and associated bag limits etc - but what the hell - 20kg possession limit to 10kg - can't say I agree with that, anyway will have to wait and see I guess.
I agree but it's just a draft proposal. I like eating a lot of fish but do spend most of the year chasing billies and fishing comps that are predominantly tag and release. Do a few freezer trips a year and am happy with limits as they sit.
So that we can survive. That is allowed. So seafood is seen as such a fugin delicacy at the prices they charge. That is enough to send us all out fishing. FFS we have a right to live on what we want without destroying everything. What's wrong with a yearly fishing episode between mates that "maybe" will fullfill aready existing quotas and feed a few families for some time?
It says down to 10 kg with an additional 10kg of pelagics.This will be interesting. We only managed 14 kg each last year because of the weather and was pretty happy with that. A lot more trolling to be doe then ;) if this comes about.
in all honesty it doesnt seem too bad apart from the reduction in the limit we are allowed to bring home from our trip away. still can get 20kg of fish,10kg demersal and 10kg of demersal .i know i will get slammed for this but it has to happen if you want to be able to take your grandchildren fishing and get these species they want to protect. unfortunatly due to our older generations that went up north and came home with freezers full of fish like red emperor and mackies their numbers had dwindled. some people say they havnt caught a red emp over the 10 kg mark, can you imagine how many of this size would be around if these regs were in 20 years ago.my answer would a hell of a lot as they wouldnt be so hard to catch as there would be copius amounts of these fish out there.
there i said my piece now have a go back. I DARE YOU
I haven't read it so I'll start with that comment but if a change to restrictions from 20kg to 10kg of possessed fish is to do with Metro waters then here is my immediate thoughts. There's a lot of big fish in metro waters - Dhues, snapper, then the deep water stuff. One good sized bass grouper along with a good sized harpuka would put you over 10kgs of fillets straight away. This then promotes people giving fish away if they are worried about being caught. This in turn stops the non-fishos from having to buy fish hurting the local fish monger. And even further may go on to hurt the local resteraunts because people are eating quality fish for free (or at an agreed fee between the giver and taker). 10kgs is a little crazy but that's just my opion.
I can go out and buy 100kg of dhuie fillet if I got the cash from a fish market, yet can;t catch and keep in my freezwer more than 10kg WTF
We eat fish three times a week, as I have a colestrol issue and so each night it would be four serves of 300grm each and more if we have a house guest.
I fish maybe once a month, and now will have to take my baglimit to ensure I can eat my catch !
What happens if I come home with a pair of snapper, and pair of tuna? or a big groper? do you throw away the excess fillets over ten kg in your fireezer???
per person so even if your family (kids and wife) dont have a license you can still keep there limit in the freezer! so 4 x 10 kg = 40kg of fillets plus then you could also have 40 kg of pelagic fillets!
It's opinions and attitudes like that, that the abalone brigade were using to take excess abs : dad goes abbing, whilst mum and 400 "licensed" kids sit on the beach.
it is per person who lives at the house!! i have just rang fisheries and double checked! this has nothing to do with abolone or the clowns that rape the abolone
You DO NOT have to have a licence to possess amateur caught fish, only to have a baglimit when at sea and landing. This goes whether you are travelling or at home.
for example-you "could" take the family away (4?), only you have an RFBL and fish for a week and transport 40 (or 80??)kg home.
And while we are at it-WTF with all the rhetoric about "freezer filling" on FW, FisheriesWA and other sites?
Some people like to catch and release, I like to catch some fish, freeze it and take it home, and dont accept being "labelled" or villified for it.
I have a larger than average family and feed them fish.
If anyone doesnt like that then that sucks but dont bother telling me about it.
ok i dont know if i read this wrong, but its my understanding that its 10kg of dermshals fillets each. now 10kg of fillets? thats like a 20kg dhuie and a 9kg baldy right there. we find we get about 33% weight in fillets of a demershal and 60-70% of a pelajic. if this rule is only for the west coast zone it wont have much effect what so ever. who hear can say they have gotten 10kg of demersal fillets often? now minus a blue grouper or your deeper speices. its not that easy to do! plus isnt it now 3 pelgajics? id happly take that. it seems more like we are gaing one extra fish not loosing fish we can catch. somethine to think about.
So just read the paper this morning 1 Dhufish WTF!!! So how do we offficially comment?If this comes through might as well sell the boat as it's a waste of time going out. Who th eF%$%^%head who comes up with this shit?
Have you read the paper?? It says 1 dhufish per bag limit everywhere not two per boat that's the way I read it. I know what the current bag limits are.That's what I'm going on about.
Proposal 5 – Bag limits and size limits for finfish. There are no proposals to change minimum size limits. A review of size limits that will involve consultation with the recreational and commercial sectors will be undertaken as a separate exercise. Fisheries Management Paper No.252 3 Demersal Finfish & Sharks/Rays High vulnerability due to biological characteristics (e.g. long-lived, late maturing, large maximum size, sex change, limited distribution or small stock size, late maturing reproduction, etc) . Individual bag limits All species have an individual bag limit of 2 fish per fisher (or licensed fisher, when taken from a boat) unless otherwise specified – note some species have a bag limit of 1 or 5. South Coast, Gascoyne, North Coast Bioregions • Mixed species daily bag limit – 5 per angler West Coast Bioregion (as per existing arrangements) • Mixed species daily bag limit – 2 per angler • Boat limit of 2 Western Australian dhufish (6 on a charter boat) • Closed season 15 October to 15 December for demersal finfish (excludes sharks and rays)
Yeah you're right Sarcasmo I got sucked in by media sensationalism (big word ;) They headline it with proposed bag limits so most people would get harked up. Sorry for being 'WRONG' Scotto.
