Action at last, now ban Cage diving and shark interaction unless hooking and tagging them which will hopefully ensure they find boats and human contact intimidating....
All for it....
Hopefully this speeds up the process of another deterent becoming available....
yah I agree, less human contact and no burlying makes sense.........what about catching the big ones and putting some sought of kevlar muzzle on them so they can only eat small fish and not big things like humans. maybe paint there dorsal fin fluro orange so they are more visable.........surely this would be better than killing these magnificent beasts.
So if I go a km out in my kayak to get a feed of kg's, I'll be inline with shark baits. That's comforting. Is good their finally doing something about it though.
The drums aren't actually full of bait. there'd be no more offal in the water than what 2 or 3 Cray pots would be putting out. Nothing to get your panties in a twist ladies
Yeah I don't think too many beach goes are gonna feel any safer with baited hooks luring in sharks. And with the amount of land based shark captures in perth during the summer months I bet 99% of the captures will be tiger sharks and whalers.
Anyone know what's gonna happen to the captured sharks?
Ridiculous policy. Don't like the risk, don't do the activity. Also lol at banning cage diving, maybe if you actually undertook an experience like that you may have a little more appreciation for the animals. Bit of a simpleton view if you ask me.
It's a bit like a dentist, they never want to take your tooth out because that is the last time they can make money from that tooth. Same for the GWs and big Tigers, the Fisheries, researchers and lobbyists can't make money out of a situation that is solved.
Nature has a way of resolving unsustainable situations, we will spend what ever it takes to keep the status quo but nature will catch up with us.
I wonder what the dive shops take on the current shark problems is?
Shark deaths are so insignificant statistically in number of deaths.
Fark, more people die from fishing!!
Crocs happily munch people but we're not culling them.
You've got more chance getting struck by lighting. Even seen what that does to a person?
Pissed drivers smashing into cars. Ever seen what steel does to flesh and tell that to the innocent parents / family.
What about the smashed up defence force personal fighting a stupid war? Ever seen flesh 'bitten' by bullets / shrapnel / IED's
There's far more serious issues on this planet than culling a few sharks
You mob got to blow the cobwebs from between your ears.
Gotta love the intelligence indix when this post pop up!!
You are spot on with all you say , Damo 6230we all know there are lots of things killing people but this is about sharks killing people and things we can do to stop them.We should get a topic going on how we can fix all the other problems the world has ,im sure everyone will have the opinion,One thing at a time . But now is the time to cull some sharks .
Suck it up Damo .. we live in a democracy and the other half of the populous want action .. Rather than irrelevant comparisons and snide remarks come up with a solution that appeases all .
research, pretty simple and avoids killing them
research has provided much benefit in life.
Fark me it's allowed you to continue to catch fish and will into your grand kids generation
ignorance breeds alarm
I have seen "bitten up flesh" from an explosion (my own body) , I have had decades of diving , and have to say this past few years have been bad for shark attacks . It is time we said enough is enough and cull some out ( and don't think it isn't happening all ready). The big fat tigers up in the north west arnt a problem as the are to well fed and to lazy to have a go generally
It is so obviously logical and efficient to ONLY focus on the main cause of death and ignore everything else. I just can’t believe that these red necks with their low intelligence indix can’t see the truth like we can.
I propose that we change the name of this website to heartattackwest and we all sell our boats and fishing gear to buy ECG machines.
if you studied the biology of crocs you would know why they generally get the croc that ate the person.
the same rules dont apply for GW so your advice is inaccurate.
it is a very good example as research is a key to understanding both GW and human interaction
I worked with Black Bears in Canada. Man wants photo with bear so man offers bear a burger in outstretched arm. Bear takes burger and arm. Now got to shoot bear. Not the bears fault but he gets a bullet for his effort.
Research and education is the key, not indistriminate culling due to hype
Your right on the biology of crocs, no I haven't studied them, yes I have been involved in moving animals that need to be relocated.... But hey clearly we are getting of topic. No I'm not Malcom D....
i take it from your comment you have studied saltwater crocs, awesome where?
the example you drew was in relation to crocs killing people and nothing been done about it, that is where your comment was fundamentally wrong that's all. Or did I misunderstand you comment?
there is a law that crocs can be hunted when human death is involved, up until yesterday there was no such law regarding the killing of man killing sharks. Now just to clear it up for you, I in no way support the killing of sharks in open blue water- however when they continually return to the same beach over an over again, then yes these animals should and as of yesterday will be destroyed. I think looking at it more closely you will see these animals are a creature of habit as tag information has shown, when they know that food is available in an area they will hunt there.........
Who ever decided GWS were the top predator in the ocean and we are in there territory so humans are fair game ??? , I always thought humans were the number 1 predator on the planet, I am a long time diver and fisherman I would have said 5 years ago leave them be . But not now I say there needs to be more action than just drum lines
Damo how is ones Intelligence judged exactly when this pops up?
Index not Indix....Kiwi??
