just let the commercials back in and bring the shark population back to reasonable numbers. The barges are stuffed the beaches are risky, big noahs are plague off Ffb. Yet the green community is happy for people to get eaten??
Hear we go cull the sharks, let's cull cars, aeroplanes, swimming pools, I could go on, there's a lot of things out there that kill a lot more people than sharks, don't get me wrong my heart goes out to the guy and his family but he could have rolled his car getting of the beach and suffered injury or death just as easily. What would you do about that?
Caught a shark and killed it but the beaches will be closed for several days. That tells me that fisheries are not sure they caught the shark that attacked but are now culling sharks. So the shark cull has begun.
C'mon uncle, settle petal. I certainly feel for the guy who got bitten today as I do the 3 or 4 who were taken in the last few years in the southwest. But drum lines are a knee jerk reaction. In the past I've fished places out from Cape Naturaliste and seen some huge whites, but they just go about their own business, but if my boat suddenly sunk, there's a good chance he would have a nibble on me because that's what they do, they eat shit. And I think we're going to have our work cut out for us to teach them anything different. If I was to play marbles on the freeway, then there's a pretty good chance I'm gonna get cleaned up, so I play me doogs in the median strip, chances are lessened 10 fold, but there's still a chance. Life's full of chances, good and bad.
the family will be really impressed, didn't take that muppet from sea shepard long, wants to charge the Premior, everyone on here talks about the HUGE no of sharks, I wouldn't lose any sleep if they cull most of them.
There was 2 whites, both of them harassing surfers for the past 3 weeks...everyone said it would only be a matter of time because of the attitudes of these sharks. They attacked my wife's cousin from Bunno.
Now there is only one...and a lot of spooked surfers.
According to ABC news reporter who spoke to paramedic who was there, the bloke said it was two bronze whalers that got him so another case of mistaken identity.
Bet they won't comment on what they didn't find in the white pointers guts.
Until then Howard why spruke all and any bullshit you hear/read from everywhere else ???
The bloke has been bitten and fisheries may or may not have caught the shark that did it.
That's the only facts so far.
As I stated previously marble I heard the ABC put out the report and that is the truth and I find your comments amusing because you are also relying on things you hear and read whether they be fact or fiction.
Commercial TV stations are in the business of making money for the shareholders and will do anything to get more people to watch and therefore watch the adverts, this includes not quite telling the whole truth. ABC on the other hand belongs to us and doesn't have to worry about ratings or boosting news to make it more sensational to the viewers.
put that dick simon petterfry on the end of end of a drum line but guess he will have to retire now , but nah he will do something stupid again , expect to see him at the next greeny protest , they must be due to hit muja power station again
7 news reported that a shark had been caught which may be the one that attacked the surfer at Esperance today.
Now surely they can tell by opening up the sharks gut to look for human remains, this will give a pretty good idea if it is the shark responsible for the attack, the shark was described as being a 3 - 4 metre great white.
Channel 2 news said that the attacked person is quoted as saying that he was attacked by 2 bronze whalers in a feeding frenzy type of attack.
Now, to me things appear to be a bit unclear as to what exactly attacked the surfer. Hopefully tomorrow will allow for a more accurate report on the event to be forthcoming.
If the quote of the surfer saying it was 2 bronze whalers that attacked him is correct, and the fisheries have caught a great white shark, then all that has happened is the GW has been blamed for something it didn't do. Still that is in sync with the justice system in WA at the moment.
Until people stop dressing up like a prey item these attacks will continue. The more people push into what used to be remote places, the more these attacks will continue. Sad for the guy and his family of course.
You wouldn't put on a gezelle suit and run through the plains of Africa.
Has any testing been done on bright black and yellow wetsuits? Dressing up like something they don't want to eat may help?
I think there are a lot of people looking forward to the result (which we hope are transparent)of the examination of the 2 sharks taken to Perth.
If as Woody states there where 2 great whites harassing people (surfers) over the previous two weeks why wasn't the beach closed or at least warning signs in place to advise people of the threat that is visible in the area (2 GWs harassing people)
When there is a storm on the coast the local town council/shire will close the beach and tell all and sundry that the responsible authority (shire/council) have declared conditions to dangerous to swim surf in.
However when 2 GWs are harassing people in the area this doesn't appear to cause any alarm and the placing of signage warning of the danger, or where there signs up, and why is the beach now closed for a couple of we3eks as a precaution just in case we haven't caught the right sharks.
Confused, you are not alone good people.
There's a saying that goes something along the lines of " those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it" some time back there was a GW known to be ensconced in a popular surfing beach north of Perth, now it was well known to the local surfing crew and it fact it was even give a nick name (Bruce or some such thing) a new young surfer did not know of this and entered the water for a surf, end result was his most tragic death as a result of an attack by a shark.
Did the local surfing crew tell the local authorities about this threat to life and limb like responsible citizens, did the local authority know and do nothing about it.
At some point in time those who see/know about these threats to life must act in a responsible manner and advise those who can do something about it, perhaps close the beach for a while until it can be determined that there is no apparent threat at the time of investigation into the reported sighting.
Or is there a culture in the surfing fraternity of suck it up princess and get on with things.
Maybe the locals were trying to catch and kill 'Bruce' without bringing attention to the area from fisheries/greenies as they are now doing with other sharks in the area
What other sort of examination can you do beside slitting its stomach open and having a look at its contents, the earlier you do it the better.
BUT when you can do it in controlled circumstances where only the select few can observe and report what they find makes you wonder about getting a true report
Maybe the greenies can volunteer to wipe the young guys ass for the next 40 years. Either way two less whites in the ocean with the cray season about to begin and shitloads of divers hitting the water sounds good to me
Just plain unlucky for this guy and my thoughts for him and his family. Drum lines won't fix the problem either will a cull, it's a matter of wrong place wrong time. You'd have to set lines at every surf beach in the state for that policy to be effective. But don't get me wrong I hate the greenies as much as everyone else and especially when they interfere with said lines that are in place as law. There's no easy answer on this one boys, let's face it surfing alone or at a secluded beach is not a good idea down south. I reckon as I've said before a sustainable fishery on all types of sharks is a good way of controlling numbers, but it still won't cure just plain bad luck.
that it would reduce the odds considerably. When you think about it, we as humans are actually helping these larger sharks remain on top of the food chain by flogging out other parts of the food chain. Whithout any scientific study or figures, why not knock a few off to even the balance out.
Sorry for your loss surfer dude..Hope you find some peace of mind soon..
that by us taking out some of the food chain it makes the top of the food chain look for something else to eat. This time it happened to be a person. Yeh sorry, I explained it the wrong way, it was early.
White sharks are supposedly rare / endangered and on the brink of becoming extinct, even though they are not exactly sure what their numbers are ?. But there just happened to be two swimming in the same area and at the same time as fisheries dropped the lines. Do some of you blokes still believe in Santa as well.
The way I see it might sound simple. I am a dog lover and have 3. Wouldnt hurt them ever, BUT if one of them and any other dog bites a human causing injury it is GONE.
In my job I treat quite a few dog bites and I instantly call the Rangers and report this. It is something that is not on.