2.1 Opportunity for public comment - making a submission The release of this discussion paper for public comment provides an opportunity for you to express an opinion on how recreational fishing should be managed. It is equally important that you respond whether you agree or disagree with the various proposals. A review panel comprising of representatives from the Department of Fisheries and Recfishwest will consider the submissions received to ensure all issues are taken into consideration. Recfishwest, as the peak body representing recreational fishers, will be providing independent advice to the Minister for Fisheries, which takes into account the level of support and community views expressed on each of the proposals. The Minister will consider this advice, along with advice from the Department of Fisheries, before making decisions on the future management of recreational fishing. When making your submission and to ensure your comments are as effective as possible, please: • Clearly and briefly describe each separate subject you wish to address. • Refer to the different proposals in the discussion paper. • Tell us whether you agree/disagree with any or all of the proposals. • Suggest alternative ways to resolve the issues raised in this paper or identified by you. Where to send your submission The closing date for submissions is 30 April 2012. Please send your submission along with your full name and address to: Recfishwest PO Box 34 NORTH BEACH Western Australia 6920 Email:
A proposed mixed total bag of 8 estuarine/nearshore fish is quite a significant change. This section includes, tailor, skippy, tarwhine, bream, KGs, flathead, flounder. Personally it doesn't bother me because i hardly keep fish, but I can see some people having a serious winge about it. Also they appear to have put 'wrasse and parrot fish' in this section. I'm not sure if this is a mistake or not, but hell if i had to chose between 8 wrasse and 8 KGs i know what I would take ...
its always been 8 of these species . but you can get your 2 demersal and 2 palegic and your 30 herring or sand whiting. so yeah there is still a lot of fish that can be taken on your boat and if you have 2 on, double it. but in all reality who is going to take that much. if i fish fo kgs i will then go after some nice fat sand whiting to top up. still get a good feed for a few people
I know this thread is a month old now, but just re reading and though i'd mention that you are incorrect. The current mixed bag limit in the west coast bio region for Medium Risk Species is 12 per angler/license.
Hmmmmm bit rough when you head north and all you can bring home for the family is 1 decent mack and 3 spango's all i can see this doing is killing the tackle industry to be honest .
3.1.1 Recreational Prior to 1989, a limited set of management measures were in place for recreational fishing in WA. With an increase in fishing participation, increased leisure time, greater ownership of boats and 4WD vehicles, it was time to reassess the management of recreational fishing to ensure that the quality of the State’s fisheries were maintained and fish stocks were sustainable. It was for these reasons that the first comprehensive management framework for recreational fishing was developed during a two-year review between 1989 and 1991 (The future for recreational fishing, issues for community discussion, Recreational Fishing Advisory Committee, March 1990). The result of the review was a framework for the management of recreational fishing including: • A state-wide set of daily bag and size limits for all fish species be developed. • The establishment of a Recreational Fishing Account into which revenue from recreational licences was placed. With more pressure on our fish resources in the ensuing years, a range of different fisheries issues arose in different parts of WA. This initiated the need for the development and implementation of modified management arrangements for specific fishing areas and species. In turn, this led to fisheries management becoming increasingly reactive between 1992 and 1995, with resources focused on dealing with different management issues as they occurred. In 2006, a series of bioregional recreational fishing management reviews were undertaken. These were aimed at managing increases in recreational fishing pressure caused by a growth in angler participation and increases in efficiency through the use of technology such as Global Positioning Systems, colour sounders and gear improvements. The bioregional reviews delivered the following three important outcomes: • A new three-tiered bag limit structure, which was applied across the State. • A general state-wide fish possession limit. • A minimum fillet length for fish that have been processed at sea. In 2009, research assessments on the status of key demersal finfish species (dhufish, pink snapper and baldchin groper) on the west coast indicated the level of fishing was not sustainable. This research indicated that catches of demersal species in the West Coast Bioregion needed to be reduced by at least 50 per cent in order to allow stocks to rebuild. To deliver this catch reduction, the Government approved a range of new measures that included establishing a management framework for demersal species and introducing a state-wide recreational boat fishing licence. This involved separating out demersal species from pelagic ones in the ‘high risk’ category. The new Recreational Fishing from Boat Licence (RFBL) was primarily designed to provide a state-wide database of recreational boat fishers to assist in surveys to more precisely determine recreational catch and effort.
3.2.3 Monitoring the recreational catch A crucial element in effective recreational fisheries management is the availability of quality data for all recreational fisheries, including time-series data on catch levels (retained and discarded) and fishing activity and biological data to indicate the status of targeted fish populations. In recent years, considerable resources have been devoted to the West Coast Bioregion and the inner gulfs of Shark Bay to determine the status of demersal scalefish stocks. While it is important to continue to monitor the recovery of these stocks, a better understanding of the status of other fish stocks is also required. The Recreational Fishing from Boat Licence (RFBL) that was introduced in 2010 has provided a database of boat fishers across WA. The database, in conjunction with logbooks completed by a survey sample group of 3,500 RFBL holders, will assist in determining who is fishing, where they are fishing and what they are catching. The RFBL database was used to develop the first state-wide recreational boat fishing survey, undertaken in 2011. The 2011 survey involved around 3,500 log book holders, selected from the RFBL database, and boat ramp surveys were undertaken to verify the logbook data. Results of the survey, including estimates of total state-wide recreational catch and effort levels, will be released in 2012. In future, surveys will be repeated every two years to provide ongoing estimates of catch and effort levels by boat-based fishers. Catch surveys provide information essential to the sustainable management of recreational fisheries. They also provide a means of comparing recreational catches with the catch recorded in commercial fisheries, and are important in the resolution of resource-sharing conflicts.
They acknowledge all the recent changes they have made, state that the data from the RFBL survey wont even be released until later this year and we are talking about :
'High vulnerability due to biological characteristics (e.g. long-lived, late maturing, large maximum size, sex change, limited distribution or small stock size, late maturing reproduction, etc) .'
How could they possibly know that the changes they have already made will not be enough?
They need to give the changes they already made just a few years ago, time to actually determine whether they made a difference.
