Reccomended boat trailer builder
Submitted by bomberbaldy on Sun, 2019-06-02 07:21
Looking too purchase a trailer in the coming months for me Leeder 710, the trailers I have enquired about are not cheap, because me boat is 7 meters long and comesin around the 2 tonne mark i need a decent trailer with electric brakes also,
little johnny
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Tezza’s trailers
Pretty good ( port Kennedy)
ranmar850
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I've got an Easytow gal.
Well built, 2900/2700 kg under a 6.4m boat. Good design, easy for drive on. But made in Vic, so you are up for freight. IIRC, mine was over 12k. But proper rocker roller load sharing tandem, steel guards, s/s calipers on the eoh brakes. My boat isn't far short of 2 tonnes all fuelled up with gear.
Just as a general comment, look out when you get a price. There are corners to be cut. Some will quote on tandem but they are slipper springs, not load sharing, rubbish imo. Plastic guards are cheaper, and easily replaceable, but don't like being stood on. Look for things like integral footpaths at the back corners, where you might want to step up. Rollers vs bunks vs wobble rollers is a debate that goes on forever-- a good drive on design may incorporate all three. Make sure that the eoh battery and assembly is mounted high, not down on the drawbar. Steer away from hollow tube as much as you can, if you want longevity in steel. They'll all rust from the inside, and there is no way around it. Hot rolled c channel keeps the wet, hard to wash spots at a minimum, and you can sandblast and re gal if required down the track. Don't bother with those big side guides sticking up, more likely to mark your boat than help it. A good drive on will centre your boat from a long way off centre.
HTH
bomberbaldy
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Thank you for that, this is
Thank you for that, this is one i found but as you say stay away from box steel
all 1300 422 922 for more details or to place your order.
$ 5,450.00 inc GST (2,000kg GVM)
$ 8,050.00 inc GST (3,500kg GVM, hydraulic disk brakes)
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Dimensions (2,000kg GVM):
Dimensions (3,500kg GVM):
Download the “SC6900 6.9M BOAT TRAILER 21-23FT” Specification PDF
bomberbaldy
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also found this its a wahoo
also found this its a wahoo traailer and is bolted together
Billcollector
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You get what you pay
You get what you pay for.
7mtr leeder on tandem trailer with gear weighs how much?
Stick with the known local brands and get the right setup to suit your boat. Might cost a bit more but what's your boat worth sitting on the bitumen after the trailer fucks up?
bomberbaldy
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Hello it weighs around the 2
Hello it weighs around the 2 tonne mark so need a pretty good trailer
Swompa
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I have a 9 year old Trailit.
I have a 9 year old Trailit. Most of the bolt on fittings have shitty galv and have caused the rust to spread like cancer. Need to pull the boat off for serious work.
i wouldn't buy another.
abrohlosorbust
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PM sent
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Getting wet is part of the Fun
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Feral
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Don't get a John papas
Don't get a John papas trailer
SeperateKnob
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I have a John papas box
I have a John papas box trailer and 2t tandem boat trailer and both are going well after 6 years
Tim
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Papas
Same had a papas on the last boat and went back to them for a box trailer as well.
No issues and would go back any time.
Found them much better than the Dunbier that comes standard on lots of Aussie boats
bomberbaldy
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thank u for the reply i will
thank u for the reply i will get a price for a jon pappas trailer
sea-kem
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The comments against RHS to
The comments against RHS to use as a material in my opinion bullshit and uninformed. it dips well for galvanising and is superior structurally to Unibeam (less distortion) and easier to fabricate with. My trailer requires a rebuild and I'll be using RHS gain to do it just a slightly heavier section. My trailer is 13 years old and has only now just started to have rust problems, Not bad for a well used trailer imo.
Being a steel fabricator I reckon I have a well formed opinion and expertise in this area. RHS just needs to be flushed well with a hose after use, not hard to do.
The Dunbier trailers are built to a minimum standard, fine for road trailering and that's about it.
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bomberbaldy
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very true a friend of mine
very true a friend of mine has a reticulation set up on his boat trailer so he just plugs the hose on it gets the fresh water everywhere
Tim
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Retic
I had set retic up on my old trailer from new before the boat went on it.
Best thing ever. Nothing worse than salt water sitting inside the beams
holth
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Problem is mate, people skip
Problem is mate, people skip the trailer on the cleaning routine. Watch them at ramp.
Saw it many times when l was servicing and repairing trailer for 2 years. The amount of RHS crossmembers l replaced l lost count.
My own I beam trailer is going on 16 years old and will get another 5 easily out of it.
I agree about RHS being structurally better. But for longevity of ownership ibeams a winner.