The same IMO about sharks. Im not in favour of culling but hunting them down sure. The problem we have is that identifying the culprit after the attack is not as easy as ID-ing the responsible dog, so a few innocent "bystanding" sharks might fall victim.
Bring on "007" with a licence to kill threatening sharks and be done with that.
What pisses me off most is no Greenies complain off the nets off South African beaches, in Queensland etc. Just poor isolated WA cops it. Now all greenies against sharks piss off anf go and try picking on other places and leave us Sandgropers in peace to decide OUR destiny.
I feel dam sorry for the young bloke who was attacked , this will no doubt radically change his future for the worse , make no mistake about that
just stop for a sec and look at your hands , imagine how much you depend on em , even with prosthetics, it wont be easy for him
while all reports from the area are saying the locals have been seeing GW cruising over the last two weeks or so , he apparently thought they where bronzies, ??
how good would he have been able to see them from the board ? during the attack etc, ? with shock setting in ? seems a bit odd to me that with several reports of GW its bronzies that he thinks attacked him ?
did anyone recently listen to the abc reporting on the fisheries tagging GW down south ?? along the Albany coast south I think it was , they tagged 6 over several days , all feeding on a dead whale in the area, so there doesn't seem to be any shortage of the bastard things imho
as saltatrix pointed out why are the greenys so concerned with GW , plenty of sharks are killed across australia every day one way or another ,why not chase that dream ??
there arguments don't make much sense these greeny protesters in time wont even want you to eat friggin eggs , pick tomatoes etc if they keep getting their stupid ideas in mainstream social media where they gain popularity ,things like catch and release will definitly be a target for them
if the sharks a menace kill it , theres been enough killing/maiming to warrant a reduction if they can do it asap after an attack ,
the other best alternative is protective netting of the swimming beaches , drum lines are too random
id still like to see a shark tagging program in tandem with a reduction in their numbers
local surfers,fishos, etc , may need to help more with alerting the general public that use out of the way places , as suggested above
its only early oct, lets hope this isn't the start of another horror run on our coast
How is it that when a dog attacks someone or another dog it is put down. It is not the dogs fault but the owners. Shark attacks/kills someone and there is outcry from the greens etc if it is killed. I wonder how many greenies actually swim in the ocean.
Double standards I think.
Time for a cull to reduce shark numbers. WEhen commercial fishos were alolow to take sharks we did not have as many attacks.
Also drum lines have been operating in QLD for many years but no complaints about that.
Just to clarify
in reality the general "greeney" is not against the hunting and destroying of an individual known killer shark ...or croc or dog etc.
look at the difference in "outcry" (when a cull was introduced last year) and when suspected killers (the two GW's yesterday) were dispatched.
Nobody is against this.
A cull is far different from killing an individual known killer.
I know many MANY who are against a cull. I actually know nobody who is against killing an individual killer shark.
Yep agree totally Iceman,the young bloke who got "bitten",ie had his arm and hand ripped off was meant to be playing in the local GF down here on the weekend.Might head on down there and take a bit of a poll on who thinks the mongrel things should be left alone.I am over it the politically correct are f@#$ing it up for those that actually get out and do it ,rather than sitting in front of a tv or pc and pretending.Next one that comes up to my boat wont be getting itself on a video thats for sure.
Know an abalone diver who is calling divers and surfers to stay out of the water for a month. he said there is a lot of big aggressive whites around at the moment, a heap more than last year and his sources are very very reliable
Founded by the children of Joseph N. Pew, CEO of the Sun Oil Company, (Sunoco), the Pew Charitable Trusts have donated millions to environmental groups. Sunoco is considered an environmental leader in the oil and gas industry.
The Shark Trust is just one of 85 NGOs who receive funding from Pew, as part of the Shark Alliance, which Pew formed. This benefactor expects environmental groups within the Shark Alliance to toe their party line, or lose funding.
The important thing to remember here is that Pew are the biggest hitter in shark conservation, (Babe Ruth!) and they’re an American charitable foundation created from an American oil corporation.
The obvious question is: why is an oil company channeling dollars to save sharks?The answer: it was a strategy to improve the oil company’s image. Greenwashing!
Oil corporations reinvented themselves as energy corporations keen to push their environmental credentials. BP, British Petroleum,(remember the Deepwater Horizon debacle and subsequent coastal devastation?) They changed their company logo to the eco-friendly yellow and green sunburst. (How cute!)
I guess, choose your petrol station crefully, if you want to continue fishing
Well if that info that Saltatrix links is accurate then it needs to be posted periodically so people are aware of the big picture . Do you dispute it as legit ?
Regarding your previous post , stating you know of no one whom is against the killing of the 2 GWs . Here’s a link to some prominent local activists who receive a fair bit of media attention , calling for the arrest of Barnett and prioritising the fate of the shark without any compassion shown whatsoever towards the victim .
These are the f...wits Uncle is referring to and I agree whole heartedly .
Hey and to answer your questions Chris. no I don't dispute the link I have no idea as to it's validity. Just seem to see the link in 3 out of 4 of saltrix's posts. Do you stand behind it as wholly accurate?
Iceman said that if a shark attacks/kills someone then there is an outcry from the greens if the shark is killed. He compared it to a vicious dog being put down. I havn't seen the "outcry" over the 2GW being dispatched.. sure there was on outcry when a cull was introduced but I just havn't seen the beach protests etc etc when the 2GW's were killed.
the FB page in your post ....um sure there are some idiots in the minority of the "anti cull" population but they are the minority in that population
this was the point I was trying to make.
Ie. that the vast majority ....at least of the people I know, who may be against the cull have no probs killing a known killer shark.
The only hype still hanging about from all this is on commercial TV stations, trying to drag it on as long as possible and get more advertising in the meantime.
Give it a week or two the 60 minutes and the one that channel 7 has will stick some bullshit on to keep the ball rolling.
I have no problem with them killing sharks, my beef is that they waste them after they are killed, worse than the Jap and Tiawanese longliners finning sharks IMO.
Yep straight to the dump John. I'll say it again, there can be a good out come with a sustainable fishery out of all this. Surely there are good products to be gotten from the bigger sharks, oils etc?
We tried tigers, dusky whalers, bronzie, thickskins, pig eye whalers, lemons and tawny nurse livers for oils and none were any good, seems the green eyed shark is about the only one with enough in it to make it worthwhile. That only leaves the fins and jaws, with sale of them prohibited.
For sharks that size the flesh is as tough as nails though we had a market for it in Asia and I have no idea what they did with it to soften it up or get rid of the high mercury content from the tigers.
[quote Iceman said that if a shark attacks/kills someone then there is an outcry from the greens if the shark is killed. He compared it to a vicious dog being put down. I havn't seen the "outcry" over the 2GW being dispatched.. sure there was on outcry when a cull was introduced but I just havn't seen the beach protests etc etc when the 2GW's were killed. um sure there are some idiots in the minority of the "anti cull" population but they are the minority in that population
this was the point I was trying to make.
Ie. that the vast majority ....at least of the people I know, who may be against the cull have no probs killing a known killer shark.]