Another know it all that plays the judge...
I`d like to know the age of you Shark huggers... Were you so vocal prior to them becoming protected, picket lines on the naughty Shark Hunters front doors or did you just accept it?
Net fishers still catch GW`s, do you petition loudly and proudly to stop this?
This is a good thing, and about 20 years overdue in my opinion. In the simplest way possible, they need to die.
A more exciting way to target these sharks would be a baited hand grenade with a cord attached to the grenade pin, all tethered to a float/drum. Mr white swims up, swallows half a sambo with a hint of grenade flavour, turns and swims off, pulls pin, 5.....4.........3..................2...........
scotto , this is the metro that these attacks are happening not remote spots in the Pilbara , seems strange to me there are plenty of 16ft tigers cruising around up in the north west, the odd one will have a go but generaly they don't and if you don't see one on a dive you wonder why is it all the attacks have been attributed to GWS, because they are responsible , I recon they have their own territory that they patrol and will defend
So when did these predators became protected? And from that time to now ... Would that be enough time for all the juvie GWs to of grown up and become 4+metres
an therefore there is now a lot more XL sized ones around then before?
just a thought, I don't know the length per year stats of the species ( I you know please share)
I agree that something must be done, but whether of not a big cull is the ansew or not I don't know, I've not the credentials or the experience of how it was before.
but what I am worried about is how this will effect the marine ecosystems as a whole, removing the king pins could stir some shit up down there big time
as far as I know humans are No 1 predator on the planet, humans gutless cowards?? I have faced a big tiger shark in full charge and blasted him with a smokie when he was about a meter away from me and before you say I did the wrong thing , it was him or me and yes I was shiting myself
Cull, cull, cull! That is obviously the answer. Knee jerk reaction, when we need this reaction to so many bigger problems out there. If this is the answer - there is so many people who need culling before these sharks. Honestly surprised at the support of the decision, especially on this site. A sad state of affairs.....
an understanding as to why the big fellas are coming closer to the shore.
Commercial net fishers would love to have the W.P's out of the equation seeing they feed on sharks which, if some of you should take time to read fisheries reports, are in a bad way.
Sorry if I upset some but everyone has an opinion.
Can you please point me in the direction of the report that says sharks off WA are in a bad way. I hear fisheries have been very surprised by the rebound in shark numbers, so surprised they reckon within 3 years the shark fishery will be back to its original bio mass.
Not realy a bite maybe a nibble I don't realy give a shit a few sharks less would be nice ,lower my chances of seeing one .A bit of a boaring night .so just stired the pot a little.
I think some of you must have real red itchy necks right about now. Have we not learnt that just killing shit without data to validate it never ends well? I'm hardly a greenie by any means but I believe this is the wrong way to go about an almost non-problem.
Stupid decision made by ignorant people - supported by ill-informed people. Statistics support this, 11 deaths in 13 years - statistically insignificant per capita. Maybe we should ban people swimming in the ocean, even better ban sharks from swimming in the ocean...oh shit this is what the government is already doing. Common sense people.
Explain it then, why have the numbers of fatalities gone up dramatically?
There has only been 20 deaths ever in WA since data was recorded way back when so why has there been so many in recent years??
I think to add to the debate I`m happy to add I live down south and surf mostly between Ellensbrook and Gracetown.
It directly affects me, I was 300 metres away surfing the night before and heading down for a surf there that morning when I got the call. Could have been me, could have been a mate.
The last fatality in SA was a friend who I grew up with, a few years younger but a top bloke just coming of age.
Feel free to chirp in what it is you do on or in the ocean if you feel the need to add to the debate.
I`m one for an alternative but something needs doing, while there is no alternative then unfortunately for the Whites and maybe a few Bronzies hooks to be set....
Why have shark attacks gone up? I'd suggest that is purely due to sharks being in closer than ever searching for food (as our fishing puts pressure on their resources too) and having more interaction with humans (growing population, more people in the water etc). If anyone has got a stat for deaths/head of capita over the years I'd be interested. Also surely you admit that the proposed tactics isn't going to make your chosen water recreational activity any safer? Surfing offshore in deep water is always going to pose a risk of a shark attack.
For the record I work as a marine biologist in a private consultancy firm. Don't do research, all my work revolves around dredge and infrastructure projects for government/mining/oil and gas companies. I use the ocean to fish, dive occasionally, swim and snorkel. I accept that I do take a small risk when I enter the ocean to do these things.
i'd happily argue that over the last 2-3yrs there are LESS surfers in the water along the capes region than there were 5-10yrs ago.
My 2 reaons would be huge increase in resident Seal populations in the capes regions coupled with GW's loss of fear for humans possibly caused by cage diving.
What a surprise that a politician ignores scientific research and bows to the public's knee jerk reaction asking for a shark cull. Like has beost animals we are their demise, like I said hopefully another way of deterring becomes available post cull then they can get back to the numbers that's sustainable for the species.n said already surprising to see such fishing enthusiasts with such little regard for the complex ecosystem they take from every time they head out fishing. Don't want indiscriminate killing of sharks, regardless of breed or size? Yes that makes us tree huggers, hippies and we will need to go home and cry ourselves to sleep?