They also need to take another looooong hard look at their commercial data, and implement some more changes there ( that is, if they are actually dinkum about fish preservation.....).
All they need to look at is how much banning commercial fishing between mandurah and lancelin has made a difference to metro stocks. I have never seen so many dhus and baldys, both sized and juveniles, whilst diving and fishing over the last few years, and it is noticeably more every year.
10kg PER PERSON of demersals and a further 10kg of pelagic PER PERSON, guys this is fillets not fish whole, one good mac per person is heaps of fish and really how many 4-6kg trout/reds/bluebone whatever will you need to catch to get your limit, i suggest it's a few, Mixed bag of 5 Demersals per person for up north. So much for all you people saying i only take what i need, seems you all need too much if this is such an injustice. I have never come back with a bag limit of any fish in my life but i still am able to eat fish. might only bring 1 or 2 nice fish home a month and if it gets too hard then a mackeral comes home.
Be thankful fish are still there and you'll be thanking these people when you start to catch bigger fish, would you rather they add 5-8cm to each demersal size limit and maybe catch none over this or still be able to take some fish home with you.
Yeah right-o Brucesta I will have a bite because there is nothing like an inflammatory introduction to get your point across is there? Just a little hunch but I think some people prefer a little flexibility in their bag limits not that they may take the whole kit & caboodle, not having it halved. Some valid points raised by these 'precious flowers' ie. The past bag cuts really haven't been given time to see the effect, impact not only on tackle industry but marine also not forgetting the tourist sector. Ps. How is the view up there from the pulpit??
View is fine Lamby, you gonna go and sell your boat and all your tackle now are you because someone said you can't take 20kgs of reds, trout from northern waters? people will still travel to fish, people will still keep fishing, THIS IS A PROPOSAL, stop whinging and get your submissions in then. Sounds like it's the end of the world for some of you, agreed seems a little knee jerk and no figures to back it up it. As posted down below doesn't seem to harm people going to the abrohlos now does it? It's not being halved you can still take 20kg of fish fillets if you wish and it's only gonna drop from 7 to 5 per person no more than 2 of each species as a mixed bag daily limit.
If anything people will switch to sportfishing and tag and release styles chasing billfish and the like so i think your way off the mark thinking people are going to stop buying tackle because the bag limit has been altered if anything people are going to buy more and diversify their techniques. why not come back with a nice haul of squid or crabs to complement the fish? think outside the box kiddo's
No doubt it is for you, some like that but not my cup of tea
Correct me if I am wrong on my original post but I was speaking of flexibility not taking the whole 20, traveling north for my quota has never been my intention as I do well at home but I do try to encompass other view points when I can. Just because you or I don't who are we to lecture others?
By the way I appreciate the use of caps lock to place emphasis on your points, I and others here are clearly a couple of stubbies short or naive to think these PROPOSALS never eventuate into policy. Let me take the time to thank you for your intellectual prowess!
God forbid anyone has a different view point to you, united we stand tall divided we fall
thats prety much the same as i said earlier in this thread .yes we have gone away and came back with close to our limit but we also shared amongst family and friends that dont have the opertunity to get out and fish. in future they will just get less fish. fishing isnt just about getting a big feed of fish. you got to enjoy it as well. if your only in it for the fish , get rid of the boat and go buy it and it would probably work out cheaper
this will also have an efffect on the travel industry to places like Exmouth.
Most people go once a year to such places, and all your allowed to bring home per person is 2 reds?
dont see a big issue in metro waters (Except what happens if you do catch big deep water stuff like Ryan) and one fish holds more than 10kg's of fillets?
Abroholos has been running 10kg's of fillets for some time now, people have gotten used to that, but driving 1400 km's north and spending large sums of money is a different story. (We are heading to exmouth for 12 days for the FW comp, 8 blokes costs are over 15k so far!)
others may be able to answer this, but on the above topic, im under the impression tropical fish species have a much faster growth rate than the species down the south west?
I have to agree with Brucesta 10kg of demersal fillets is still a fair whack and add 10kg of pelagic fillets makes it a fair haul for me personally. I only keep what I want to eat normally anyway so it won't affect me all that much at all.
I know the changes upset a few but the way I see it too I grew up in Melbourne and we struggled to even get a size fish more or less than get the amount in fillets we get the chance to catch here so we do get it pretty good here and hey I'd rather see these changes than what the greenies want to do by closing down most of our coast line.
I agree with Brucesta and madfisher. Also have to understand that there is a heap of ideologically green driven pressure to make huge areas of WA into fishing free marine parks so fisheries need to be able to clearly demonstrate the positive effects of fisheries management and a sustainable fishery
You are very close to the danger in this review tony, the proposed changes are being based on "socialy acceptable" input Not sientific based.So those that shout the loudest (and have the money a la PEW group) can sway the social consience and that will interm bring about changes which are based on nothing else but what i think. not what the science is telling us. didn't we all pay for a RFBL so that the money will be available to conduct scientific studies to find out exactly what is going on with dimersal fish in the west coast reagion.and what do the tree huggers put towards these studies sweet nothing.
To all FW members I ask you to go to your local fishing tackle store get a submission form fill it in and as a last comment ask fisheries how come the change from science based to social oppinion based means of making fishing regulations and what about waiting untill the results of the 3 month closure have been evaluated along with changes the hot water wave have made to local fish stocks.
Guys it's time to put up (a submission) or we will have to cop it sweet
excatly mate, do you keep 10kg of fillet and have to toss the rest into the bin or what????
Legally I can catch a keep a 300kg marlin, but I wont be able to bring home the fillets!!!! from Exy ( it should fillet down to at least 100kg !!! 5 times the new possesion limit!)
no-as I believe you still have the option of your daily bag limit instead of a kg possession limit. Though it'd be hard to freeze a 46kg fish whole, you can still land it under the daily bag limit rule.
While we were in exmouth last year and stuck to the bag limits.
There was a commercial vessel unloading his catch in the marina.
I watched what they were unloading while we entered the marina.