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well the leader of the opposition in wa mark McGowan and his green leader counter part where in the media over the last few days ,reported as being against the killing of the 2 GW down at whylie bay after this recent attack , so there two reasonably prominent ''idiots if you like ,
you gotta wonder do such people as mark McGowan really believe killing 2 GW is such a bad thing ?? does it really offend &go against the core values they believe in ??or is it just bs political point scoring at any cost ??
seriously this guy wants to be put in charge of the state gov , if enough people vote for him , how about they stop trying to score points by tacking left and right following fringe social media polls based on popularity and actually make policy decisions and public comment on what is going to be good for all of the publics best interest ?
people want our leaders to lead , personally im not interested in how many fffn likes he gets by following social media policy
you can be sure saltatrix has checked his facts in those links , anyone who looks at the bigger political picture on greenwashing of large multinationals can see its acase of follow the money , research pew and see why there here in Australia pushing marine parks etc
I think we shall all have to wait a while to see what actual transparent facts emerge from this horrific event then and only then can sound decisions be made about mitigating the dangers.
you cannot take fishermen accounts as credible source im sorry. the higher sighting rates are mainly due to the ten fold extra numbers of people that are in the water since the 90s. there are way more coastal suburbs and marinas and way more people with money that own boats. there is no real way of knowing what shark numbers are doing but i can tell you that being apex predators they breed very slowly. between the 90s and now i would doubt there are many more than before. only way to find out is to tag them.
i feel for the victims of such attacks, they are horrific but money could be much better spent than to put revenge lines to kill things we know so little about.
i love nature, that does not make me a greenie or a hippy, i dont spit on war veterans, my family comes from them.
I just think scare tactics on something which gets huge media attention for the very small numbers and gets overinflated. you want to see more horrific injuries then visit the rehab ward at shenton hospital. not just traffic accidents, also people in their 30s and 40s having suffered strokes from being obese. many many more people than are affected by sharks. yet no one hears of these people. maybe we should put drum lines outside mcdonalds and HJs, they are killing far more people.
Well thats your opinion Fausto,but i am more inclined to believe the abalone divers down that way who dive all the time and there is a fixed amount of them due to the availability of a licence. They are saying that there is way more Whites around than ever before.
Go down to Cowaramup and tell the crew there that its all just media scare tactics.
Not sure but i thought after the autopsy on the 2 GW's killed it was reported that one had an electronic tag in it anybody here that?
[ fausto.... you cannot take fishermen accounts as credible source im sorry. the higher sighting rates are mainly due to the ten fold extra numbers of people that are in the water since the 90s. there are way more coastal suburbs and marinas and way more people with money that own boats. there is no real way of knowing what shark numbers are doing but i can tell you that being apex predators they breed very slowly. between the 90s and now i would doubt there are many more than before. .]
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fausto , I also would disagree with your comment above mate , id ask you to read the link below &reflect on what we know about them for a min
heres a hypothetical for you on the numbers game with them
in 1999 as an apex predator they where protected , now if there numbers where as low as 1000 only in Australia waters, from babys to mature adults, lets say only 10% of that 1000 GW where of breeding age at 15 plus years , then lets assume those 10%of animals , that's 100 , only half where female ,
so in 1999 there where 50 mature 15 year old + female GW able to breed each season , now they can have up to 12 pups every 2-3 years, so lets assume lowest numbers of 50 female Gw producing just 6 live babys every 3 years ok ,
so 50 mums x 6 babys x 15 years [5 breeding cycles ] = 1500 new GW recruited into the system from that first lot of 1999 size breeding females alone , , now if you then consider how many females reach breeding age each new year since 1999 and add them in the same way ,some of the original babys born are now old enough to breed as well even given all info is hypothetical it isn't hard to believe there numbers are on the rise is it ??
given the increase in whale numbers of the coast &seals there is food aplenty to support them here imo
Shark attacks and whale migration
in Western Australia
Shark numbers
The main predators/scavengers of whales in the Indian and Southern oceans are killer whales and great white sharks.
Great whites have had 15 years of recovery as a protected species in WA waters (since 1999). Whenever possible they feast on weak, injured and dead whales, with a taste for vulnerable humpback calves that are born during the northern migration from Antarctica and escorted by their mothers to and from the Kimberley where they are nurtured during winter and spring.
During their journeys south to the Antarctic from WA's northern waters, usually beginning around August, humpbacks swim closer to the shore and hug the bays because it better protects their young.
This is evident through the increasing number of Western Australia pod strandings that mostly occur during the southern leg of the migratory season, with reports since 2009 of more humpbacks coming ashore in poor condition along the WA coastline and fears their population is exceeding the available food.
More sharks are drawn close to WA shores where the whale prey has become plentiful, and it has been decades since so many were swimming off the beaches of Western Australia.
WA's humpback population around 1900 was estimated at a little over 30,000. In 1935 it was less than 17,000 and by 1949 it was below 10,000.
Records indicate there were five fatal shark attacks in WA from 1896 to 1925. Modern hunting techniques were wiping out humpback populations in following years and there were just three fatal shark attacks from 1925 to 1995.
By the 1960s there were less than 600 adult humpbacks off the WA coast. Since their slaughter was banned in 1963, numbers have rebounded by about 10% per year with some studies suggesting population growth close to 12%. Since 1995 there have been 13 fatal attacks with one blamed on tiger sharks, two unknown species and the rest great whites.
The whales disappeared and the sharks disappeared. The whales returned, the sharks returned, and this time they've found a lot more humans swimming nearby.
Shark biology
Fairly uncommon compared to other shark species even before human exploitation, global numbers of great whites have crashed by 60% to 95% in different oceans around the world since the 1800s. Albeit a dubiously low figure, a 2010 survey suggested there were just 3,500 left on the planet.
Great whites are not a strictly coastal species and are know to swim between South Africa and Australia through cold lower latitudes, their habitat including several thousand kilometres north along the WA coast. This is the humpback whales' migratory path.
great white shark migration
The female great white is believed to reach sexual maturity at between 12 and 17 years, possibly older. It is unlikely that this species, which was protected since 1999 because of its threatened status, has somehow exploded in number within a single generation.
No matter how many great white sharks are in the Indian Ocean, it is logical that they will be lured toward their favourite food so they can scavenge or kill a dying adult humpback, a vulnerable, sick or aborted calf, or a carcass that permeates oil for kilometres around.
The video below of 27 great white sharks eating a 10 metre whale carcass provides a further clue why this species would be attracted to the tens of thousands of humpbacks swimming up and down WA's coast each year, the 13,000 kilometre journey taking its toll on the southern leg with newborn needing protection and hundreds dying.
Click the Play arrow above
This evidence suggests there may be a reproductive stimulus among great white sharks feasting on a whale carcass, the huge meal causing a hormone release due to signals there is abundant food and the environment is conducive to breeding.
Estimates of great white longevity vary from 23 to well over 50 years and these sharks can survive for about two weeks from a single large meal (aka a whale).
Great white sharks usually give birth to between five and 10 pups, each about 1.5 metres long, and the females are assumed to reproduce roughly every three years. There is no maternal care from birth and pup survival is believed to be low.
