A question to the demeral jiggers out there
Submitted by Just1morecast on Wed, 2010-10-06 21:40
Hi all,
Just a question on what reel you guys use when you jig/plastic for dhuies. I currently use a pfleuger supreme xt 9040 which is very very light but a drag of about 5kg. I feel it may be a little on the small side especially if i hooked up to a descent sambo so i may look for something new. Wouldnt have a huge budget but just wondering what you all use and if you think what im using is fine.
Thanks for all the help
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Lamby
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Spinning I use a Saragosa
Spinning I use a Saragosa 5000 with 30lb Daiwa Accudepth Tourney, no issues with Sambo's and doesn't blow any holes in the pocket.
till
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Date Joined: 21/02/08
Daiwa Bradia 2500R
I've been using a Daiwa Bradia 2500R with 15lb tuffline, and this is ok if the ground isn't really reefy and the sambos are under 12kg, biggest dhu on that outfit was 82cm.
I prefer to jig conventional in the heavier line classes, and use a Shimano Talica TAC8 with PE4 on it, and I got my PB on that of 95cm/12kg.
It was really interesting going from Jurien to Two Rocks with the PE2 jigger. The sambos were ok up at Jurien, but totally uncontrollable down there and I got reefed pretty badly on PE2. I found this really suprising really because I've always found sambos totally dense!
grayzeee
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i just got my demersal
i just got my demersal jigging gear sorted
hearty rise 1.5 -3 matched to a stradic 4000 with 30lb frog
the stradics are great and def won't break the bank , but not really for sambo jigging.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Just1morecast
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cheers guys, il check these
cheers guys, il check these reels out and price them up. Grayzee it wouldnt be for sambo jigging its more just if i hook upto one whilst jigging for demersals and for them to not sprint off n spool me. Happend to me on my lil penn 260slammer the other day what a pain that was
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Seaquest
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Started demersal jigging
Started demersal jigging with a JM 150 rod and a Talica II 10 reel. Found it OK but was very hard to jig with it for a full day, arms got tired after a few hours. Now use a Saltiga 3500 reel and a Jig Force rod. This outfit is heaps lighter and I can easily jig all day with it. I also think it is more suited to demersal jigging. I like to keep the jigs as light as possible for the conditions. With jigs around 100g I have found the spinning combo a lot easier to get that slow action required for demersal jigging. Found I have been getting heaps better success with the lighter gear. A good action is a must for successful demersal jigging and the right gear is a huge advantage. Sambo jigging is completely different where action is not that important. Sambo will hit just about anything that moves.
Simon C
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my own thoughts are that
my own thoughts are that 2500 is to small. I have landed sambos to 34lb on them but I would put that down to a lot of patience and luck. Jigging, I reckon till is pretty much spot on. Nice overhead with pe3 or 4. even decent dhuies and snaps will brick you pretty convincingly on pe2 and smaller gear. I know ryan uses his baitcaster pretty effectively with 30lb whiplash, but it is a larger penn on a barra rod so still plenty of go.
My own setup is a bluebacker 300 with 30lb tuffline.
Auslobster
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Jurien sambos...
...interesting comments, Jamie. We jigged up a few 20kg class ones on Whitey's charter and even the guys on PE2 and less were able to handle them without too much bother. The fish were getting hooked at least 20 metres off the bottom so maybe we had a fair margin for error as far as getting reefed goes.
I use a PE3 overhead on a PE2-4 rod, and probably getting 7kg drag max...in my brief experience with larger demersals it's a very handy outfit but I can see how someone who is more comfortable with spinning reels might struggle with it.
till
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Even the ones on the bottom
Even the ones on the bottom @ Jurien were ok, apart from one really big one that managed to get back around the wreck.
The structure in Jurien must be even shorter than what is in Two Rocks then I guess ...
chrisp
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Outfits
I have two outfits.I use a twinpower 6000pg and Majorcraft alexander for pe3 jigging and a twinpower 5000fc and xzoga taka si 6012 for my pe2 jigging/placcys.The pe3 outfit is good just incase the sambos take interest and is well balanced to jig up to 150g jigs if required.You will have no problems dealing with bigger demersals on this outfit and it still keeps things sporting.
Your right about some of the sambos in jurien till, they know where the structure is.Then again maybe there is a few ambos...
JohnF
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I have a calcutta 400 with
I have a calcutta 400 with jigforce PE 1.5 - 3 overhead setup with PE2, excellent for 100 to 150 g demersal jigs, the baitcaster setup makes freespooling easy. Jigforce rod is fantastic.
