surtees 6.7 or crusie craft 625
Submitted by Hughesy on Wed, 2014-03-12 18:11
Hi guys need help cant decide between these two boats both caddy cabins Surtees has 200 verado cruise has 200 Honda. not worried about price it will be used for everything deep drop, bottom bashing, crabbing, pulling pots, flicking for flatty's, towing kids on some sort of floatation device etc. etc. Its hard they are both awesome boats and have both got show specials on them. any opinions or advice would be greatly appreciated. THANKYOU
JPARA
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Personally I would go for
Personally I would go for the glass boat but surteez are an awesome boat
Rob H
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they are such different boats
they are such different boats that Id find it hard to put them in a similar basket!
I assume the 625 is an Explorer? I have a 685 and find that for a knock around boat doing long island trips fibreglass is a little delicate.
But for impressing the missus, great ride and the best factory backup possible Cruisecraft cannot be beaten.
Incidentally Peter (CC rep) told me that the last 685 Outsider is being built now and then the mould will be broken up.
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scubafish
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crusie craft 625
Crusie craft 625 all the way.
Sleep on a ally boat and you will find out why fiberglass.
People say "but I have a 7mm hull" all well and good, but! they dont sink because of the thickness of the hull ,they all sink like a rock because they crack at the welds.And when it starts it keeps going like a can opener.
All the thickness in the world is not going to stop it cracking at the weld,bashing on the hull weakens the welds .
Have seen people go through choppy seas like the boat was unbreakable (ally)
It's like hitting the bottom of your boat with a block of concrete.
Crusie Craft is a well built boat.
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Rob H
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Cruisecraft is quality for
Cruisecraft is quality for sure but I think youve gone off the track there a bit with ally
I have both had rec ally and commercial ally boats plus spent decades
at sea on ally and steel (same problems??) boats and the only serious problems Ive seen were on a Qland built large cat.
Professional ally welders have no problems producing quality strong welds and the newer pulse migs make it even easier.
Ive been involved in quite a few new builds over the years
Cracking? just as prevalent on a poorly built glass boat as a poorly built ally-difference is that its often easier to fix the ally
The analogy of a block of concrete? A sledge hammer or localised similar force will go thru glass before ally
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sea-kem
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That's a pretty big
That's a pretty big statement Scuba. Got any evidence or examples to back that up? Welds will only crack when there's lack of fusion and or penetration. One thing I can say about welding Ali is that it's probably the easiest metal to get good pen while welding. The way the hull designs are you could probably tack a boat together and give it a good run and it won't crack. You should check your facts before making statements like that.
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What a croc of shit scubafish.
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Lastchance
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Scubafish, that is the
Scubafish, that is the biggest load of shit I have ever heard.
I will however trial your advice and sleep on my ally again soon, and hopefully see why I should go fibreglass. Haven't seen it in the last 6 years, but I'm sure it's just around the corner. I've only got a 6mm hull too - but I like living on the edge like a wild man from Borneo.
Ill keep you updated
Peter73
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Agree Sea-Kem, never heard
Agree Sea-Kem, never heard of Ali boat going to the bottom because of welds. I love my Ali.
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Material Yield strength(MPa) Ultimate strength
(MPa) Density
(g/cm³) Steel, structural ASTM A36 steel 0250 0400-0550 7.8 Steel, 1090 mild 0248 0841 7.58 Human skin 0015 0020 2.2 Steel, Micro-Melt 10 Tough Treated Tool (AISI A11)[6] 5171 5205 7.45 Steel, 2800 Maraging steel[7] 2617 2693 8.00 Steel, AerMet 340[8] 2160 2430 7.86 Steel, Sandvik Sanicro 36Mo logging cable Precision Wire[9] 1758 2070 8.00 Steel, AISI 4130, water quenched 855°C (1570°F), 480°C (900°F) temper[10] 0951 1110 7.85 Titanium 11 (Ti-6Al-2Sn-1.5Zr-1Mo-0.35Bi-0.1Si), Aged[11] 0940 1040 4.50 Steel, API 5L X65[12] 0448 0531 7.8 Steel, high strength alloy ASTM A514 0690 0760 7.8 Clear Acrylic cast sheet (PMMA)[13] 72 114[14] 1.16 High-density polyethylene (HDPE) 0026-0033 0037 0.95 Polypropylene 0012-0043 0019.7-80 0.91 Steel, stainless AISI 302 - Cold-rolled 0520[citation needed] 0860 8.19 Cast iron 4.5% C, ASTM A-48 0130 0200 "Liquidmetal" alloy[citation needed] 1723 0550-1600 6.1 Beryllium[15] 99.9% Be 0345 0448 01.84 Aluminium alloy[16] 2014-T6 0414 0483 2.8 Polyester resin (unreinforced)[17] 0055 Polyester and Chopped Strand Mat Laminate 30% E-glass[17] 0100 S-Glass Epoxy composite[18] 2358 Aluminium alloy 6061-T6 0241 0300 2.7
looks like the old fibreglass may have less tensile strength, but thats only part of the eqasion, check out the human skin! , odd thing to put in there I thought.