Not all newborn will survive because of disease and natural predation, although man's activities may have reduced the toll from other predators (i.e. reduced numbers of other shark species and slowly recovering killer whales).
Research such as the extract below from the book Global Perspectives on the Biology and Life History of the White Shark shows that in large sharks, the greatest mass of their diet is whale meat:
diet of great white sharks
Similar clues can be found in Using Stable Isotope Analysis to Understand the Migration and Trophic Ecology of Northeastern Pacific White Sharks:
whale diet of white sharks
The research suggests that as great whites become larger they increasingly target marine mammal prey and, with most of their diet comprising whale, it is probable their habitat is influenced by the location and availability of these animals.
New insights into white shark movements in Australia, published by the CSIRO, notes that great whites move north along the Australian east coast in autumn/winter as far as central Queensland and then return south during spring, with research suggesting that in WA waters they migrate north during winter and return south in early summer. These migratory timetables have been tied to fish spawning seasons on the east coast but they also coincide with the migration of whales which constitute the largest food mass of large great white sharks.
It is likely that great white numbers in Australian waters have increased since protected species status was enforced in 1999, bearing in mind these sharks traverse the Southern and Indian oceans, but this recovery is from an historically low base.
It is probable that oceanic shark numbers are less important than the great white's preferred feeding habitat, which has become more attractive along the WA coastline since whale numbers exploded and may help explain both the increase in shark numbers and the more likely attack months.
humback whale migration in wa
great white shark population shark attacks in wa whale migration in wa whale migration in australia humpback migration paths whale migration patterns humpback whale swimming right whale swimming wa right whale population sperm whale swimming shark attack months wa shark attack months wa shark months wa shark proportions wa great white proportions wa great white fatalities australian swimming participation
i appreciate both your comments and both may be very credible but the fact of the matter is without any background knowledge it cannot be proven. yea if the abalone divers are seeing more sharks i am not calling them liars but it is possible the reason they see more is that their food sources are depleted and they are looking at other ways to source this food. seal colonies are getting smaller, penguin colonies are getting smaller, fish stocks are getting smaller all down the food chain bar a few exceptions.
i dont disagree with either of you two all i am saying is that there seems to be a lynch mob mentality on this issue and the fact of the matter is that there are no facts. all is anectodal evidence but nothing is proven. I am just saying a strong 'scientific' case needs to be presented to prove all these opinions. even what i am saying above regarding food stocks and behavioural changes need to be looked at and proven, it may be complete BS but it also could be one of the main reasons.
you look at other instances in history where animals were seen as dangerous and pests to livestock etc. in europe they supposedly had licenses for bear hunting in order to keep numbers down (much like commercial licenses here) and bears in europe have been extinct for over 100 years. wolves almost met the same fate.
the politicians behind the scientific approach are just labelled greenies etc. maybe some are but it is important not to label the scientist behind the scenes in the same manner. they are not doing this work to gain popularity they just do it for the love of nature and science. these guys should be left to do their work without being used for other agendas and without having funding sources plundered.
so as i was saying, i am not disagreeing with you guys i just believe it should be looked at in more detail so a properly informed decision can be made. just like any court case. innocent until proven guilty.
there is one thing i disagree with hezzy and that is your reproductive calculations. there is almost no recorded evidence of mating and birth of great whites. mating has been seen only a handful of times, less than ten pregnant females have ever been disected and a live birth has never been witnessed by anyone with the right credentials. their breeding habits are still almost completely unknown.
I also have anectodal evidence from a crayfisherman (my cousin) who recons he always used to see sharks since he started in the 80s until he passed away last year. obviously he told me before that. but according to him you used to see sharks all the time and soon as anything is killed and letting of oils and blood or bait is present you attract everything. so that is contrary to what a lot of people in that type of trade say. which proves my point that anectodal evidence is not to be taken as fact.
Dale
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Nope
BAN THE DRUM LINES,!!
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southcity104
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ok no drum lines
just let the commercials back in and bring the shark population back to reasonable numbers. The barges are stuffed the beaches are risky, big noahs are plague off Ffb. Yet the green community is happy for people to get eaten??
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pricey10
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Agree! Our sharks are 10
Agree! Our sharks are 10 times worse up on north west only difference they don't eat ppl. Mind you we don't have surf breaks and a big population
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terboz123
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you have many of good surf
you have many of good surf break up north......
a hard days fishing still beats work
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GCGFC memberuncle
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does make you wonder how those cockheads
feel when someone gets eaten, useless oxygen thieves
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
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who is it you are talking
who is it you are talking about ?
uncle
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all those useless caring
f...wits who care more about the sharks, its going to be hard for the poor young fellow,just doing what he loves
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
D_d_001
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wouldn't get worked up about
wouldn't get worked up about it.
don't think there are any ppl out there who value the life of an individual shark over a human's.
aaasnapper
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Mate called to tell me a
Mate called to tell me a massive White came up to the boat ramp jetty at Port Kennedy this arvo. Something needs to be done.
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collin g wood
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Hear we go cull the sharks, let's cull cars, aeroplanes, swimming pools, I could go on, there's a lot of things out there that kill a lot more people than sharks, don't get me wrong my heart goes out to the guy and his family but he could have rolled his car getting of the beach and suffered injury or death just as easily. What would you do about that?
Howard George
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Figure this one out.
Caught a shark and killed it but the beaches will be closed for several days. That tells me that fisheries are not sure they caught the shark that attacked but are now culling sharks. So the shark cull has begun.
Dkontor
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they did say they thought it
they did say they thought it might be 2 sharks
Rob H
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from what I read there had
from what I read there had been multiple sightings in the area for a while and it was suspected there was some sort of ecological event happening?
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help me out here
Even when the drum lines were in place they weren't at that beach so they wouldn't have stopped this attack or am I missing something here??
Dale
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:(
C'mon uncle, settle petal. I certainly feel for the guy who got bitten today as I do the 3 or 4 who were taken in the last few years in the southwest. But drum lines are a knee jerk reaction. In the past I've fished places out from Cape Naturaliste and seen some huge whites, but they just go about their own business, but if my boat suddenly sunk, there's a good chance he would have a nibble on me because that's what they do, they eat shit. And I think we're going to have our work cut out for us to teach them anything different. If I was to play marbles on the freeway, then there's a pretty good chance I'm gonna get cleaned up, so I play me doogs in the median strip, chances are lessened 10 fold, but there's still a chance. Life's full of chances, good and bad.
cheers
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uncle
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love your piece about them eating shit
the family will be really impressed, didn't take that muppet from sea shepard long, wants to charge the Premior, everyone on here talks about the HUGE no of sharks, I wouldn't lose any sleep if they cull most of them.
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Dale
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,!
It's your opinion uncle and your entitled to it, as am I entitled to mine.
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BRING BACK THE SHARK FISHING
BRING BACK THE SHARK FISHING PROS AND LET THEM KILL GREAT WHITE, PROBLEM SOLVED !
barneyboy
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yep thinning a few out wouldn,t hurt anyone
you know like a bit of management that everyone bangs on about
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woody
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There was 2 whites, both of
There was 2 whites, both of them harassing surfers for the past 3 weeks...everyone said it would only be a matter of time because of the attitudes of these sharks. They attacked my wife's cousin from Bunno.
