He has got one( new guide). Look at page 10 . First for me also. Well distributed by the sounds ( joke). Chase one up for yourself . Not bull--it.Wouldn't put up if I made it up . Went to get tanks filled seen it on wall??????
Some small brain type of Neanderthal is obviously very bored and is thinking I'll stir up the diving community.
I have just looked up the latest guide online and there is no mention at all about this sort of crap, nor does the governing legislation make any reference to this .
It could just be (and I hope I'm wrong) that some over zealous government type putting out a tacky notice to see just what sort of reaction from the diving community such a change would generate.
The first thing that shows it is crap is it is not on any official letterhead paper.
Next if you look up (and I did) the Rec fishing guide for rock lobster there is no such amendment.
Also can you imagine any diving association sitting quite about such a dramatic change.
There is no listing of this sort of thing on the fisheries site about a press release of this change which would surely happen to get the widest publicity of the change.
Lastly I believe that all persons (mainly divers) who are stopped by fisheries should raise the matter with the fisheries officers and let your views on the matter be know, in a very polite manner, remember the field officers don't write legislation or changers to the rules.
As a closure all members of this site should copy the notice from this site and email the minister pointing out that a judge has made a ruling about this matter, and noting his ruling is being appealed, however until the appeal has been won the current legislation and guide is extant, and as a matter of good grace a formal rebuttal of this mischievous publication should be made.
I have just re-read the 2016/2017 guide thoroughly and as the front cover of the guide did not have any red flag to indicate a new rule/law I missed it on my first scanning of the guide.
The front cover of the 2015/2016 guide has 3 red flags high lighting new laws, the 2016/2017 guide front cover has 2 red flags high lighting the 2 new changes to how to keep cray tails and pot specifications.
I made the foolish mistake of presuming that they where the only changes made in the publication and a quick look through confirmed that these were the only areas which had red flags against them.
My bad mistake.
I offer my apologies to fellow members for my mistake and comments based on such.
My only criticism of the new publication is that the relevant change, and it is a change has not been flagged.
Ive noticed a few changes throughout the latest guide that have not been flagged or highlighted.
I don't like to bag fisheries, but they still cant get these guidelines right or clear .
Getting way to hard, takes the fun out of a dive with the mates. Too many rules, tank tests yearly, and shark hugging greenies are destroying an enjoyable activity, expect to have fisheries boat side when ascending from every dive now. The practicallity of Identifying and sizing crays in a dark ledge, bad vis with a bit of swell is marginal at best. Pretty standard West coast conditions!
It's hard enough to get them into the bag, let alone giving them a full once over, sure enough you can notice black spot and berried up females, looks like it is males only for me.
Well that clears up a grey area, So now make sure you only come up with 8 in your bag, Tar spot, setose or under size and your busted. So now they have amended the guide will they be dropping the charges they made last year???
So the rules allow potters to "upgrade" even after Crays have been out of the water dead on the deck for over 45 minutes, yet divers can get pinged for not being able to count at thirty meters under while constantly looking over your shoulder
Dumper, not sure why you would have crays on the deck for 45 minutes. You must tail clip your crays within 5 minutes of taking the cray from the water.
There's always people that will upgrade wether the tails are clipped or not. Say Barry has two pots out and goes on a solo mission. First pot he pulls he has 7 keepers just sized that he clips the tails and throws into a bucket. He rebaits his pot, relocates it and heads off to find his next pot. After dodging 400 meters of loose rope, dodgy divers and pot thieves, he finally manages to pull his next pot which happens to have 8 of the biggest juiciest Crays he's ever seen. He returns 7 Crays back to the drink as he knows fisheries are in the area and he doesn't want to exceed his limit. I'll bet my left nut it won't be the jumbos swimming free
I would argue it doesn't say who's bag limit?! Come up with 16, old mate doing the right thing on board keeping an eye on things. I have simply achieved "our bag limit".
Might be time to drop a 'stunt' pot just before each dive and load the catch into the pot before surfacing. Back onboard with no crays in the catch bag and then pull the pot.
scotto
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Bool farkin sheet
first I've seen or heard of it LJ.
doesn't look official to me, no letter head, dept logo, date, who its from, etc.
little johnny
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Dive shop scotto
He has got one( new guide). Look at page 10 . First for me also. Well distributed by the sounds ( joke). Chase one up for yourself . Not bull--it.Wouldn't put up if I made it up . Went to get tanks filled seen it on wall??????
snappermiles
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setose
how do you see setose under water clearly? from what i heard last year they were drying fins and caressing the hairs to see if they had setose
ALL FISHERMEN ARE LIARS EXCEPT YOU AND ME! AND IM NOT SO SURE ABOUT YOU!
meglodon
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What a load of crap
Some small brain type of Neanderthal is obviously very bored and is thinking I'll stir up the diving community.
I have just looked up the latest guide online and there is no mention at all about this sort of crap, nor does the governing legislation make any reference to this .
It could just be (and I hope I'm wrong) that some over zealous government type putting out a tacky notice to see just what sort of reaction from the diving community such a change would generate.
The first thing that shows it is crap is it is not on any official letterhead paper.
Next if you look up (and I did) the Rec fishing guide for rock lobster there is no such amendment.
Also can you imagine any diving association sitting quite about such a dramatic change.
There is no listing of this sort of thing on the fisheries site about a press release of this change which would surely happen to get the widest publicity of the change.