One female Great White shark would take approximately 20 years to contribute as little as 4 or up to 20 shark offspring from their birth. As for 'sustainable populations'? How can you define a sustainable population when the species' main food source is being fished out, especially in metro Perth?
We can't stop their food being taken though, can't ban seafood for a couple years, families would suffer, economy would too,
saying we have taken their food is something Captain Hindsight would say it's correct but it's useless, sure we have fished heavily, but we are learning to fish more sunstainably more then ever,
their food was always gonna be under pressure, we too eat fish and there is more of us than sharks, but.... If We cull a few and then there's enough food to go round, they may not be inclined to search out a hamstring or two
dont think anyone is saying lets make them extinct? Just thin the numbers again
i don't think anyone wants to fully eradicate a species.
Do people really believe that some baited drum lines and a few culled sharks are going to somehow cause the mass extinction of the great white shark and life as we know it? Great Whites where never endangered in west australian waters in the first place they where considered vulnarable at the time of becoming protected and some believe with the closure of whaling the local great white population had already been on the rebound.
Around a similar time we also protected seals and whales - the great whites major food source. Whale and seal populations have boomed I dont think a lot the general public realize just how much the population of whales has rebounded along our coast line along with big seal colonies that never existed before.
If whale and seal populations have been able to recover so well why not great whites? does the public really believe they are endangered on our coastline? I think we've been incredibly lucky so far with how many fatalities have occurred, it seems like every second week I talk to someone who's had a close encounter. I also have friends who had to pull half a guy out of the water, absolutely horrific shit they'll never enjoy the ocean the same way again. If its so rare why has it already effected so many people? They are being seen everywhere all the time, a lot of it is just not reported!
It seems like a lot of people are really vocal about shark protection with sharks being endangered and it's true. In a lot of other parts of the world sharks are absolutely endangered - they are overhunted with no regulation and killed in the thousands for there fins, it's horrible! But thats not Western Australia, here we have one of the tightest managed fisheries in the world. We have some ridiculous % of the entire worlds sanctuary zones in WA alone. Whales, seals, shark populations are really rebounding here at a solid rate! If you've spent any time diving in the past 5 years you would agree there are heaps more juvenile demersal fish getting around, our fish stocks are well managed and for the most part healthy!
You really genuinely care about sharks so much? Get on a plane and go do something about the real problem. Seems like most of the people on the anti-cull side either don't use the ocean for diving / surfing or are relying on stats and facts they have heard about sharks being endangered in other counties to base a decision. It's also mighty easy and feels good to take the high road and feel like you're a good person for saving an animal when choosing a side in a debate that doesn't really effect you.
Slightly thinning out the local great white population in WA waters absolutely reduces the risk of running into one, so long as they are sensible about it and continue to track numbers and tag as best they can I am all for it.
mate......i dive, i swim etc etc...your point saying that is ignorant.
I am opposed to a mass cull but listening to this minor cull and havnt came to a conlusion whether i agree or disagree to what the state government thinks....
your using reference of numbers and populations when protected..... good i actuelly agree with your points bar one the "local white population"....dude its fact whites are a species that migrate. there is no local whites they stay in one paticular area for good and that has been prooven.
What i dont like about the government proposition is that yes if they get alarms for one shark and go out and set baits, what if they hook one but there is another one within the local area and the second takes a life due to the government baiting the water. They wont hold them selves partially accountable for the death. There is a major element of risk in the proposition and thats what i dont like.
secondly (this isnt directed at your post) i will not start posting in the other thread because to be honest i get the enjoyment reading everyones posts and point of views, especially the ones that are so far out rediculously ignorant and stupid!
This is a public forum for discussion. No matter what side of the fence you sit, no one is telling me what threads i can or cant use.
Yeah mate point noted it is a bit ignorant to claim "most people on the anti cull side dont dive / surf" - I was speaking more so of the general public who like to weigh in vocally on the debate yet most won't ever set a foot in the waters offshore. The point I was trying to make is that a lot of people have already made there mind up with no effort whatsoever to actually look into the data or weigh things up to see if there might actually be an issue in WA waters - a lot of people straight away take the high moral ground as it feels good to be saving an animal and seems like the right thing to do. However I should not have used that argument on this forum as I would say most people on here do actually use the ocean regularly regardless of which side of the debate they are on, so fair point there!
When I say "local" populations of Great Whites I mean Australian not WA or a particular town or area etc. Yes they move and migrate all the time - but if you go check out almost any of the successful tagged white sharks migration patterns in Australia they all make a very simiilar repeat migration over and over just like the whales and its rarely a migration from Australia to another country (NZ is fairly common I believe but long hauls to SA or anywhere else have only been recorded once or twice? although obviously it does happen!) fact is the bulk of sattelite tagged australian GWS have been seen to hug our coast and patrol back and forth - often following the whale migration.