Billcollector
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Biggest problem with cross
Biggest problem with cross beams is the tiny holes that are put in for draining, bigger holes on the underside would make for easier cleaning and less rust issues.
sea-kem
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That's it in a nutshell,
That's it in a nutshell, where they press them in the mandrel leaves a hollow and the little hole there is way too small. Should be 8mm minimum, the one i'm going to build will be well vented to allow for easy cleaning.
I'm also going to use 75x 50 instead of 50 x 50 for the cross beams to make it Gnaraloo track proof ;)
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still trying
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i only have a 4.2 dinghy on
i only have a 4.2 dinghy on a papas trailer but the trailer is 16 years old now im the 3rd owner and is still rust free on the frame only rust i have is on axle Springs and bolts on the rollers have just replaced hubs as they were bad.
rather be fishing
Scotte
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Interesting thread.
And some good info here.
I'm going down a similar path atm on rebuilding vs new.
Would be great to get some input from guys in the know as my knowledge is very limited .
Firstly I have a 13 year old melride(chivers brand ) rhs, the problems is with the crossmembers at the bottom under the keel rollers where a small hole was drilled in each crossmember.
a mate told me this hole is for when they galvanize it to stop the air inside the tube expanding and bursting? Can someone confirm this as this is where the problem has occured.But as seakem has described above might be from where the tube was bent in the mandrel?.
Seems funny to have a hole from a mandrel but then not weld it back up to stop water ingress and then galv.also they have rusted from the inside so no amount of washing down the outside would have stopped this.
Anyway about 5 years ago I put a sprinkler system on and drilled about a 8mm hole on the crossmember up near where it's welded to the main frame on the side to and fitted a small tube into the hole
to flush the crossembers out . I think this would be a good idea if it was drilled out before it was galved but not sure if this is a good idea or not
Ive always hosed the trailer down properly.alot of people say I beam is the go but it doesn't seem to be the main problem in my experience, my main frame would last another 5 years.
Also I guess the amount of times a trailer has been used would greatly effect the amount of corrosion, some guys may only use the boat once a month where others are using it a few times a week.
sea-kem
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The hole is definitely there
The hole is definitely there for galv venting and drainage, and as I said imo needs to be bigger. They probably use the minimum size required to keep structural strength.
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Scotte
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Ok cheers that clears that
Ok cheers that clears that up.
Do you think to put a hole up near the main frame with a small retic hose fed into to crossmember is a good idea for flushing purposes to clear the salt away?
sea-kem
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Absolutely! Anything to
Absolutely! Anything to flush the salt away the better.
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Tim
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Holes
Scott - My Pappas had a hole where it met the main frame as well as one in the bottom of the cross member.
Made it easy to poke a small retic riser in at the top of the member and water would drain at the bottom.
After 6 years the frame still looked near perfect. Just the brackets etc that start looking a little worn.
All boat trailers should come standard with this setup
ChrisG
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Had a galv polmac RHS trailer
Had a galv polmac RHS trailer for 20+ years (local built not the crap imports they do nowadays), just bought a local built dual axle RHS Papas to replace it....very solid.
Beefed up the suspension as the standard 2t suspension looked a bit lite weight for how I use and where take it..now 2t running gear on a 2t trailer
So far so good and can’t fault how solid it is.
Figured 20 more years out of a galv RHS will do just fine....even half that time represents pretty good value for money.
before they hot dipped it I had them slightly increase the drain hole diameter so I could get the end of hose in.
ranmar850
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Bit rich calling it uninformed bullshit, sea-kem
Seen enough rust through from the inside, due to it being impossible to wash properly ALL AROUND the inside circumference, to see it as a bad idea.
You reckon you can wash the inside top surfaces of the tube, for it's entire length? Got a handy freshwater lake to back it into after fishing?
All you are doing is washing the bottom, and maybe a bit of the sides, each time.
Plus the insides will always stay wet, longer. SHS/RHS might be easier for you to work with as a fabricator, but you will always be able to resurrect the
main frame of a channel-built trailer, unlike a tube trailer. Cutting bits of rusted frame out and welding bits in is just slowing down the inevitable end, regardless of what kind of finish it has.
Someone above said above they'd be happy to get even 10 years out of a trailer??? I'd expect to last twice as long as that without attention to anything other than the moving parts.
Gets very expensive buying a trailer for a big boat every ten years.
There is a thread on the Ausfish forum originally started by a bloke with a rant on the coast of trailers, reckoned we were all being " ripped off", he could build an aluminium trailer for a 6m boat for $2K.
His heart is in the right place, I suppose, he is a tryer, but had to be put in his place regarding some realities about actually doing it as a hobby and doing it to make a living, pay staff, etc Anyway, he went ahead.
Thread is up to 18 pages so far. He started in October last year, last post was in May, still not finished. Didn't work out quite as cheap or easy as he thought--Who'd have thought.---I've built one for a 6 metre boat myself, and had it galvanised.