On lighter jigs down to 50, the overhead is more difficult to freespool and the 1.5 - 3 jigforce a bit stiff and aI recon a 3000 or 4000 spinner on a 0.7-2 PE jigforce like Whitey's setup would be spot on. I use a 4000 Tierra and a 7ft Tierra spin rod for the lighter stuff, excellent action but a tad long for all day jigging, but nice combo outfit.
Daz's setup was the nucest I have seen....4000 Stella I think with a PE2 light jig rod.....dont remember the make....think it was called Kn Expensive.
Boston Whaler 235 Conquest......getting the flogging it was built for.
till
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Oh no I meant quite the
Oh no I meant quite the opposite. The Jurien sambos were quite manageable compared to the ones in Two Rocks but I guess who knows whats down there if you don't get it up! We just got lots of sambos when I swapped gear, so I figure it was a sambo that I lost.
FWIW I used to use a xzoga PE3 overhead jigger and an Avet SX but I just found it a little unsporting with most of the fish I was catching on it and the reel to squirrely for +100m. That was about 90% of why I split the outfit into a PE2 and a PE3 jigger. The xzoga now does duty as an 8kg troller, but I have occasionally thought about swapping the TAC8 onto it.
chrisp
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Ooops
I misread your post, when fishing the wreck in jurien the sambos would usually go at it and when i fished pe2 hoping for a good pink on the placcy.
Simon C
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Jamie - I just bought the 2
Jamie - I just bought the 2 speed talica 8 and found it to be a PITA to jig with, but it was great for driftbaiting and i think it will make a fantastic light trolling/ live baiting reel for up north, esp on little sails and blacks. I have it on a saltiga hirasama and the outfit is beaut, but I found it really hard to bkeep in contact with my jigs, how did you go with the single speed.
till
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Hmm not sure what to say,
Hmm not sure what to say, the TAC8 seems fine on the Earthshaker, very happy to use it up to about 200m or so. I occasionally wish it had spool lock like an Ocea Jigger 2000P, or that nifty turn-handle-to-engage-gears feature like the older saltigas, but thats probably just feature collecting =)
alfred
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Simon don't think there is
Simon don't think there is much difference in the handling of the single or dual speed. I found that it jigged well on the TD trip. What was the problem?
Just1morecast
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What I was looking at was
What I was looking at was the daiwa saltist 4500h spin. I played with one yesterday felt great. What are your thoughts fellas? I'm like Seaquest I find it easier to jig and get a better action with an eggbeater
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till
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Not sure there is a better
Not sure there is a better reel for the money, but its not a jigger. Its a whackingly big reel for demersal jigging (PE5/250m & 600g) and the gearing is a little steep (6.1/113cm).
Seaquest's Saltiga 3500 game is just 390g and 4.9 gear ratio and about 85cm retrieve.
Message me if you're after something more appropriate, I may have something spare seeing as I usually jig OH.
Simon C
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alfred, I was using 60-80gm
alfred, I was using 60-80gm zests and found it very hard to keep in contact with the jig, there seemed to be a real catchup feel in the gearing, especially on high speed, like you had a quarter turn before the gears engaged. I though once it hooked up though the reel in low speed was outstanding, knocked over a few YTK up to 8kg and a sambo that went 15kg no trouble at all. Also used it to drift bait up a very nice baldy on the way back in.
I actually spent most of the day using 1oz jig heads and a hyper 2500 on southern blues and YTK's. Was great fun until I hooked a few bigger models, and got promptly smoked. I only took two outfits on purpose to give myself a bit of a challenge and to make sure I really gave the talica a workout. For livies etc I do not think there is much better on the market at present
till
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My PE4 rod wouldn't work a
My PE4 rod wouldn't work a jig that light effectively, I never use jigs smaller than 100g on that outfit, with it being quite OK up to about 200g.
Perhaps this is why I never really ran into that problem? I use the PE2 jigger for 60-120g.
alfred
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Smallest jig I used at TDS
Smallest jig I used at TDS was a 80gm fanky, I started to load the rod then turn the handle.
I wonder if there is a lag with the 2 speeds?
What rod are you using?
hlokk
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I use a 4000 sized shimano
I use a 4000 sized shimano and a xzoga PE2 for all my demersal jigging. I have a saltist 20 on a HR jigforce which is a very nice combo, but overheads just arent as nice or as easy to use for the type of jigging I do for demersals. That being said, I do like narrow overheads when jigging for sambos (different actions, weight classes and jig weights of course).
Depending on what rod you match it to, if its PE2 (20-30lb), a 4500 will be waaay too heavy for the rod. Seeing as you're constantly lifting all the time, minimal weight makes a lot bigger difference than non-jigging outfits. If going daiwa, a 4000 size would be a better option. I've landed a fair few large sambos on one of those (mind you it had hyper gearing and a lot of drag). As long as you get the right reel, the size would be fine. Though, you could get away with daiwa 3000 or shimano 4000 and would match some rods even better (e.g. the jigforce is really light, so a light reel matched up better).