Now there is only one...and a lot of spooked surfers.
carnarvonite
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Bronzies
According to ABC news reporter who spoke to paramedic who was there, the bloke said it was two bronze whalers that got him so another case of mistaken identity.
Bet they won't comment on what they didn't find in the white pointers guts.
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Heard the same Carnarvonite
ABC are putting out that a couple of bronzies attacked the guy.
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Yep and everything on the
Yep and everything on the news is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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Time will tell. Marble.
The truth comes out in the long run Marble.
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Until then Howard why spruke
Until then Howard why spruke all and any bullshit you hear/read from everywhere else ???
The bloke has been bitten and fisheries may or may not have caught the shark that did it.
That's the only facts so far.
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Howard George
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The truth is Marble.
As I stated previously marble I heard the ABC put out the report and that is the truth and I find your comments amusing because you are also relying on things you hear and read whether they be fact or fiction.
carnarvonite
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Commercial stations
Commercial TV stations are in the business of making money for the shareholders and will do anything to get more people to watch and therefore watch the adverts, this includes not quite telling the whole truth. ABC on the other hand belongs to us and doesn't have to worry about ratings or boosting news to make it more sensational to the viewers.
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Yep
Absolutely
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I didn't state anything
I didn't state anything Howard, just commented on your willingness to spread information that you`ve seen/read and taken as gospel
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and i say
put that dick simon petterfry on the end of end of a drum line but guess he will have to retire now , but nah he will do something stupid again , expect to see him at the next greeny protest , they must be due to hit muja power station again
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Who the fark would believe the ABC
Most biast bullshitting left wing reporting you will ever see.
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UBIQUE
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Over 1000 tonnes of sharks
Over 1000 tonnes of sharks are taken by commercial fishermen each year in Western Australia.
Why arent the Greens and Sea Shepherd squealing about this?
If one shark is a cull then surely in the Greens eyes commercial fishermen taking 1000t sharks would be a massacre? Its all political bullcrap
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7 news tonight channel 2 news tonight
7 news reported that a shark had been caught which may be the one that attacked the surfer at Esperance today.
Now surely they can tell by opening up the sharks gut to look for human remains, this will give a pretty good idea if it is the shark responsible for the attack, the shark was described as being a 3 - 4 metre great white.
Channel 2 news said that the attacked person is quoted as saying that he was attacked by 2 bronze whalers in a feeding frenzy type of attack.
Now, to me things appear to be a bit unclear as to what exactly attacked the surfer. Hopefully tomorrow will allow for a more accurate report on the event to be forthcoming.
If the quote of the surfer saying it was 2 bronze whalers that attacked him is correct, and the fisheries have caught a great white shark, then all that has happened is the GW has been blamed for something it didn't do. Still that is in sync with the justice system in WA at the moment.
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Late news just in...we caught
Late news just in...we caught both GWs..and they are both being sent to Perth for research..how come you metro guys couldn't even catch one?
Bronzies...my arse!
z00m
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Until people stop dressing
Until people stop dressing up like a prey item these attacks will continue. The more people push into what used to be remote places, the more these attacks will continue. Sad for the guy and his family of course.
You wouldn't put on a gezelle suit and run through the plains of Africa.
Has any testing been done on bright black and yellow wetsuits? Dressing up like something they don't want to eat may help?
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thought that was the idea of
thought that was the idea of the camo wetties
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Cammo wetties? Never seen one
Cammo wetties? Never seen one
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BOOM TISH!
funny as!
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lol must work then. maybe
lol must work then.
maybe some help for divers on the bottom but bit harder to hide a silhouette of a surfer.
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F&@ken kill em all!
F&@ken kill em all!
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I'm looking forward to the examination being published
I think there are a lot of people looking forward to the result (which we hope are transparent)of the examination of the 2 sharks taken to Perth.
If as Woody states there where 2 great whites harassing people (surfers) over the previous two weeks why wasn't the beach closed or at least warning signs in place to advise people of the threat that is visible in the area (2 GWs harassing people)
When there is a storm on the coast the local town council/shire will close the beach and tell all and sundry that the responsible authority (shire/council) have declared conditions to dangerous to swim surf in.
However when 2 GWs are harassing people in the area this doesn't appear to cause any alarm and the placing of signage warning of the danger, or where there signs up, and why is the beach now closed for a couple of we3eks as a precaution just in case we haven't caught the right sharks.
Confused, you are not alone good people.
There's a saying that goes something along the lines of " those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it" some time back there was a GW known to be ensconced in a popular surfing beach north of Perth, now it was well known to the local surfing crew and it fact it was even give a nick name (Bruce or some such thing) a new young surfer did not know of this and entered the water for a surf, end result was his most tragic death as a result of an attack by a shark.
Did the local surfing crew tell the local authorities about this threat to life and limb like responsible citizens, did the local authority know and do nothing about it.
At some point in time those who see/know about these threats to life must act in a responsible manner and advise those who can do something about it, perhaps close the beach for a while until it can be determined that there is no apparent threat at the time of investigation into the reported sighting.
Or is there a culture in the surfing fraternity of suck it up princess and get on with things.
So many questions with so few answers.
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Maybe the locals were trying
Maybe the locals were trying to catch and kill 'Bruce' without bringing attention to the area from fisheries/greenies as they are now doing with other sharks in the area
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
carnarvonite
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Examination?
What other sort of examination can you do beside slitting its stomach open and having a look at its contents, the earlier you do it the better.
BUT when you can do it in controlled circumstances where only the select few can observe and report what they find makes you wonder about getting a true report
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Be very surprised if they were bronzies
Sounds like green affiliated ABC bullshit to me bronzies hunting in a surf break.. Finally smoked a couple of whites about time there was some payback
Meteorite
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Poor guy ,
Maybe the greenies can volunteer to wipe the young guys ass for the next 40 years. Either way two less whites in the ocean with the cray season about to begin and shitloads of divers hitting the water sounds good to me
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Well this escalated quickly
Im up for a cull
There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
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Just plain unlucky for this
Just plain unlucky for this guy and my thoughts for him and his family. Drum lines won't fix the problem either will a cull, it's a matter of wrong place wrong time. You'd have to set lines at every surf beach in the state for that policy to be effective. But don't get me wrong I hate the greenies as much as everyone else and especially when they interfere with said lines that are in place as law. There's no easy answer on this one boys, let's face it surfing alone or at a secluded beach is not a good idea down south. I reckon as I've said before a sustainable fishery on all types of sharks is a good way of controlling numbers, but it still won't cure just plain bad luck.
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you would think though
that it would reduce the odds considerably. When you think about it, we as humans are actually helping these larger sharks remain on top of the food chain by flogging out other parts of the food chain. Whithout any scientific study or figures, why not knock a few off to even the balance out.
Sorry for your loss surfer dude..Hope you find some peace of mind soon..