So while we might not have a "local white population" that lives all year at one particular spot we do actually have a "local population" that migrates around our coast regularly returning to the same haunts each year!
It's good to see most people on this forum are able to agree to disagree, that's a rare thing on the internet! Fact is nobody is right when it comes to this argument, it's all opinion and a big grey area there is no correct answer. Going to be interesting to see how it all pans out this summer.
Whether the cull has an effect or not I just hope it's enough to get some of my mates keen to get back in the water with me, havnt been able to do much of 2 of my biggest passions in life in surfing + diving lately. The last couple of years I've had an increasingly hard time convincing any of my mates to come for a dive with me, none of them are keen on the risk anymore. Flip side to that is I have done a heap more fishing instead and scored some great fish so maybe it's a blessing in disguise haha.
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Action at last, now ban Cage
Action at last, now ban Cage diving and shark interaction unless hooking and tagging them which will hopefully ensure they find boats and human contact intimidating....
All for it....
Hopefully this speeds up the process of another deterent becoming available....
derko5000
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very much agree!
very much agree!
RoaringBoner
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cage diving
yah I agree, less human contact and no burlying makes sense.........what about catching the big ones and putting some sought of kevlar muzzle on them so they can only eat small fish and not big things like humans. maybe paint there dorsal fin fluro orange so they are more visable.........surely this would be better than killing these magnificent beasts.
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Haha, magnificent user name,
Haha, magnificent user name, magnificent profile pic and not a bad first post lol
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Wonder what the fishing will
Wonder what the fishing will be like near thease drum lines they set lol
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Sunburntfeet
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So if I go a km out in my
So if I go a km out in my kayak to get a feed of kg's, I'll be inline with shark baits. That's comforting. Is good their finally doing something about it though.
Fisherman, constantly trying to out-smart fish.......with limited success
Noxious
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What a plan!Place large
What a plan!
Place large amounts of bait 1km from popular swimming beaches over the warmer months.
dumper
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The drums aren't actually
The drums aren't actually full of bait. there'd be no more offal in the water than what 2 or 3 Cray pots would be putting out. Nothing to get your panties in a twist ladies
petermac
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true
the drums actually do the catching
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If by chance any commercial
If by chance any commercial boys that read this forum obtain the contract .. I would gladly volunteer to deckie for the experience .
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Obviously the drums aren't
Obviously the drums aren't full of bait.
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Yeah I don't think too many
Yeah I don't think too many beach goes are gonna feel any safer with baited hooks luring in sharks. And with the amount of land based shark captures in perth during the summer months I bet 99% of the captures will be tiger sharks and whalers.
Anyone know what's gonna happen to the captured sharks?
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Landfill?
Landfill?
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"Research"
"Research"
TorquenFish
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Ridiculous policy. Don't
Ridiculous policy. Don't like the risk, don't do the activity. Also lol at banning cage diving, maybe if you actually undertook an experience like that you may have a little more appreciation for the animals. Bit of a simpleton view if you ask me.
Geoff78
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I feel safer already.
I feel safer already.
Nice of them to set up a burley trail for us though.
opsrey
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...lucky the state has loads of money.
It's a bit like a dentist, they never want to take your tooth out because that is the last time they can make money from that tooth. Same for the GWs and big Tigers, the Fisheries, researchers and lobbyists can't make money out of a situation that is solved.
Nature has a way of resolving unsustainable situations, we will spend what ever it takes to keep the status quo but nature will catch up with us.
I wonder what the dive shops take on the current shark problems is?
sarcasm0
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Troy Buswell on ABC 720 right now
Being interviewed about the shark measures.
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11 fatals in 13 years yeah
11 fatals in 13 years yeah real big problem start doing somthing about all the deaths caused by alcohol f***s
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yer I see the shark deaths
yer I see the shark deaths as a problem, would you like to talk to one of the families affect by a fatal shark attack?
We are talking about sharks not car deaths pissed drivers etc
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
damo6230
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WTF?
Shark deaths are so insignificant statistically in number of deaths.
Fark, more people die from fishing!!
Crocs happily munch people but we're not culling them.
You've got more chance getting struck by lighting. Even seen what that does to a person?
Pissed drivers smashing into cars. Ever seen what steel does to flesh and tell that to the innocent parents / family.
What about the smashed up defence force personal fighting a stupid war? Ever seen flesh 'bitten' by bullets / shrapnel / IED's
There's far more serious issues on this planet than culling a few sharks
You mob got to blow the cobwebs from between your ears.
Gotta love the intelligence indix when this post pop up!!
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You are spot on with all you
You are spot on with all you say , Damo 6230we all know there are lots of things killing people but this is about sharks killing people and things we can do to stop them.We should get a topic going on how we can fix all the other problems the world has ,im sure everyone will have the opinion,One thing at a time . But now is the time to cull some sharks .