It was their daily catch of Red Emperor.
It went on and on, before we were there and still after we left ,big buckets full of red emeror coming out of the hold going on for more than 1/2 an hour while we were there putting the boat on the trailer.
Commercial fishing does deplete the stock, NOt the current bag limits and rec fishermen/women.
The resurgence of the fish in the Metro area is due to one big change and that is the removal of the longline license of the Cray boats.
Our current bag limit also made some difference.
**((We as a fishermens group will get done over untill we become an influential lobby group with access to the minister that goes about putting our views and wishes in a proffesional way.
Untill then we will be seen as a fringe group without a voice and powerbase.))**
Mixed feelings on this myself, since we have been policed or regulated in WA , rec fishers have pretty well
taken things on the chin, for the betterment of everyone, at our credit.
The days of pro,s taking deck lots of dhus in the metro whilst we returned excess, are over , and fisheries
and the general community , does at least acknowledge we excist now as well as seeing value in rec angling hopefully as a social need as well as its dollar value. I think its manly dhu ( pun intended) to the efforts of Frank P and others at rec fish west, Ian staggles from Western ang, and some at fisheries themselves,as well as the rest of us thinking anglers .
however I am starting to get that sinking feeling that its turning more political than it ever was, and with things like rec boat lic
( not skippers tick) and the like , its starting to seem run by bean counters not hands on blokes, and this ' lock it all up at any cost '
green political stuff , is worrying to me .You know 15 years ago or so I even voted green a couple of times, but never never again.
The new regs need your coment, I have mine written out in draft form now. If you agree or disagree say so before its too late.
for sale 5m trail craft, fishing is becoming a joke, fishing is for relaxing and having a good laugh with mates and getting a feed etc. these new rules suck balls, why drive 15 hours to exmouth or gnarolo for 10 kgs of fish and one maccy ( decent maccy u would get 10 kg of fillets i would think ), just end up being a waste of money on fuel car wear etc, the days of fishing is over i think
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Is the landing of big demersals. As others have said it might be fine as a whole fish but the moment you slice a fillet off you could be exceeding your possession limit. That part needs to be articulated extremely well to avoid wastage of the resource (I'll just slice 10kgs off and bin the rest).
10kgs is a lot of fillets and 50 meals worth is a lot if you live on your own. Add to that some wahoo burgers and tuna / mackie steaks and you could feed yourself for a year based at a fish meal every 3.6 days (or twice a week).
I think the possession limit changes once you get to your place of residence as whilst your wife and kids might not have a fishing from boat license or accompanying you with your fish on the road there is nothing stopping them from fishing from shore and subsequently adding additional possession limits to your home freezer.
I believe the changes are designed to target the freezer filling trips up north (hence the no unaccompanied commercial transportation of fish rule and bag limit reductions) not the at home storage of fish. Accordingly I am in support of the changes in principle.
Trips up north will still happen, but perhaps target species will change a little and the enjoyment of sustainable fishing for gamefish will take a step up at the expense of food fishing. Accordingly I think its a long bow to suggest this mars the end of the tourism, tackle and boat industries.
If I am near my possession limit it doesn't stop me from heading out for a fish and practicing catch and release. If I have a heap of fish at home why land more, that is only going to go to the back of the queue and be eaten in 6 months time. All it takes is a quick review of what is left in the freezer before you head out to determine what you might target that day and or land for consumption. (of course plenty of fish usually goes to extended family whenever they pop around so there is always plenty of pressure on my fillet stocks not withstanding the lack of time I have had on the water this past few years)
I seriously doubt Fisheries wil be doing door knocking raids on random recfisho's freezers at home unless they have a strong suspicion that you are raping and pillaging in a big way. They will however be strongly enforcing the trips up north travelling possession.
Perhaps a better law might be that they have two possession limits;one for your permanent place of residence at 20kgs and one for travelling ie 10kgs. I would be much more in favour of that.
I probably don't have an issue with the 10kg limit
Brought back roughly 15kg of fillets from Darwin last year, that was enough to spread a few packs around my family and kept me in fish for 3-4 months at a feed a week.
The bit I am not keen on is the prohibited unacompanied fish transported by commercial couriers. A trip to say Thevenard for a week with 5 blokes in one vehicle makes it almost impossible to bring home 5 x 10kg of fillets without using commercial couriers or 2-3 engels fitted in somehow.
I still believe fishing is a sport ( an expensive one at that ) and the by-products of a feed a bonus.
Geez I play golf and that costs me a fortune with the only bonus being severe frustration and a hangover after the 19th.
We live on a planet with finite resources period. It doesn't matter what resource, they are finite.
Attitude is central to survival.
We as a species have a criminal record in relation to waste.
Fish stocks need to be preserved and as the population expontentially increases we need to make concessions. It aint rocket science, it's reality.
If you think Science has all the answers you aren't well educated. I have a couple of university degress in science and I dont believe it one bit myself. It's only one small variable in the complex equation that is life. Science will never answer all the questions. It is important but not the be all and end all.
Do you want to fish with your grandkids or bitch and moan and dribble of the years gone by................ Like it's been stated before regulation has worked wonders in other states so for goodness sake catch up here and act while we have the chance. See how good the NT fishery is but they still have bag limits and are bringing more in.... why I hear you say......to improve the economy really. When I was a kid you were considered a good fisherman if you caught a fish, let alone something size.
Point to any policy/regulations/law that is bullet proof, well thought out or exact. None since the dawn of time!
I have never come home with the bag limit nor intend to and maybe that's because I didn't grow up in WA. I've seen plenty of the world and one thing is for sure, Australia is the best but unfortunately Australian's tend to be the dumbest because 99.99999999% dont appreciate the life we have. Best thing most WA people can do is get out for a while.
It's got nothing to do with being Green or greenies taking rights away. Again educate yourself to the realities of evolution.
We have the perfect opportunity to lead the world in conservation but dont and why is that?