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er......sharks are spouse to
er......sharks are spouse to be the top of the food chain.
What other animals are spose to be on the top of the food chain in the ocean that sharks are killing off by being so dominant?
how can you proove these shark numbers are destroying the food chain links?
if anything its us humans that detroying the food chain...look at what the ban has done as well has decreased bag limits and increased size limits!
i am not having a dig at you or your comment more so curious where you get your infomation from mate.
thoughts are with the lad and hope the best recovery possible.
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what I am trying to say is
that by us taking out some of the food chain it makes the top of the food chain look for something else to eat. This time it happened to be a person. Yeh sorry, I explained it the wrong way, it was early.
FEEEISH ONNN!!!
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Looks like Uncle pinched his profile picture
off the net!!!! Come on Uncle (Fester) be honest!!
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hooty
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White sharks are supposedly
White sharks are supposedly rare / endangered and on the brink of becoming extinct, even though they are not exactly sure what their numbers are ?. But there just happened to be two swimming in the same area and at the same time as fisheries dropped the lines. Do some of you blokes still believe in Santa as well.
uncle
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what a piss weak attempt at a troll
Surely u can do better then that
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The way I see it might sound
The way I see it might sound simple. I am a dog lover and have 3. Wouldnt hurt them ever, BUT if one of them and any other dog bites a human causing injury it is GONE.
In my job I treat quite a few dog bites and I instantly call the Rangers and report this. It is something that is not on.
The same IMO about sharks. Im not in favour of culling but hunting them down sure. The problem we have is that identifying the culprit after the attack is not as easy as ID-ing the responsible dog, so a few innocent "bystanding" sharks might fall victim.
Bring on "007" with a licence to kill threatening sharks and be done with that.
What pisses me off most is no Greenies complain off the nets off South African beaches, in Queensland etc. Just poor isolated WA cops it. Now all greenies against sharks piss off anf go and try picking on other places and leave us Sandgropers in peace to decide OUR destiny.
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well said cransy
well said cransy
a hard days fishing still beats work
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couple of things come to mind
couple of things come to mind
I feel dam sorry for the young bloke who was attacked , this will no doubt radically change his future for the worse , make no mistake about that
just stop for a sec and look at your hands , imagine how much you depend on em , even with prosthetics, it wont be easy for him
while all reports from the area are saying the locals have been seeing GW cruising over the last two weeks or so , he apparently thought they where bronzies, ??
how good would he have been able to see them from the board ? during the attack etc, ? with shock setting in ? seems a bit odd to me that with several reports of GW its bronzies that he thinks attacked him ?
did anyone recently listen to the abc reporting on the fisheries tagging GW down south ?? along the Albany coast south I think it was , they tagged 6 over several days , all feeding on a dead whale in the area, so there doesn't seem to be any shortage of the bastard things imho
as saltatrix pointed out why are the greenys so concerned with GW , plenty of sharks are killed across australia every day one way or another ,why not chase that dream ??
there arguments don't make much sense these greeny protesters in time wont even want you to eat friggin eggs , pick tomatoes etc if they keep getting their stupid ideas in mainstream social media where they gain popularity ,things like catch and release will definitly be a target for them
if the sharks a menace kill it , theres been enough killing/maiming to warrant a reduction if they can do it asap after an attack ,
the other best alternative is protective netting of the swimming beaches , drum lines are too random
id still like to see a shark tagging program in tandem with a reduction in their numbers
local surfers,fishos, etc , may need to help more with alerting the general public that use out of the way places , as suggested above
its only early oct, lets hope this isn't the start of another horror run on our coast
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Always a sensible
Always a sensible contribution Hezzy, even more so if I agree!!!!
uncle
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yep
thumbs up
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Good common sense Hezzy
Good common sense Hezzy
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Iceman
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Dog attacks
How is it that when a dog attacks someone or another dog it is put down. It is not the dogs fault but the owners. Shark attacks/kills someone and there is outcry from the greens etc if it is killed. I wonder how many greenies actually swim in the ocean.
Double standards I think.
Time for a cull to reduce shark numbers. WEhen commercial fishos were alolow to take sharks we did not have as many attacks.
Also drum lines have been operating in QLD for many years but no complaints about that.
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D_d_001
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this seems to be a very
this seems to be a very common misconception.
Just to clarify
in reality the general "greeney" is not against the hunting and destroying of an individual known killer shark ...or croc or dog etc.
look at the difference in "outcry" (when a cull was introduced last year) and when suspected killers (the two GW's yesterday) were dispatched.
Nobody is against this.
A cull is far different from killing an individual known killer.
I know many MANY who are against a cull. I actually know nobody who is against killing an individual killer shark.
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Yep agree totally Iceman,the
Yep agree totally Iceman,the young bloke who got "bitten",ie had his arm and hand ripped off was meant to be playing in the local GF down here on the weekend.Might head on down there and take a bit of a poll on who thinks the mongrel things should be left alone.I am over it the politically correct are f@#$ing it up for those that actually get out and do it ,rather than sitting in front of a tv or pc and pretending.Next one that comes up to my boat wont be getting itself on a video thats for sure.
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spinksy
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Stay out of the water
Know an abalone diver who is calling divers and surfers to stay out of the water for a month. he said there is a lot of big aggressive whites around at the moment, a heap more than last year and his sources are very very reliable
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had to be said haha
had to be said haha
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Answer the question Uncle Fester
DID YOU OR SOMEONE ON YOUR BOAT TAKE YOUR PROFILE PIC OR DID YOU PINCH IT??
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what is your point, give it
what is your point, give it up already contributor of nothhing
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what a flog
photo is one of many taken by Big John ay exxy, dohhh where did yours come from
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out wide
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I know one thing for sure
When out from Port Kennedy cray fishing this season I will have a a nice little surprise for Mr White if he decides to pay me a visit my.
Uglyprik
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Why thats a Timorise mate of mine
With some photo shopping to make him a bit uglier of course. And with his permission.
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Shark Protection: IT’S ALL
Shark Protection: IT’S ALL ABOUT OIL!
http://sharkmanofcortez.com/shark-protection-its-all-about-oil/
Founded by the children of Joseph N. Pew, CEO of the Sun Oil Company, (Sunoco), the Pew Charitable Trusts have donated millions to environmental groups. Sunoco is considered an environmental leader in the oil and gas industry.
The Shark Trust is just one of 85 NGOs who receive funding from Pew, as part of the Shark Alliance, which Pew formed. This benefactor expects environmental groups within the Shark Alliance to toe their party line, or lose funding.
The important thing to remember here is that Pew are the biggest hitter in shark conservation, (Babe Ruth!) and they’re an American charitable foundation created from an American oil corporation.
The obvious question is: why is an oil company channeling dollars to save sharks?The answer: it was a strategy to improve the oil company’s image. Greenwashing!
Oil corporations reinvented themselves as energy corporations keen to push their environmental credentials. BP, British Petroleum,(remember the Deepwater Horizon debacle and subsequent coastal devastation?) They changed their company logo to the eco-friendly yellow and green sunburst. (How cute!)