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derko5000
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baahahahha well said Paul
baahahahha well said Paul G!!!!!
damo6230
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people kill people in Australia
you going to bring back the death penalty?
your point is irrelevant as usual
petermac
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if i had my way
yes I would bring back the death penalty lots of humans that need culling out too
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Suck it up Damo .. we live in
Suck it up Damo .. we live in a democracy and the other half of the populous want action .. Rather than irrelevant comparisons and snide remarks come up with a solution that appeases all .
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damo6230
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solution
research, pretty simple and avoids killing them
research has provided much benefit in life.
Fark me it's allowed you to continue to catch fish and will into your grand kids generation
ignorance breeds alarm
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agree with the stats, so
agree with the stats, so what have you done about those things you have mentioned?
In regards to the sharks I have lobbied state and federal government, have been for the last 5 years.
Crocs are controlled.
Police and the government are doing something about drink drivers.
But until now there was nothing being done about the shark attacks.
War is war andI will not comment on it here.
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
petermac
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actually mate
I have seen "bitten up flesh" from an explosion (my own body) , I have had decades of diving , and have to say this past few years have been bad for shark attacks . It is time we said enough is enough and cull some out ( and don't think it isn't happening all ready). The big fat tigers up in the north west arnt a problem as the are to well fed and to lazy to have a go generally
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Well said Damo6230, It is so
Well said Damo6230,
It is so obviously logical and efficient to ONLY focus on the main cause of death and ignore everything else. I just can’t believe that these red necks with their low intelligence indix can’t see the truth like we can.
I propose that we change the name of this website to heartattackwest and we all sell our boats and fishing gear to buy ECG machines.
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" Red neck.. Low intelligence
" Red neck.. Low intelligence " No Christmas Card For You!
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
damo6230
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Love ya idea
Let's call it Healthwrecked
Two thirds of our healthcare budget annually is spent on keeping people alive for the last four weeks of their life
Lets cull, sorry, thin out some of the oldies and save ourselves a heap in our hip pocket
Think of all that money now free to spend
Oh and while I'm at it, to confer my phonetic spelling
Indix = cock in hand let's kill em all mentality
Syked
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Damo, when a croc kills
Damo, when a croc kills someone the rangers go out and destroy the croc... Good example.....
all for killing the odd sharks that frequent populated beachs....... Not all sharks that swim.
syked
damo6230
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Alot lot more research for croc's
if you studied the biology of crocs you would know why they generally get the croc that ate the person.
the same rules dont apply for GW so your advice is inaccurate.
it is a very good example as research is a key to understanding both GW and human interaction
I worked with Black Bears in Canada. Man wants photo with bear so man offers bear a burger in outstretched arm. Bear takes burger and arm. Now got to shoot bear. Not the bears fault but he gets a bullet for his effort.
Research and education is the key, not indistriminate culling due to hype
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Couldn't have said it
Couldn't have said it better.
Syked
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Agree there you couldn't
Agree there you couldn't have..
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Your right on the biology of
Your right on the biology of crocs, no I haven't studied them, yes I have been involved in moving animals that need to be relocated.... But hey clearly we are getting of topic. No I'm not Malcom D....
i take it from your comment you have studied saltwater crocs, awesome where?
the example you drew was in relation to crocs killing people and nothing been done about it, that is where your comment was fundamentally wrong that's all. Or did I misunderstand you comment?
there is a law that crocs can be hunted when human death is involved, up until yesterday there was no such law regarding the killing of man killing sharks. Now just to clear it up for you, I in no way support the killing of sharks in open blue water- however when they continually return to the same beach over an over again, then yes these animals should and as of yesterday will be destroyed. I think looking at it more closely you will see these animals are a creature of habit as tag information has shown, when they know that food is available in an area they will hunt there.........
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bloody greenys/ do gooders
Who ever decided GWS were the top predator in the ocean and we are in there territory so humans are fair game ??? , I always thought humans were the number 1 predator on the planet, I am a long time diver and fisherman I would have said 5 years ago leave them be . But not now I say there needs to be more action than just drum lines
petermac
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pissed drivers
if I ever kill someone in a prang and it turns out I was pissed while driving just take me out and feed me a bullet
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this guy
talks common sense.
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Bait them cull them sounds
Bait them cull them sounds good to me. Tigers ,Bronzies, GW ,Makos.Theres shit load of them out there,
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Think some of the land based
Think some of the land based shark fishers will see their catch rate drop with this.
More drum lines, kill the bloody sharks!
timboon
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Damo how is ones Intelligence
Damo how is ones Intelligence judged exactly when this pops up?
Index not Indix....Kiwi??
Another know it all that plays the judge...
I`d like to know the age of you Shark huggers... Were you so vocal prior to them becoming protected, picket lines on the naughty Shark Hunters front doors or did you just accept it?
Net fishers still catch GW`s, do you petition loudly and proudly to stop this?