I suggest you educate yourself to the definition of conservation before to attemp to lable me personally. I'm ready to educate you and have heard it all before!
For me I dont specifically spend money to catch fish and catching fish is not the only reason I fish. I certainly wont be spending less and before you squeel yes I live in the Kimberley but even if we have severe restrictions here I wouldn't complain, be bothered not cry and sell my gear. I'd still get out an enjoy the luxuries we have here and enjoy.
I also have mates that work for fisheries, they are all good people, love to fish and surprisingly if you allowed yourself the time to get to know them are fighting the same cause as you. Funny that, they just know that unfortunately people elect to break the law and in the interest of net beniefit for all do a job to curb the negative impact.
It's not the end of the world, far from it, so be constructive and the best weapon is education, not viral unsensibility.
And Damo, it's good to know that some of them genuinely care about their work.
But if Fisheries is anything like some of the morons I deal with at DEC, there will be shitloads (especially the desk-jockeys) that are only doing it as a job and have no real care / no idea of the real scenario.
And unfortunately some of those morons feed the info to their moronic bosses who make the moronic decisions.
We had DEC issue instructions for a certain project that was absolutely laughable.
And in the correspondence that followed, it was revealed that there's a deep lack of understanding of what they were doing, and the implications their irrelevant "instructions" had on the project.
So that's my problem with being dictated to by certain authorities - I've yet to meet one where I've been left feeling "Wow, this guy really knows his sh!t !"
Haha, well that's awkward - and as I said in my answer to your PM - no I don't know you.
And I'll hope that - like your mates at Fisheries - you are one of the good guys.
But I stand by my comments about many laws / regulations / being created by people who have little understanding of the real world.
Whether it be DEC, Fisheries, or any other Governmental department - what we all read, see and hear gives us little faith in what they're doing.
And when I speak to the some of the hands-on field guys about some of the issues, they are as confused as anyone else about some of the reasons behind the regulations.
And I bet you've shaken your head more than few times at some of the things you see when dealing with other Gov't departments, no ?
So, no it's not personal - I'm just applying this warranted "stereotyping" to this discussion, as I truly believe that the real valuable guys are a minority - or too far down the line to make a difference.
I'm not going to comment on law as I work for the government. It's not a cop-out but I signed my agreement and understand such and thus must observe it.
Again, law comes from the TOP, not the bottom.
If you dont like it, change it and VOTE with education not heritics!
it is the aim of the green army to completly stop fishing .wake up people. i go north a couple of times a year and go for the 20kg limit but does that mean i get it all the time, no there is a little thing called mother nature that has her say in reguards to wheather ect some trips you will bring home SFA so to say that people like me are freezer fillers is just green bullshit .there is nothing wrong with fish stocks up north ,there is no need to 1/2 the bag limits .this is all part of the great green plan and every time we roll over because sites like this are full of green agents telling us to we add another nail.
there will be plenty of fish for your grandkids but you will have sold away their right to anything but to look at them
People need to start making informed decisions, before you make some stupid comment like its not worth going up north, im going to sell my boat or tackle shops will go out of business how about you read the actual document especially the title (DRAFT..) and stop relying on channel 7 or perthnow to make your decisions.
Also consider that eco tourism (catch and release) in other sensitive fisheries around the world is far more economically important than a bunch people catching to fill their freezer.
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I probably still won't threaten the fish stocks! lol !!!
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Wouldnt be suprised if it was for the north west and included possession limits, will wait n see.
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Just seen this on PerthNow
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/fill-the-freezer-fishing-trips-are-gone/story-e6frg13u-1226277644893
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Paully
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I'm all for conservation of fish stocks
and associated bag limits etc - but what the hell - 20kg possession limit to 10kg - can't say I agree with that, anyway will have to wait and see I guess.
dodgy
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I agree but it's just a draft
I agree but it's just a draft proposal. I like eating a lot of fish but do spend most of the year chasing billies and fishing comps that are predominantly tag and release. Do a few freezer trips a year and am happy with limits as they sit.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Man Overboard
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How can they slash a
How can they slash a possesion rate of 1 Dhuie and 1 snapper.
Adam is on the money, pilbara and Gasgoyne regions, look out guys.
twicther
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Bag limits slashed wtf
Some of of us can go at regular intervals of the year, so 10 kg should not be a problem to me.
That will not be easy for some, if going on a once a year trip guys will not respect the new rulings
and fair enough, saying that taking freezers full to me is not on.
UncutTriggerInWA
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So I go halves with my mate in a beast
So that we can survive. That is allowed. So seafood is seen as such a fugin delicacy at the prices they charge. That is enough to send us all out fishing. FFS we have a right to live on what we want without destroying everything. What's wrong with a yearly fishing episode between mates that "maybe" will fullfill aready existing quotas and feed a few families for some time?
OK so I have had my night cap... back off LOL
Vince.
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sea-kem
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It says down to 10 kg with an
It says down to 10 kg with an additional 10kg of pelagics.This will be interesting. We only managed 14 kg each last year because of the weather and was pretty happy with that. A lot more trolling to be doe then ;) if this comes about.
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Tim
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Proposal
The proposal is on the fisheries website already.
Heres the link if you want to read it http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/mp/mp252/fmp252.pdf
It has the info on the draft proposed changes to bag and posession limits.