I've hooked up to quite a few sambos on my 4000 shimano, and up to 10-15kg, they handle them fine. Had a big one on once (25kg+) which was a long fight, but a bigger reel wont make the fight shorter if you're running the same drag, and the drag washers are still fine (havent replaced them and still smooth). When demersal jigging, I havent found the really big sambos very prolific. Sure you can get a lot up to 15kg or so, but even on PE2 they arent a massively long fight. Would be more advantage going a lighter reel (but still reasonable) than dealing with a very heavy reel all the time for the very occasional large sambo. Though, of course, you wouldnt/shouldnt drop a jig down on that outfit at the barges...
timvb
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I use a 4000 Certate on a
I use a 4000 Certate on a PE1.5 - 3 Jigforce - nice and easy to use, plus 8kg drag means plenty of stopping power! Agree with Matt that a 3000 size would do the job as well. Have used jigs up to 230g with no problems.
Just1morecast
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Maybe i will play around
Maybe i will play around with this pfleuger then a little more and see how i go. On the weekend i used a 9035 supreme xt which i think runs 5kg drag, i do have a 9040xt now that i bought my gf a new reel which is supposed to be either 6 or 7kg drag so il get out and give that a go next. As u said hlokk best to go light as chances i run into a xos sambo arent too high. I havent even hooked up to a sambo yet whilst demersal jigging so good advice.
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hlokk
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Not too light, but not 4500
Not too light, but not 4500 size. As for the drag, its not so much the drag max kg, but also the smoothness and how long it lasts under load. I.e. can it deal with screaming runs. Also, a lot of reels seem to have more drag than the rest of the reel if comfortable running on a regular basis? Dont know much about the pfleugers though.
Smaller sambos wont destroy your gear though. Now amberjacks on the other hand...
Dicey
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Just a question, when you
Just a question, when you guys run light tackle, would you prefer running 300m of 8lb or 180-200m of 20-30lb line, lets say the reel can handle both, im am running scenarios in my head so other opinions would put the theory at ease, for me i choose the 2nd option because it is easier to turn the head of the fish on a higher drag setting as opposed to running 2-3kg for 300metres and chance to get busted off or spooled, what do you guys think?
hlokk
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Different for demersals and
Different for demersals and pelagics. If the fish will brick you in <50m, having an extra 100m wont do anything.
I did hear one interesting idea with tuna, in that they can be landed quicker on light gear than heavy gear because when they run, they shut their gills, go flat out and get no oxygen. On a lighter drag they could run further in one run and exhaust themselves, while on heavier gear, they get time for breathers between runs and hence perhaps a longer fight. I dont know whether its complete crap though (obviously it would depend on line class not 1lb vs 80lb or something).
Dicey
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I would of thought with tuna
I would of thought with tuna its best to not give them much room to move and constantly trying to turn their heads with heavy drag settings, afterall fishing is about turning the head of fish and making them come towards you, but that theory with tuna could be plausible but would say at least 30-40lb line class for lightness but heavy enough to drag their weight.
Lamby
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what and skull drag every
what and skull drag every fish? for me it's the fight and fillets second
Dicey
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Setting the drag on low and
Setting the drag on low and letting the fish run imo isnt even fishing, thats just letting the fish run freely on its own, if your a catch and release person faster the fish is up faster the fish is back more chance of survival, i used to let fish run on lower settings until you get a few snags with other fishos then you know how fun it is to untangle and lose fish, fishing is about outsmarting fish and having fun and everyone has their own idea of fun.
Lamby
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I just love it when people
I just love it when people change the goal posts on a previous comment, yep phuck it not going to even respond in kind
Dale
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Okuma V System, 55 size on a
Okuma V System, 55 size on a Pflueger Asaro, 25lb fireline. Works a treat.
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roddo
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COULD YOU USE A OKUMA T20L
COULD YOU USE A OKUMA T20L FOR JIGGING OR IS IT MORE A GAME/BOTTOM BOUNCING REEL??
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till
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Its a troller, and would be
Its a troller, and would be pretty awful to jig with!
roddo
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yeah thats what i was
yeah thats what i was thinking but just thought i would ask
JohnF
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I have an Okuma T20 and
I have an Okuma T20 and could not think of a worse jig reel....weighs a tonne and has very slow retrieve......comletey unsuitable.
Good as a cheap troll and at a pinch bottom basher.
Boston Whaler 235 Conquest......getting the flogging it was built for.