Suck it up fellas & cry yourselves to sleep...
outdoinit
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Hahahahaha... Well bloody said mate
Clean a few of them up and do it now...
I've spent half my life fishing.. The other half I have wasted..
damo6230
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pretty simple
but least you can spell
thanks timboon
as usual your a boon to us all with your sage words
thank you master
I'm now bowing if you can see me.....
its got nothing to do with huggers
but it sure does illicit some exciting replies in the 'judgement' stakes
lets see it you understand that?
hezzy
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seems the mayor of amity has
seems the mayor of amity has spoken on how to deal with the problem ,
you will all be able to surf /swim safer soon folks , lol
jeez jaws is an old movie now , but the basic response to the masses is the same , he can only hope he gets a better outcome
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scotto
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Puckety-pucken-puck yeah!
This is a good thing, and about 20 years overdue in my opinion. In the simplest way possible, they need to die.
A more exciting way to target these sharks would be a baited hand grenade with a cord attached to the grenade pin, all tethered to a float/drum. Mr white swims up, swallows half a sambo with a hint of grenade flavour, turns and swims off, pulls pin, 5.....4.........3..................2...........
outdoinit
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Friggin funny mate..
hahhaha
I've spent half my life fishing.. The other half I have wasted..
damo6230
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chick chick boom
right on cue Scotto
petermac
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love it
simple and cheap , good way to get rid of unused military ordnance hahahah
petermac
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totaly agree
scotto , this is the metro that these attacks are happening not remote spots in the Pilbara , seems strange to me there are plenty of 16ft tigers cruising around up in the north west, the odd one will have a go but generaly they don't and if you don't see one on a dive you wonder why is it all the attacks have been attributed to GWS, because they are responsible , I recon they have their own territory that they patrol and will defend
Super peg
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So when did these predators
So when did these predators became protected? And from that time to now ... Would that be enough time for all the juvie GWs to of grown up and become 4+metres
an therefore there is now a lot more XL sized ones around then before?
just a thought, I don't know the length per year stats of the species ( I you know please share)
I agree that something must be done, but whether of not a big cull is the ansew or not I don't know, I've not the credentials or the experience of how it was before.
but what I am worried about is how this will effect the marine ecosystems as a whole, removing the king pins could stir some shit up down there big time
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kamo king
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Thumbs up from me, it's about
Thumbs up from me, it's about time something
is being done about them
Fathom
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You cant stop them, they have
You cant stop them, they have been 1 of the top 5 predators for millenium, Humans on the other hand are gutless cowards
petermac
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excusse me but
as far as I know humans are No 1 predator on the planet, humans gutless cowards?? I have faced a big tiger shark in full charge and blasted him with a smokie when he was about a meter away from me and before you say I did the wrong thing , it was him or me and yes I was shiting myself
terboz123
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far from it and that is your
far from it and that is your mind set speaking....show me fact that humans are 100%?
a hard days fishing still beats work
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Well,
We are responsible for wiping out the most species on the planet! Can't argue with that for statistics!
dr_nasty
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Cull, cull, cull! That is
Cull, cull, cull! That is obviously the answer. Knee jerk reaction, when we need this reaction to so many bigger problems out there. If this is the answer - there is so many people who need culling before these sharks. Honestly surprised at the support of the decision, especially on this site. A sad state of affairs.....
Let that reel scream!
Paul G
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All against culling please go
All against culling please go to http://fishwrecked.com/forum/those-opposed-culling-great-whites-and-other-large-sharks and have a cry over there.
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squidder
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Maybe
an understanding as to why the big fellas are coming closer to the shore.
Commercial net fishers would love to have the W.P's out of the equation seeing they feed on sharks which, if some of you should take time to read fisheries reports, are in a bad way.
Sorry if I upset some but everyone has an opinion.
sea-kem
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Love the West!
West Coast
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Bad way???
Can you please point me in the direction of the report that says sharks off WA are in a bad way. I hear fisheries have been very surprised by the rebound in shark numbers, so surprised they reckon within 3 years the shark fishery will be back to its original bio mass.
sea-kem
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That's a nice thought out
That's a nice thought out and measured response mate. Well informed opinion there.
Love the West!
damo6230
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Bite
More fun getting a 'bite' from you Paul
Paul G
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Not realy a bite maybe a
Not realy a bite maybe a nibble I don't realy give a shit a few sharks less would be nice ,lower my chances of seeing one .A bit of a boaring night .so just stired the pot a little.
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jighead
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Eating qualitys
Wonder what a white tastes like?
Super peg
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IDE eat one if it was deemed
IDE eat one if it was deemed safe... Metals and all
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while freezing, sweating, swatting and swearing.
TorquenFish
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I think some of you must
I think some of you must have real red itchy necks right about now. Have we not learnt that just killing shit without data to validate it never ends well? I'm hardly a greenie by any means but I believe this is the wrong way to go about an almost non-problem.
squidder
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Last time drums
were set in Bunkers Bay, for BIG sharks, 3 reasonable sized Bz Whalers were caught.