I guess, choose your petrol station crefully, if you want to continue fishing
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I did wonder how long it was
I did wonder how long it was going to take b4 you spammed this thread too!
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Well if that info that
Well if that info that Saltatrix links is accurate then it needs to be posted periodically so people are aware of the big picture . Do you dispute it as legit ?
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Hey and to answer your
Hey and to answer your questions Chris. no I don't dispute the link I have no idea as to it's validity. Just seem to see the link in 3 out of 4 of saltrix's posts. Do you stand behind it as wholly accurate?
Iceman said that if a shark attacks/kills someone then there is an outcry from the greens if the shark is killed. He compared it to a vicious dog being put down. I havn't seen the "outcry" over the 2GW being dispatched.. sure there was on outcry when a cull was introduced but I just havn't seen the beach protests etc etc when the 2GW's were killed.
the FB page in your post ....um sure there are some idiots in the minority of the "anti cull" population but they are the minority in that population
this was the point I was trying to make.
Ie. that the vast majority ....at least of the people I know, who may be against the cull have no probs killing a known killer shark.
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Oil company founded and funds
Oil company founded and funds a environmental group . Umm yep , I’d be inclined to think there’s a smidge of collusion going on .
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carnarvonite
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Media Hype
The only hype still hanging about from all this is on commercial TV stations, trying to drag it on as long as possible and get more advertising in the meantime.
Give it a week or two the 60 minutes and the one that channel 7 has will stick some bullshit on to keep the ball rolling.
I have no problem with them killing sharks, my beef is that they waste them after they are killed, worse than the Jap and Tiawanese longliners finning sharks IMO.
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Yep straight to the dump
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Products
We tried tigers, dusky whalers, bronzie, thickskins, pig eye whalers, lemons and tawny nurse livers for oils and none were any good, seems the green eyed shark is about the only one with enough in it to make it worthwhile. That only leaves the fins and jaws, with sale of them prohibited.
For sharks that size the flesh is as tough as nails though we had a market for it in Asia and I have no idea what they did with it to soften it up or get rid of the high mercury content from the tigers.
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[Iceman said that if a shark
[quote Iceman said that if a shark attacks/kills someone then there is an outcry from the greens if the shark is killed. He compared it to a vicious dog being put down. I havn't seen the "outcry" over the 2GW being dispatched.. sure there was on outcry when a cull was introduced but I just havn't seen the beach protests etc etc when the 2GW's were killed. um sure there are some idiots in the minority of the "anti cull" population but they are the minority in that population
this was the point I was trying to make.
Ie. that the vast majority ....at least of the people I know, who may be against the cull have no probs killing a known killer shark.]
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well the leader of the opposition in wa mark McGowan and his green leader counter part where in the media over the last few days ,reported as being against the killing of the 2 GW down at whylie bay after this recent attack , so there two reasonably prominent ''idiots if you like ,
you gotta wonder do such people as mark McGowan really believe killing 2 GW is such a bad thing ?? does it really offend &go against the core values they believe in ??or is it just bs political point scoring at any cost ??
seriously this guy wants to be put in charge of the state gov , if enough people vote for him , how about they stop trying to score points by tacking left and right following fringe social media polls based on popularity and actually make policy decisions and public comment on what is going to be good for all of the publics best interest ?
people want our leaders to lead , personally im not interested in how many fffn likes he gets by following social media policy
you can be sure saltatrix has checked his facts in those links , anyone who looks at the bigger political picture on greenwashing of large multinationals can see its acase of follow the money , research pew and see why there here in Australia pushing marine parks etc
it needs to kept in the public eye
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uncle
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nailed it right there
we must be an easy target
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Dont want to join in on this
Dont want to join in on this debate
but i spoke to one of the guys i work with today and his son is this poor fellas best m8
he said that he said nothing about it being bronzies but you know the media making things up
and the only person who seen it all was his girlfriend and nobody from the family have spoken top the media yet
the part where he lost a hand he has a stump below his elbow and the other side is above the elbow
and a massive bite to the leg as well
I feel for this guy and his girlfriend and family couldnt imagine how they feel and the challenges ahead
i didnt know him but man i would hate this to happen to somebody i know or even to me my deepest sympathy goes out to the family
meglodon
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Well put dan1
I think we shall all have to wait a while to see what actual transparent facts emerge from this horrific event then and only then can sound decisions be made about mitigating the dangers.
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The red neck thread is back
The red neck thread is back in full swing!
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numbers are not up
you cannot take fishermen accounts as credible source im sorry. the higher sighting rates are mainly due to the ten fold extra numbers of people that are in the water since the 90s. there are way more coastal suburbs and marinas and way more people with money that own boats. there is no real way of knowing what shark numbers are doing but i can tell you that being apex predators they breed very slowly. between the 90s and now i would doubt there are many more than before. only way to find out is to tag them.
i feel for the victims of such attacks, they are horrific but money could be much better spent than to put revenge lines to kill things we know so little about.
i love nature, that does not make me a greenie or a hippy, i dont spit on war veterans, my family comes from them.
I just think scare tactics on something which gets huge media attention for the very small numbers and gets overinflated. you want to see more horrific injuries then visit the rehab ward at shenton hospital. not just traffic accidents, also people in their 30s and 40s having suffered strokes from being obese. many many more people than are affected by sharks. yet no one hears of these people. maybe we should put drum lines outside mcdonalds and HJs, they are killing far more people.
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Well thats your opinion
Well thats your opinion Fausto,but i am more inclined to believe the abalone divers down that way who dive all the time and there is a fixed amount of them due to the availability of a licence. They are saying that there is way more Whites around than ever before.
Go down to Cowaramup and tell the crew there that its all just media scare tactics.
Not sure but i thought after the autopsy on the 2 GW's killed it was reported that one had an electronic tag in it anybody here that?
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on the money
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hezzy
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[ fausto you cannot take
[ fausto.... you cannot take fishermen accounts as credible source im sorry. the higher sighting rates are mainly due to the ten fold extra numbers of people that are in the water since the 90s. there are way more coastal suburbs and marinas and way more people with money that own boats. there is no real way of knowing what shark numbers are doing but i can tell you that being apex predators they breed very slowly. between the 90s and now i would doubt there are many more than before. .]
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fausto , I also would disagree with your comment above mate , id ask you to read the link below &reflect on what we know about them for a min
heres a hypothetical for you on the numbers game with them
in 1999 as an apex predator they where protected , now if there numbers where as low as 1000 only in Australia waters, from babys to mature adults, lets say only 10% of that 1000 GW where of breeding age at 15 plus years , then lets assume those 10%of animals , that's 100 , only half where female ,
so in 1999 there where 50 mature 15 year old + female GW able to breed each season , now they can have up to 12 pups every 2-3 years, so lets assume lowest numbers of 50 female Gw producing just 6 live babys every 3 years ok ,
so 50 mums x 6 babys x 15 years [5 breeding cycles ] = 1500 new GW recruited into the system from that first lot of 1999 size breeding females alone , , now if you then consider how many females reach breeding age each new year since 1999 and add them in the same way ,some of the original babys born are now old enough to breed as well even given all info is hypothetical it isn't hard to believe there numbers are on the rise is it ??
given the increase in whale numbers of the coast &seals there is food aplenty to support them here imo
hezzy
http://www.washarkattacks.net/shark-numbers.php
Shark attacks and whale migration
in Western Australia
Shark numbers
The main predators/scavengers of whales in the Indian and Southern oceans are killer whales and great white sharks.