Man Overboard
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Not bad Sea kem. I'd be ok
Not bad Sea kem. I'd be ok with 28 kg of fillets
Sorry cunstable i thought it was wahoooooooooo
Lamby
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Time to grab our ankles again
Time to grab our ankles again is it? What a joke we must live in a communist dictatorship
Faulkner Family
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in all honesty it doesnt
in all honesty it doesnt seem too bad apart from the reduction in the limit we are allowed to bring home from our trip away. still can get 20kg of fish,10kg demersal and 10kg of demersal .i know i will get slammed for this but it has to happen if you want to be able to take your grandchildren fishing and get these species they want to protect. unfortunatly due to our older generations that went up north and came home with freezers full of fish like red emperor and mackies their numbers had dwindled. some people say they havnt caught a red emp over the 10 kg mark, can you imagine how many of this size would be around if these regs were in 20 years ago.my answer would a hell of a lot as they wouldnt be so hard to catch as there would be copius amounts of these fish out there.
there i said my piece now have a go back. I DARE YOU
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
soupster51
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10kg versus 20kg
I haven't read it so I'll start with that comment but if a change to restrictions from 20kg to 10kg of possessed fish is to do with Metro waters then here is my immediate thoughts. There's a lot of big fish in metro waters - Dhues, snapper, then the deep water stuff. One good sized bass grouper along with a good sized harpuka would put you over 10kgs of fillets straight away. This then promotes people giving fish away if they are worried about being caught. This in turn stops the non-fishos from having to buy fish hurting the local fish monger. And even further may go on to hurt the local resteraunts because people are eating quality fish for free (or at an agreed fee between the giver and taker). 10kgs is a little crazy but that's just my opion.
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Faulkner Family
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from my understanding is the
from my understanding is the 10kg is when traveling away for a fish not what you have in your freezer.
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
Jody
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Nope
It's in the freezer as well
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Tony Halliday
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thats what worries me,I can
thats what worries me,
I can go out and buy 100kg of dhuie fillet if I got the cash from a fish market, yet can;t catch and keep in my freezwer more than 10kg WTF
We eat fish three times a week, as I have a colestrol issue and so each night it would be four serves of 300grm each and more if we have a house guest.
I fish maybe once a month, and now will have to take my baglimit to ensure I can eat my catch !
What happens if I come home with a pair of snapper, and pair of tuna? or a big groper? do you throw away the excess fillets over ten kg in your fireezer???
No thought given to this buger-up!
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
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Dizzy
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Good point regarding Caught
Good point regarding Caught vs Bought.
snappermiles
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arent the rules on possesion limits
per person so even if your family (kids and wife) dont have a license you can still keep there limit in the freezer! so 4 x 10 kg = 40kg of fillets plus then you could also have 40 kg of pelagic fillets!
ALL FISHERMEN ARE LIARS EXCEPT YOU AND ME! AND IM NOT SO SURE ABOUT YOU!
scotto
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Nah, it's per license,
And that's not the right attitude either...
It's opinions and attitudes like that, that the abalone brigade were using to take excess abs : dad goes abbing, whilst mum and 400 "licensed" kids sit on the beach.
snappermiles
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your wrong scotto
it is per person who lives at the house!! i have just rang fisheries and double checked! this has nothing to do with abolone or the clowns that rape the abolone
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Rob H
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snapper is right
You DO NOT have to have a licence to possess amateur caught fish, only to have a baglimit when at sea and landing. This goes whether you are travelling or at home.
for example-you "could" take the family away (4?), only you have an RFBL and fish for a week and transport 40 (or 80??)kg home.
And while we are at it-WTF with all the rhetoric about "freezer filling" on FW, FisheriesWA and other sites?
Some people like to catch and release, I like to catch some fish, freeze it and take it home, and dont accept being "labelled" or villified for it.
I have a larger than average family and feed them fish.
If anyone doesnt like that then that sucks but dont bother telling me about it.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
fishing fanatic
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ok i dont know if i read this
ok i dont know if i read this wrong, but its my understanding that its 10kg of dermshals fillets each. now 10kg of fillets? thats like a 20kg dhuie and a 9kg baldy right there. we find we get about 33% weight in fillets of a demershal and 60-70% of a pelajic. if this rule is only for the west coast zone it wont have much effect what so ever. who hear can say they have gotten 10kg of demersal fillets often? now minus a blue grouper or your deeper speices. its not that easy to do! plus isnt it now 3 pelgajics? id happly take that. it seems more like we are gaing one extra fish not loosing fish we can catch. somethine to think about.
dumper
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You are that older
You are that older generation. Freezers weren't invented the generation before you.
Faulkner Family
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i may be and old fart but
i may be and old fars but geez not that old. they still had ice tho and big eskies
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sea-kem
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So just read the paper this
So just read the paper this morning 1 Dhufish WTF!!! So how do we offficially comment?If this comes through might as well sell the boat as it's a waste of time going out. Who th eF%$%^%head who comes up with this shit?
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Daniel Y
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Mate it's been one dhufish
Mate it's been one dhufish per person in the West Coast Bioregion since March 2010. What are you going on about?
sea-kem
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Have you read the paper?? It
Have you read the paper?? It says 1 dhufish per bag limit everywhere not two per boat that's the way I read it. I know what the current bag limits are.That's what I'm going on about.
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scotto
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Wrong,
Read the fisheries proposal. It will remain as it is, with a bag limit of 1 dhu per person, boat limit of 2.
sea-kem
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Well the shitting West
Well the shitting West Australian is wrong then or unclear as it says 1 Dhufish everywhere. Doesn't mention boat limits.
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sarcasm0
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Bugger the West
Try reading the document:
Proposal 5 – Bag limits and size limits for finfish.
There are no proposals to change minimum size limits. A review of size limits that will
involve consultation with the recreational and commercial sectors will be undertaken as a
separate exercise.
Fisheries Management Paper No.252 3
Demersal Finfish & Sharks/Rays
High vulnerability due to biological characteristics (e.g. long-lived, late maturing, large
maximum size, sex change, limited distribution or small stock size, late maturing
reproduction, etc) .
Individual bag limits
All species have an individual bag limit of 2 fish per fisher (or licensed fisher, when taken
from a boat) unless otherwise specified – note some species have a bag limit of 1 or 5.
