.
For diving (which I have only just started doing) we only use the sarca or plough which are heavy and have never experienced one slip. just check it when swimming down the anchor line and that's it. The only negative with the sarca or plough is if they get stuck in the reef they can be impossible to get out when back up in the boat and they are quite expensive. So always check that it or the chain is not snagged up before ascending and you should be ok. When retrieving always drive slowly towards the anchor while retrieving rope until you drive over it, that way it doesn't get pulled into a snag