Great whites have had 15 years of recovery as a protected species in WA waters (since 1999). Whenever possible they feast on weak, injured and dead whales, with a taste for vulnerable humpback calves that are born during the northern migration from Antarctica and escorted by their mothers to and from the Kimberley where they are nurtured during winter and spring.
During their journeys south to the Antarctic from WA's northern waters, usually beginning around August, humpbacks swim closer to the shore and hug the bays because it better protects their young.
This is evident through the increasing number of Western Australia pod strandings that mostly occur during the southern leg of the migratory season, with reports since 2009 of more humpbacks coming ashore in poor condition along the WA coastline and fears their population is exceeding the available food.
More sharks are drawn close to WA shores where the whale prey has become plentiful, and it has been decades since so many were swimming off the beaches of Western Australia.
WA's humpback population around 1900 was estimated at a little over 30,000. In 1935 it was less than 17,000 and by 1949 it was below 10,000.
Records indicate there were five fatal shark attacks in WA from 1896 to 1925. Modern hunting techniques were wiping out humpback populations in following years and there were just three fatal shark attacks from 1925 to 1995.
By the 1960s there were less than 600 adult humpbacks off the WA coast. Since their slaughter was banned in 1963, numbers have rebounded by about 10% per year with some studies suggesting population growth close to 12%. Since 1995 there have been 13 fatal attacks with one blamed on tiger sharks, two unknown species and the rest great whites.
The whales disappeared and the sharks disappeared. The whales returned, the sharks returned, and this time they've found a lot more humans swimming nearby.
Shark biology
Fairly uncommon compared to other shark species even before human exploitation, global numbers of great whites have crashed by 60% to 95% in different oceans around the world since the 1800s. Albeit a dubiously low figure, a 2010 survey suggested there were just 3,500 left on the planet.
Great whites are not a strictly coastal species and are know to swim between South Africa and Australia through cold lower latitudes, their habitat including several thousand kilometres north along the WA coast. This is the humpback whales' migratory path.
great white shark migration
The female great white is believed to reach sexual maturity at between 12 and 17 years, possibly older. It is unlikely that this species, which was protected since 1999 because of its threatened status, has somehow exploded in number within a single generation.
No matter how many great white sharks are in the Indian Ocean, it is logical that they will be lured toward their favourite food so they can scavenge or kill a dying adult humpback, a vulnerable, sick or aborted calf, or a carcass that permeates oil for kilometres around.
The video below of 27 great white sharks eating a 10 metre whale carcass provides a further clue why this species would be attracted to the tens of thousands of humpbacks swimming up and down WA's coast each year, the 13,000 kilometre journey taking its toll on the southern leg with newborn needing protection and hundreds dying.
Click the Play arrow above
This evidence suggests there may be a reproductive stimulus among great white sharks feasting on a whale carcass, the huge meal causing a hormone release due to signals there is abundant food and the environment is conducive to breeding.
Estimates of great white longevity vary from 23 to well over 50 years and these sharks can survive for about two weeks from a single large meal (aka a whale).
Great white sharks usually give birth to between five and 10 pups, each about 1.5 metres long, and the females are assumed to reproduce roughly every three years. There is no maternal care from birth and pup survival is believed to be low.
Not all newborn will survive because of disease and natural predation, although man's activities may have reduced the toll from other predators (i.e. reduced numbers of other shark species and slowly recovering killer whales).
Research such as the extract below from the book Global Perspectives on the Biology and Life History of the White Shark shows that in large sharks, the greatest mass of their diet is whale meat:
diet of great white sharks
Similar clues can be found in Using Stable Isotope Analysis to Understand the Migration and Trophic Ecology of Northeastern Pacific White Sharks:
whale diet of white sharks
The research suggests that as great whites become larger they increasingly target marine mammal prey and, with most of their diet comprising whale, it is probable their habitat is influenced by the location and availability of these animals.
New insights into white shark movements in Australia, published by the CSIRO, notes that great whites move north along the Australian east coast in autumn/winter as far as central Queensland and then return south during spring, with research suggesting that in WA waters they migrate north during winter and return south in early summer. These migratory timetables have been tied to fish spawning seasons on the east coast but they also coincide with the migration of whales which constitute the largest food mass of large great white sharks.
It is likely that great white numbers in Australian waters have increased since protected species status was enforced in 1999, bearing in mind these sharks traverse the Southern and Indian oceans, but this recovery is from an historically low base.
It is probable that oceanic shark numbers are less important than the great white's preferred feeding habitat, which has become more attractive along the WA coastline since whale numbers exploded and may help explain both the increase in shark numbers and the more likely attack months.
humback whale migration in wa
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Fausto79
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i appreciate your comments
hi hezzy and willo,
i appreciate both your comments and both may be very credible but the fact of the matter is without any background knowledge it cannot be proven. yea if the abalone divers are seeing more sharks i am not calling them liars but it is possible the reason they see more is that their food sources are depleted and they are looking at other ways to source this food. seal colonies are getting smaller, penguin colonies are getting smaller, fish stocks are getting smaller all down the food chain bar a few exceptions.
i dont disagree with either of you two all i am saying is that there seems to be a lynch mob mentality on this issue and the fact of the matter is that there are no facts. all is anectodal evidence but nothing is proven. I am just saying a strong 'scientific' case needs to be presented to prove all these opinions. even what i am saying above regarding food stocks and behavioural changes need to be looked at and proven, it may be complete BS but it also could be one of the main reasons.
you look at other instances in history where animals were seen as dangerous and pests to livestock etc. in europe they supposedly had licenses for bear hunting in order to keep numbers down (much like commercial licenses here) and bears in europe have been extinct for over 100 years. wolves almost met the same fate.
the politicians behind the scientific approach are just labelled greenies etc. maybe some are but it is important not to label the scientist behind the scenes in the same manner. they are not doing this work to gain popularity they just do it for the love of nature and science. these guys should be left to do their work without being used for other agendas and without having funding sources plundered.
so as i was saying, i am not disagreeing with you guys i just believe it should be looked at in more detail so a properly informed decision can be made. just like any court case. innocent until proven guilty.
there is one thing i disagree with hezzy and that is your reproductive calculations. there is almost no recorded evidence of mating and birth of great whites. mating has been seen only a handful of times, less than ten pregnant females have ever been disected and a live birth has never been witnessed by anyone with the right credentials. their breeding habits are still almost completely unknown.
I also have anectodal evidence from a crayfisherman (my cousin) who recons he always used to see sharks since he started in the 80s until he passed away last year. obviously he told me before that. but according to him you used to see sharks all the time and soon as anything is killed and letting of oils and blood or bait is present you attract everything. so that is contrary to what a lot of people in that type of trade say. which proves my point that anectodal evidence is not to be taken as fact.
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