the first figure after the blue material type is the comparision.( material yield strength)
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nico
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There is no use comparing
There is no use comparing structural integrity between glass and ally,do any of you have an idea what stitched cloths and resins are used in the Cruise Craft and where hull laminates are beefed up lots of variants at play if you don't know the hull layup.The cruise craft would be my pick a little more polished though if your hard on your toys the surtees would be the way to go
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catchalittle
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personally go for a surtees
personally go for a surtees you wont regret it they are awesome boats and plenty of member have been out with me and agree how soft the ride is and how well they are built
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I was extremely impressed by
I was extremely impressed by Catchalittle's 6.7m
It gets my vote for comfortable ride and stability
scubafish
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Thank You
What can I say thank you for your cameo comments ,you have just convinced me that my opinion is just that my opinion.
I would never speak to anyone in that manner congratulations.
So in saying that i will take my 35 years & three boats of opinion's and leave you with it.
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Rob H
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relax mate, you put up a
relax mate, you put up a strongly worded opinion and got a bit of the same back from one or two but nothing over the top?
Out of curiousity though which of the 3 boats you had exhibited the serious flaws you mentioned?
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tim-o
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All opinions welcome, thats
All opinions welcome, thats what this site is about. Nothin is guna stop me cutn the seas up in my ali and drivin it like its stolen lol. But the word is just that, cutn, be it surtees or barcrusher, the beamy, steep deadrise hulls cut the seas and ride well, just do as the builder says and push it harder than you think in the conditions, you will be suprised. So far I have found mine impossiple to pound or broach, and been in some shit conditions. Great at rest too with the ballast, well built and safe boats for sure, love it.
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Shark1
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if u looking at glass look at
if u looking at glass look at the edencraft
surtees are a good boat, a mate got one
Ben85
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agree with shark1, if you are
agree with shark1, if you are throwing up between a glass and an Ali boat, then I would assume you want a predominately fishing boat with a good ride. Edencraft have superior ride and performance, but dont come with all the luxuries. for the serious fisherman they have large open deck and a dive door and generally standard with big HP.
Within that pedigree, also worth looking at cootacraft, Bass Strait Boats and formula power boats. All built on the east coast so you don't seem to see many over here in the west.
IMO for Ali its one of 3 choices (Stabicraft, surtees or barcrusher) if you're after safety first then cant go past a stabi.
Brucesta
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Owner of a 625 Oustider and
Owner of a 625 Oustider and love it, suprisingling fast in shit chop of the NW, great fit out and confy for the family. great boat with 200hp on the back, very economical as well and can sleep 2 people in the cab but i do have the oustider not sure of cabin space on the Explorers from what i understand it's a bit small in the 625 and basically the 685 has the same space as the 625 oustider.
Cannot comment on a Surtee's. I do all the things you have listed on my boat no probs. I fish 4 people either bill fishing or bottom bashing, sides aren't too low but can allow you to reach a crab pot rope, they look lower than say a Haines side by side. I've had mine out in some downright shocking conditions and always felt safe (Billfish Shootout 2013 Saturday Morning 52 knot gusts). If it has to pass the wife test then i feel you'll be coming to the fibreglass side if not then take a test drive mate and see what you like.
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squidvicious1
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Ben most of those glass
Ben most of those glass boats you mention are based on the old Haines 233 hull.just different people making them with slight
differences in fit out.
Ben85
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Yep thats right, however
Yep thats right, however seeimg you cant buy an original haines 233 new these other australian manufacturers do a very good job. I was more referring to the 6m models for this post (all based on the original V19). The 233 is a big step up from the 625 CC or surteez6.7.
nico
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Australian Boat builders
Eden Craft have the rights to building the original Formula 233 (whom was designed by Don aronow and Jim Wynne in 1962),they all so build the V19R Haines(6m) and the 565l. The owner of Bass Strait boats worked for or owned Eden craft before starting Bass strait im not sure 100% which one, his 6m is very similar to Eden Craft these boats all came from the V19R formerly the V19R Bertram which was built under licence By John Haines (Haines Hunter).
Bass Strait build the 243L as well, the difference between the 233 Eden craft is Bass strait have a extra chine on the fore foot and slightly different top sides only takes 10% to change a boat and you can flop mould them. I have been out on a Coota crafts built by Mark in VIC and they would be my pick in a 21 footer though not a rig for the Princess.These boats mentioned are all buyilt to survey foam filled and will empty you pocket a little more than a standard production boat.The 233 Formula would be the ultimate 23 ever built copied by many Contender, Sea Vee, Albermale to name a few.
Guys there is a particualy intersesting post on the AUS fish boat forum to do with a well known Australian boat builder which we dont see much of in WA in case your interested. Good news Kelvlar Cat are back in production as well another iconic great aussie rig, lets hope there quality remains the same.
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