South Coast, Gascoyne, North Coast Bioregions
• Mixed species daily bag limit – 5 per angler
West Coast Bioregion (as per existing arrangements)
• Mixed species daily bag limit – 2 per angler
• Boat limit of 2 Western Australian dhufish (6 on a charter boat)
• Closed season 15 October to 15 December for demersal finfish (excludes sharks
and rays)
sea-kem
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Yeah you're right Sarcasmo I
Yeah you're right Sarcasmo I got sucked in by media sensationalism (big word ;) They headline it with proposed bag limits so most people would get harked up. Sorry for being 'WRONG' Scotto.
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scotto
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Don't take it to heart mate,
I just can't be stuffed tiptoeing around a politically correct, lovey-dovey, I don't want to hurt your feelings response.
sea-kem
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Never do mate. I think we've
Never do mate. I think we've all worked that about you now.
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sarcasm0
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How to comment
2.1 Opportunity for public comment - making a submission
The release of this discussion paper for public comment provides an opportunity for you to
express an opinion on how recreational fishing should be managed. It is equally important that
you respond whether you agree or disagree with the various proposals.
A review panel comprising of representatives from the Department of Fisheries and Recfishwest
will consider the submissions received to ensure all issues are taken into consideration.
Recfishwest, as the peak body representing recreational fishers, will be providing independent
advice to the Minister for Fisheries, which takes into account the level of support and community
views expressed on each of the proposals.
The Minister will consider this advice, along with advice from the Department of Fisheries,
before making decisions on the future management of recreational fishing.
When making your submission and to ensure your comments are as effective as possible, please:
• Clearly and briefly describe each separate subject you wish to address.
• Refer to the different proposals in the discussion paper.
• Tell us whether you agree/disagree with any or all of the proposals.
• Suggest alternative ways to resolve the issues raised in this paper or identified by you.
Where to send your submission
The closing date for submissions is 30 April 2012. Please send your submission along with your
full name and address to:
Recfishwest
PO Box 34
NORTH BEACH
Western Australia 6920
Email:
randall df223
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submissions thru recfishwest
submissions thru recfishwest i believe?
Fish! HARD!
DX288
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A lot of good that will do
A lot of good that will do us.
They sold us out last time and probably will again.
Daniel Y
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A proposed mixed total bag
A proposed mixed total bag of 8 estuarine/nearshore fish is quite a significant change. This section includes, tailor, skippy, tarwhine, bream, KGs, flathead, flounder. Personally it doesn't bother me because i hardly keep fish, but I can see some people having a serious winge about it. Also they appear to have put 'wrasse and parrot fish' in this section. I'm not sure if this is a mistake or not, but hell if i had to chose between 8 wrasse and 8 KGs i know what I would take ...
Faulkner Family
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its always been 8 of these
its always been 8 of these species . but you can get your 2 demersal and 2 palegic and your 30 herring or sand whiting. so yeah there is still a lot of fish that can be taken on your boat and if you have 2 on, double it. but in all reality who is going to take that much. if i fish fo kgs i will then go after some nice fat sand whiting to top up. still get a good feed for a few people
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
Daniel Y
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I know this thread is a
I know this thread is a month old now, but just re reading and though i'd mention that you are incorrect. The current mixed bag limit in the west coast bio region for Medium Risk Species is 12 per angler/license.
brenz
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Hmmmmm bit rough when you
Hmmmmm bit rough when you head north and all you can bring home for the family is 1 decent mack and 3 spango's all i can see this doing is killing the tackle industry to be honest .
scotto
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Bang on
Jody
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O M F G
Nathan Harrison and your 'Socially Acceptable' possesion limits are a total crock.
What a nightmare
http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/mp/mp252/fmp252.pdf
TWiZTED
sarcasm0
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What gives me the shits
3.1.1 Recreational
Prior to 1989, a limited set of management measures were in place for recreational fishing in
WA. With an increase in fishing participation, increased leisure time, greater ownership of boats
and 4WD vehicles, it was time to reassess the management of recreational fishing to ensure that
the quality of the State’s fisheries were maintained and fish stocks were sustainable.
It was for these reasons that the first comprehensive management framework for recreational
fishing was developed during a two-year review between 1989 and 1991 (The future for
recreational fishing, issues for community discussion, Recreational Fishing Advisory Committee,
March 1990). The result of the review was a framework for the management of recreational
fishing including:
• A state-wide set of daily bag and size limits for all fish species be developed.
• The establishment of a Recreational Fishing Account into which revenue from recreational
licences was placed.
With more pressure on our fish resources in the ensuing years, a range of different fisheries issues
arose in different parts of WA. This initiated the need for the development and implementation
of modified management arrangements for specific fishing areas and species. In turn, this led to
fisheries management becoming increasingly reactive between 1992 and 1995, with resources
focused on dealing with different management issues as they occurred.
In 2006, a series of bioregional recreational fishing management reviews were undertaken.
These were aimed at managing increases in recreational fishing pressure caused by a growth in
angler participation and increases in efficiency through the use of technology such as Global
Positioning Systems, colour sounders and gear improvements.
The bioregional reviews delivered the following three important outcomes:
• A new three-tiered bag limit structure, which was applied across the State.
• A general state-wide fish possession limit.
• A minimum fillet length for fish that have been processed at sea.
In 2009, research assessments on the status of key demersal finfish species (dhufish, pink snapper
and baldchin groper) on the west coast indicated the level of fishing was not sustainable. This
research indicated that catches of demersal species in the West Coast Bioregion needed to be
reduced by at least 50 per cent in order to allow stocks to rebuild.
To deliver this catch reduction, the Government approved a range of new measures that included
establishing a management framework for demersal species and introducing a state-wide
recreational boat fishing licence. This involved separating out demersal species from pelagic
ones in the ‘high risk’ category.
The new Recreational Fishing from Boat Licence (RFBL) was primarily designed to provide a
state-wide database of recreational boat fishers to assist in surveys to more precisely determine
recreational catch and effort.
3.2.3 Monitoring the recreational catch
A crucial element in effective recreational fisheries management is the availability of quality data
for all recreational fisheries, including time-series data on catch levels (retained and discarded)
and fishing activity and biological data to indicate the status of targeted fish populations.