At a cost of $10000 to a very experienced Pro. What a fkn joke
dr_nasty
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Stupid decision made by
Stupid decision made by ignorant people - supported by ill-informed people. Statistics support this, 11 deaths in 13 years - statistically insignificant per capita. Maybe we should ban people swimming in the ocean, even better ban sharks from swimming in the ocean...oh shit this is what the government is already doing. Common sense people.
Let that reel scream!
saltatrix
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This is on Twitter #perthnews
This is on Twitter #perthnews http://sharkmanofcortez.com/shark-protection-its-all-about-oil/
Angling tourism is worth $10 billion to the Australian economy - 90000 jobs; more than any sport; spread the word
timboon
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And what if your
And what if your wrong...
Explain it then, why have the numbers of fatalities gone up dramatically?
There has only been 20 deaths ever in WA since data was recorded way back when so why has there been so many in recent years??
I think to add to the debate I`m happy to add I live down south and surf mostly between Ellensbrook and Gracetown.
It directly affects me, I was 300 metres away surfing the night before and heading down for a surf there that morning when I got the call. Could have been me, could have been a mate.
The last fatality in SA was a friend who I grew up with, a few years younger but a top bloke just coming of age.
Feel free to chirp in what it is you do on or in the ocean if you feel the need to add to the debate.
I`m one for an alternative but something needs doing, while there is no alternative then unfortunately for the Whites and maybe a few Bronzies hooks to be set....
TorquenFish
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Why have shark attacks gone
Why have shark attacks gone up? I'd suggest that is purely due to sharks being in closer than ever searching for food (as our fishing puts pressure on their resources too) and having more interaction with humans (growing population, more people in the water etc). If anyone has got a stat for deaths/head of capita over the years I'd be interested. Also surely you admit that the proposed tactics isn't going to make your chosen water recreational activity any safer? Surfing offshore in deep water is always going to pose a risk of a shark attack.
For the record I work as a marine biologist in a private consultancy firm. Don't do research, all my work revolves around dredge and infrastructure projects for government/mining/oil and gas companies. I use the ocean to fish, dive occasionally, swim and snorkel. I accept that I do take a small risk when I enter the ocean to do these things.
MattMiller
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More people in the water?
i'd happily argue that over the last 2-3yrs there are LESS surfers in the water along the capes region than there were 5-10yrs ago.
My 2 reaons would be huge increase in resident Seal populations in the capes regions coupled with GW's loss of fear for humans possibly caused by cage diving.
TorquenFish
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You're telling me that GWs
You're telling me that GWs did fear humans at one point? Lol.
damo6230
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There are plenty of alternatives
Research for one
Blind ignorance only leads to more blind ignorance
Im happy to see my fishing license fee go towards research, I mean that's what I pay for
fisharoo
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Fully agree with research!,
Fully agree with research!, should get the same Japanese whaling research team do do some research on the sharks in WA.
Franko78
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What a surprise that a
What a surprise that a politician ignores scientific research and bows to the public's knee jerk reaction asking for a shark cull. Like has beost animals we are their demise, like I said hopefully another way of deterring becomes available post cull then they can get back to the numbers that's sustainable for the species.n said already surprising to see such fishing enthusiasts with such little regard for the complex ecosystem they take from every time they head out fishing. Don't want indiscriminate killing of sharks, regardless of breed or size? Yes that makes us tree huggers, hippies and we will need to go home and cry ourselves to sleep?
One female Great White shark would take approximately 20 years to contribute as little as 4 or up to 20 shark offspring from their birth. As for 'sustainable populations'? How can you define a sustainable population when the species' main food source is being fished out, especially in metro Perth?
Super peg
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We can't stop the food being
We can't stop their food being taken though, can't ban seafood for a couple years, families would suffer, economy would too,
saying we have taken their food is something Captain Hindsight would say it's correct but it's useless, sure we have fished heavily, but we are learning to fish more sunstainably more then ever,
their food was always gonna be under pressure, we too eat fish and there is more of us than sharks, but.... If We cull a few and then there's enough food to go round, they may not be inclined to search out a hamstring or two
dont think anyone is saying lets make them extinct? Just thin the numbers again
i don't think anyone wants to fully eradicate a species.
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D_d_001
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believe it or not there are a
believe it or not there are a few that want the species wiped out.
See "meteorite" comments beginning of pg 4 of "shark culling".
Meteorite: "Nobody will miss them - we can't eat them, interact with them or otherwise"
seriously what do you say to that ?
catch.fish
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Shark cull
Do people really believe that some baited drum lines and a few culled sharks are going to somehow cause the mass extinction of the great white shark and life as we know it? Great Whites where never endangered in west australian waters in the first place they where considered vulnarable at the time of becoming protected and some believe with the closure of whaling the local great white population had already been on the rebound.