Lastly I believe that all persons (mainly divers) who are stopped by fisheries should raise the matter with the fisheries officers and let your views on the matter be know, in a very polite manner, remember the field officers don't write legislation or changers to the rules.
As a closure all members of this site should copy the notice from this site and email the minister pointing out that a judge has made a ruling about this matter, and noting his ruling is being appealed, however until the appeal has been won the current legislation and guide is extant, and as a matter of good grace a formal rebuttal of this mischievous publication should be made.
By the way I'm not a diver.
Alan James
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I suggest you have another read of pages 5 and 6.
meglodon
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Corrected
Please see my correction to this subject below post by Allan
meglodon
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I stand corrected
You are 100% right Allan.
I have just re-read the 2016/2017 guide thoroughly and as the front cover of the guide did not have any red flag to indicate a new rule/law I missed it on my first scanning of the guide.
The front cover of the 2015/2016 guide has 3 red flags high lighting new laws, the 2016/2017 guide front cover has 2 red flags high lighting the 2 new changes to how to keep cray tails and pot specifications.
I made the foolish mistake of presuming that they where the only changes made in the publication and a quick look through confirmed that these were the only areas which had red flags against them.
My bad mistake.
I offer my apologies to fellow members for my mistake and comments based on such.
My only criticism of the new publication is that the relevant change, and it is a change has not been flagged.
grantarctic1
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Ive noticed
Ive noticed a few changes throughout the latest guide that have not been flagged or highlighted.
I don't like to bag fisheries, but they still cant get these guidelines right or clear .
little johnny
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Is it in there?
I haven't seen copy yet.
Boydy
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Sure is
Got my renewal and guide this week in the mail.
little johnny
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Joke
Not in fisheries act or legislation . Wouldn't stand in court room. Can't have contradicting rules. Or contradict themselves.
Starbug
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Yes..... not in the
Yes..... not in the legislation. I wonder if they are preempting a change?
Chinbald
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For f### sake
Getting way to hard, takes the fun out of a dive with the mates. Too many rules, tank tests yearly, and shark hugging greenies are destroying an enjoyable activity, expect to have fisheries boat side when ascending from every dive now. The practicallity of Identifying and sizing crays in a dark ledge, bad vis with a bit of swell is marginal at best. Pretty standard West coast conditions!
always late
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It's hard enough to get them
It's hard enough to get them into the bag, let alone giving them a full once over, sure enough you can notice black spot and berried up females, looks like it is males only for me.
Walfootrot
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http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Doc
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/Documents/recreational_fishing/licences/rec_licence_rock_lobster.pdf
Well that clears up a grey area, So now make sure you only come up with 8 in your bag, Tar spot, setose or under size and your busted. So now they have amended the guide will they be dropping the charges they made last year???
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
dumper
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So the rules allow potters
So the rules allow potters to "upgrade" even after Crays have been out of the water dead on the deck for over 45 minutes, yet divers can get pinged for not being able to count at thirty meters under while constantly looking over your shoulder
bradz
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5 minutes
Dumper, not sure why you would have crays on the deck for 45 minutes. You must tail clip your crays within 5 minutes of taking the cray from the water.
I did then the best that I knew how. When I knew better, I did better.
dumper
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There's always people that
There's always people that will upgrade wether the tails are clipped or not. Say Barry has two pots out and goes on a solo mission. First pot he pulls he has 7 keepers just sized that he clips the tails and throws into a bucket. He rebaits his pot, relocates it and heads off to find his next pot. After dodging 400 meters of loose rope, dodgy divers and pot thieves, he finally manages to pull his next pot which happens to have 8 of the biggest juiciest Crays he's ever seen. He returns 7 Crays back to the drink as he knows fisheries are in the area and he doesn't want to exceed his limit. I'll bet my left nut it won't be the jumbos swimming free
Saulty2
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typical us and them mentality
and completely misleading ,to the point of being factually insulting.
dumper
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Far from it. I own pots as
Far from it. I own pots as well as dive. Just think the divers are getting the shitty end of the stick this time round
Saulty2
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not questioning the wright or wrong- shitty end of the stick
but ur {45minutes }is down right insulting to all potters ,or maybe thats what u do ?
dumper
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Probably longer than 45
Probably longer than 45 minutes with a boat that pulls 6 pots, especially this time of year when people have pots in different depths
sea-kem
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My 4 pots pulling and
My 4 pots pulling and rebaiting takes 20 mins max
Love the West!
dumper
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It's a just a hypothetical
It's a just a hypothetical situation, let's not turn it into dick swinging comp.
sea-kem
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Ha ha but I know you like it
Ha ha but I know you like it Dumper
Love the West!
Saulty2
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message sent
Jsmolly
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I would argue it doesn't say
I would argue it doesn't say who's bag limit?! Come up with 16, old mate doing the right thing on board keeping an eye on things. I have simply achieved "our bag limit".
Absolutely no differrence to pot sharers!
Walfootrot
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LOL Good luck with that.
LOL Good luck with that.
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
little johnny
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they have to drop charges
Otherwise they will look pretty dumb.( hypocrites). Still not law .:):)
tiimmbo
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Might be time to drop a
Might be time to drop a 'stunt' pot just before each dive and load the catch into the pot before surfacing. Back onboard with no crays in the catch bag and then pull the pot.
sea-kem
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I like your thinking mate.
I like your thinking mate.
Love the West!
dumper
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What happens if two divers
What happens if two divers are sharing the 1 dive bag?
little johnny
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Good point dumper
Sea kem that's what you would call perfect placed pot.
sea-kem
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Love the West!