Not much fun working through a Kalbarri Jan-Feb in the storage shed on R&R's , getting jolts because everything was soaked through with sweat.
sea-kem
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Your points are made from
Your points are made from observations. Mine are from practical hands on experience of over 30 years in the trade. Apologies if you're offended but I call it as I see it.
Like I said I've gotten 13 years out of my RHS trailer and that's not bad considering the amount of use it gets and it's sits in direct salt air all summer. I also mentioned most trailer are built to a minimum standard and adjustable bits added on. I'll post a thread of my new build as I go through on how to beef things up without going over board and also how to get the best drainage as I reckon that's the main issue.
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Rob H
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Ive got to agree with
Ive got to agree with Ranmar
My observations are made as a marine engineer, fitter machinist with plenty of fabrication including building some trailers.
RHS certainly is undoubtedly structurally superior to I beam.
But with wastage and ease of cleaning and most importantly of all by a country mile, ease of inspection its I beam every single day of the week.
As we all know, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and the RHS only has to have one corner thats out of sight and corroded for a failure to happen.
The trailcraft trailer with my last boat opened my eyes to the benefits of i beam and I'd never go back.
Id certainly never buy a 2nd hand trailer with RHS, without allowing for it to be replaced.
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sea-kem
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All good mate, I'll keep my
All good mate, I'll keep my mouth shut from now on as it seems my advice is useless. Carry on.
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ranmar850
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Your opinion is always valued
Perhaps calling a different point of view, also based on experience, "uninformed bullshit" , was the issue. I had a trailer , RHS Gal, Roadmaster according to the reg,on a s/hand boat that showed a tiny rust spot in the gal underneath in the drawbar. Rapidly turned into a large hole over two years. On my last boat, it was a Roadmaster, RHS/SHS. The trailer was almost 15yo, and in very good cond. But it had hardly been in the water for ten years, and stored in a dry shed . Just the fact that the frame built without any hollow section can be kept an eye on, and re-galvanised if you want, way down the track, will literally last forever.
Rob H
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Not sure why you'd say that,
Not sure why you'd say that, your opinion is respected and valued Andy
I didnt say at all that you were wrong, just that there was another aspect to the subject.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Scotte
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Yeah but funnily that is the
Yeah but funnily that is the side that has rusted, the bottom.
so washing only the bottom and half the sides is better than washing nothing.
Put it this way I've used my boat every week sometimes use it everyday for 3 weeks but on average id say 100 days a year for 13 years .trailer is still usable but won't be in 2 yrs.
So imagine having put the sprinkler washdown in from the very start of the trailers life, not 3/4 the way thru it's life.
Frank F
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I always wondered if capping
I always wondered if capping the cross members and filling with oil would prolong the life of the trailer. Anyone had experience with this.
ranmar850
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I've seen it tried,
And heard others experience with it. Sounds like the ideal solution, and may be if you could get a perfect seal. Simple capping won't do it, there will be leaks. If salt water can enter, it's actually worse, because, being lighter than the oil, it just sits in the bottom of the frame section when the trailer is not in use. And rapidly rusts. I guess you would have to have every end welded to a perfect seal, and weld in threaded sockets to fit a solid plug.
Frank F
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My dad did it when he built a
My dad did it when he built a new trailer for our old Ali cat. Everything was welded closed and tapped a bolt where he filled the tubes. Unfortunately we didn’t have it long enough after he made it to see the results.
SeperateKnob
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Go a plastic trailer if you
Go a plastic trailer if you don’t like rust
https://www.polymate.com.au/
ChrisG
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With my old trailer as I said
With my old trailer as I said earlier I got20 years out of it I painted every 5 years with fish oil
with the new one I’ve done the same but I also spayed oil inside the tubes too.....got an old weed spayer and put a longer clear hose on it...put heaps of fish oil in the canister, left in the sun for an hour to thin it down and the pushed the hose inside the tube the full length of the chassis, then crimped the hose near the canister while I pumped up the canister, then released the pressure as I slowly retracted the hose...worked a treat....it spayed mist oil all over the inside. Used it on the springs and hangers and pretty much everywhere other than the hubs and brakes. Plan to do every couple of years minimum.
Shann78
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New Trailer
Ok guys, so there is some good comments and pics on here. I too am in the market for a new trailer. 6.2m Aluminium. Currently on a 2000kg trailer. Really just writing to re-ignite this conversation.
Recommendations???
Belly Fish
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Don't get a Trailit
My current 7.5m ali boat is now 16 years old. Despite religously washing the trailer down and storing it in a shed, the trailer lasted about 8 years before basically falling apart. Tried to get Trailit to refurbish, but they weren't interested.
Replaced it with an Ace aluminium trailer around 8 years ago and couldn't be happier. Rock solid, tows like a dream, boat centres every time, no matter what angle the boat comes up.....and no rust!!!!
SeperateKnob
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What’s the average lifespan
What’s the average lifespan of an ali trailer?