Around a similar time we also protected seals and whales - the great whites major food source. Whale and seal populations have boomed I dont think a lot the general public realize just how much the population of whales has rebounded along our coast line along with big seal colonies that never existed before.
If whale and seal populations have been able to recover so well why not great whites? does the public really believe they are endangered on our coastline? I think we've been incredibly lucky so far with how many fatalities have occurred, it seems like every second week I talk to someone who's had a close encounter. I also have friends who had to pull half a guy out of the water, absolutely horrific shit they'll never enjoy the ocean the same way again. If its so rare why has it already effected so many people? They are being seen everywhere all the time, a lot of it is just not reported!
It seems like a lot of people are really vocal about shark protection with sharks being endangered and it's true. In a lot of other parts of the world sharks are absolutely endangered - they are overhunted with no regulation and killed in the thousands for there fins, it's horrible! But thats not Western Australia, here we have one of the tightest managed fisheries in the world. We have some ridiculous % of the entire worlds sanctuary zones in WA alone. Whales, seals, shark populations are really rebounding here at a solid rate! If you've spent any time diving in the past 5 years you would agree there are heaps more juvenile demersal fish getting around, our fish stocks are well managed and for the most part healthy!
You really genuinely care about sharks so much? Get on a plane and go do something about the real problem. Seems like most of the people on the anti-cull side either don't use the ocean for diving / surfing or are relying on stats and facts they have heard about sharks being endangered in other counties to base a decision. It's also mighty easy and feels good to take the high road and feel like you're a good person for saving an animal when choosing a side in a debate that doesn't really effect you.
Slightly thinning out the local great white population in WA waters absolutely reduces the risk of running into one, so long as they are sensible about it and continue to track numbers and tag as best they can I am all for it.
Super peg
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Well said
Well said
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terboz123
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mate......i dive, i swim etc
mate......i dive, i swim etc etc...your point saying that is ignorant.
I am opposed to a mass cull but listening to this minor cull and havnt came to a conlusion whether i agree or disagree to what the state government thinks....
your using reference of numbers and populations when protected..... good i actuelly agree with your points bar one the "local white population"....dude its fact whites are a species that migrate. there is no local whites they stay in one paticular area for good and that has been prooven.
What i dont like about the government proposition is that yes if they get alarms for one shark and go out and set baits, what if they hook one but there is another one within the local area and the second takes a life due to the government baiting the water. They wont hold them selves partially accountable for the death. There is a major element of risk in the proposition and thats what i dont like.
secondly (this isnt directed at your post) i will not start posting in the other thread because to be honest i get the enjoyment reading everyones posts and point of views, especially the ones that are so far out rediculously ignorant and stupid!
This is a public forum for discussion. No matter what side of the fence you sit, no one is telling me what threads i can or cant use.
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Point noted
Yeah mate point noted it is a bit ignorant to claim "most people on the anti cull side dont dive / surf" - I was speaking more so of the general public who like to weigh in vocally on the debate yet most won't ever set a foot in the waters offshore. The point I was trying to make is that a lot of people have already made there mind up with no effort whatsoever to actually look into the data or weigh things up to see if there might actually be an issue in WA waters - a lot of people straight away take the high moral ground as it feels good to be saving an animal and seems like the right thing to do. However I should not have used that argument on this forum as I would say most people on here do actually use the ocean regularly regardless of which side of the debate they are on, so fair point there!
When I say "local" populations of Great Whites I mean Australian not WA or a particular town or area etc. Yes they move and migrate all the time - but if you go check out almost any of the successful tagged white sharks migration patterns in Australia they all make a very simiilar repeat migration over and over just like the whales and its rarely a migration from Australia to another country (NZ is fairly common I believe but long hauls to SA or anywhere else have only been recorded once or twice? although obviously it does happen!) fact is the bulk of sattelite tagged australian GWS have been seen to hug our coast and patrol back and forth - often following the whale migration.
So while we might not have a "local white population" that lives all year at one particular spot we do actually have a "local population" that migrates around our coast regularly returning to the same haunts each year!
Syked
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Agree 100% catch.fish. Well
Agree 100% catch.fish. Well said
ps love the youtube vid from up north.
syked
terboz123
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yerh mate....i was under the
yerh mate....i was under the impression you ment one white stays in one paticular area......all good bro
a hard days fishing still beats work
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It's good to see most people
It's good to see most people on this forum are able to agree to disagree, that's a rare thing on the internet! Fact is nobody is right when it comes to this argument, it's all opinion and a big grey area there is no correct answer. Going to be interesting to see how it all pans out this summer.
Whether the cull has an effect or not I just hope it's enough to get some of my mates keen to get back in the water with me, havnt been able to do much of 2 of my biggest passions in life in surfing + diving lately. The last couple of years I've had an increasingly hard time convincing any of my mates to come for a dive with me, none of them are keen on the risk anymore. Flip side to that is I have done a heap more fishing instead and scored some great fish so maybe it's a blessing in disguise haha.
catch.fish
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cheers
Thanks Syked!