Tackle failure
Hi
In my last 2 trips out wide, I've lost / dropped 4 good sized fish.
1 failed at the crimp, 1 was a broken swivel, 1 a hook break off at the knot and 1 came off close to the boat when I had to stop due to a tangle with another guy on the boat
Questions are
1 - broken swivel was a 1/0 - 1 which I believe is rated at 200 plus lbs and 160 lbs on the smaller side. Is this big enough. I have upsized to 2/0 - 1/0 swivels for the next trip out.
2 - is there a definitive table as to the best size crimp for a given line size. I always used to try get as close to the line size as possible, but I now believe that the crimp might cut into the line if too small
3 - Use a nail knot at the swivel and snells at the hooks
I've been using black magic leader, but will try a korean brand next. Has a smaller diameter than black magic so can use heavier line.
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The Saint
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Ericl,I stopped using that
Ericl,
I stopped using that type of swivel several years ago after having a couple fail exactly as yours has.
Brody
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What pound line and what
What pound line and what type of crimp are you using?
Uni Knot for anything up to 150lb for me. Crimp over that. Never crimp right to the edge for mono.
Any swivel can break, gonna get a shit one here and there. May as well go a bit bigger for a three way crane while bottom bashing, the fish wont care. 2/0x1/0 is normally good.
Black Magic Supple is absolute rubbish, the tough ive never had a drama with.
Small diameter for a general mono leader used for bottom fishing is pointless IMO. Using a thinner 80lb compared to a thicker 60lb for example. They are both probably going to break at the same lb rating at the end of the day but the thicker line has more abrasion resistance. 70lb Schneider is the same thickness as a lot of 80-100lb but is fairly hard and also good abrasion resistance for example.
Theres a lot of bullshit out there, Its all personal preference and using stuff to work out what works for you.
Feral
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I prefer brass double
I prefer brass double crimps, The Ali ones can cut your line if it's crimped to hard. I've had good results with 2/0x1/0 shogun swivels.. Your main line strength will determine your rig strength, you almost want to aim at double. Pe6 I'd use 100lb, pe4 /80lb pe2/3 60lb
Billcollector
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Crimp should be snug when
Crimp should be snug when line is looped through and never crimp the ends of crimp just the middle, leave 3mm of line past the crimp . Use alloy crimps on mono. Jinkai for mono you can keep your black magic shit. Was the hook that broke an owner?
Lastchance
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Are you crimping the edges
Are you crimping the edges over or in the centre only?
VIC DORY
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Back the drag off a bit
Back the drag off a bit
little johnny
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Never had a swivel
On swivel break . Not using cheap version of shogun ?
Shark1
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bloody hell hate it when
bloody hell hate it when hardw3are goes - reckon u onto a bad batch - bin that bag - $7 aint worth a good fish
try this as a starter on crimping
diamondfishing.com/articles/can-you-trust-your-crimps/
https://www.fishing.net.nz/fishing-advice/how-to/gamefishing-crimping-techniques/
theres some info of common mistakes
it is possible to "crack/cut" the line inside of the crimp
best way to crimp is the commercial bolt cutters style ones but they dont make crimping dies under about 80lb
Ericl
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Will be using new gear
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little johnny
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Biggest I can
Only shogun. I think of memory 280 lb ones ( about inch long) only use them 3 to 4 trips and replace them. Buy them by the hundred. Heaps cheaper
anypuddle
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Shimano
Tiagra 120lb. Won't let you down.
Anywhere anytime
nebbian1
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I've had bad luck with the
I've had bad luck with the Black Magic stuff, threw out my two spools in disgust after another knot failed when testing (I load test all my gear in the shed before trying it on a fish)
Pretty much any mono is better than that stuff.
A good test for abrasion resistance is to clamp some mono in the bench vice, suspend a 10 kg weight from the end, then scrape it with some 60 grit sandpaper until it breaks. Repeat a few times, recording how many scrapes it takes, then do it again with all your different brands of line. You might be surprised at which preconceptions don't stand up to this test.
Faulkner Family
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I don't like crimped. Have
I don't like crimped. Have seen too many fish lost . If I lose a fish due to my knot failing it's my fault not a fault due to a crimp . Maybe on real heavy line they are good but not what I use
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