In recent years, considerable resources have been devoted to the West Coast Bioregion and
the inner gulfs of Shark Bay to determine the status of demersal scalefish stocks. While it is
important to continue to monitor the recovery of these stocks, a better understanding of the
status of other fish stocks is also required.
The Recreational Fishing from Boat Licence (RFBL) that was introduced in 2010 has provided
a database of boat fishers across WA. The database, in conjunction with logbooks completed by
a survey sample group of 3,500 RFBL holders, will assist in determining who is fishing, where
they are fishing and what they are catching.
The RFBL database was used to develop the first state-wide recreational boat fishing survey,
undertaken in 2011. The 2011 survey involved around 3,500 log book holders, selected from
the RFBL database, and boat ramp surveys were undertaken to verify the logbook data. Results
of the survey, including estimates of total state-wide recreational catch and effort levels, will
be released in 2012. In future, surveys will be repeated every two years to provide ongoing
estimates of catch and effort levels by boat-based fishers.
Catch surveys provide information essential to the sustainable management of recreational
fisheries. They also provide a means of comparing recreational catches with the catch recorded
in commercial fisheries, and are important in the resolution of resource-sharing conflicts.
They acknowledge all the recent changes they have made, state that the data from the RFBL survey wont even be released until later this year and we are talking about :
'High vulnerability due to biological characteristics (e.g. long-lived, late maturing, large
maximum size, sex change, limited distribution or small stock size, late maturing
reproduction, etc) .'
How could they possibly know that the changes they have already made will not be enough?
scotto
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Yep.
Dead right sarcasmo.
They need to give the changes they already made just a few years ago, time to actually determine whether they made a difference.
They also need to take another looooong hard look at their commercial data, and implement some more changes there ( that is, if they are actually dinkum about fish preservation.....).
All they need to look at is how much banning commercial fishing between mandurah and lancelin has made a difference to metro stocks. I have never seen so many dhus and baldys, both sized and juveniles, whilst diving and fishing over the last few years, and it is noticeably more every year.
Brucesta
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some precious little flowers
some precious little flowers on here today....
10kg PER PERSON of demersals and a further 10kg of pelagic PER PERSON, guys this is fillets not fish whole, one good mac per person is heaps of fish and really how many 4-6kg trout/reds/bluebone whatever will you need to catch to get your limit, i suggest it's a few, Mixed bag of 5 Demersals per person for up north. So much for all you people saying i only take what i need, seems you all need too much if this is such an injustice. I have never come back with a bag limit of any fish in my life but i still am able to eat fish. might only bring 1 or 2 nice fish home a month and if it gets too hard then a mackeral comes home.
Be thankful fish are still there and you'll be thanking these people when you start to catch bigger fish, would you rather they add 5-8cm to each demersal size limit and maybe catch none over this or still be able to take some fish home with you.
Flame away...
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Lamby
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Yeah right-o Brucesta,
Yeah right-o Brucesta I will have a bite because there is nothing like an inflammatory introduction to get your point across is there? Just a little hunch but I think some people prefer a little flexibility in their bag limits not that they may take the whole kit & caboodle, not having it halved. Some valid points raised by these 'precious flowers' ie. The past bag cuts really haven't been given time to see the effect, impact not only on tackle industry but marine also not forgetting the tourist sector. Ps. How is the view up there from the pulpit??
Brucesta
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View is fine Lamby, you gonna
View is fine Lamby, you gonna go and sell your boat and all your tackle now are you because someone said you can't take 20kgs of reds, trout from northern waters? people will still travel to fish, people will still keep fishing, THIS IS A PROPOSAL, stop whinging and get your submissions in then. Sounds like it's the end of the world for some of you, agreed seems a little knee jerk and no figures to back it up it. As posted down below doesn't seem to harm people going to the abrohlos now does it? It's not being halved you can still take 20kg of fish fillets if you wish and it's only gonna drop from 7 to 5 per person no more than 2 of each species as a mixed bag daily limit.
If anything people will switch to sportfishing and tag and release styles chasing billfish and the like so i think your way off the mark thinking people are going to stop buying tackle because the bag limit has been altered if anything people are going to buy more and diversify their techniques. why not come back with a nice haul of squid or crabs to complement the fish? think outside the box kiddo's
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Lamby
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No doubt it is for you, some
No doubt it is for you, some like that but not my cup of tea
Correct me if I am wrong on my original post but I was speaking of flexibility not taking the whole 20, traveling north for my quota has never been my intention as I do well at home but I do try to encompass other view points when I can. Just because you or I don't who are we to lecture others?
By the way I appreciate the use of caps lock to place emphasis on your points, I and others here are clearly a couple of stubbies short or naive to think these PROPOSALS never eventuate into policy. Let me take the time to thank you for your intellectual prowess!
God forbid anyone has a different view point to you, united we stand tall divided we fall
Brucesta
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I am the LAW!! anybody
I am the LAW!!
anybody heading out on the weekend?
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Faulkner Family
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thats prety much the same as
thats prety much the same as i said earlier in this thread .yes we have gone away and came back with close to our limit but we also shared amongst family and friends that dont have the opertunity to get out and fish. in future they will just get less fish. fishing isnt just about getting a big feed of fish. you got to enjoy it as well. if your only in it for the fish , get rid of the boat and go buy it and it would probably work out cheaper
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
Bodie
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this will also have an
this will also have an efffect on the travel industry to places like Exmouth.
Most people go once a year to such places, and all your allowed to bring home per person is 2 reds?
dont see a big issue in metro waters (Except what happens if you do catch big deep water stuff like Ryan) and one fish holds more than 10kg's of fillets?
Abroholos has been running 10kg's of fillets for some time now, people have gotten used to that, but driving 1400 km's north and spending large sums of money is a different story. (We are heading to exmouth for 12 days for the FW comp, 8 blokes costs are over 15k so far!)
CCC
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Am I reading this right...15K
Am I reading this right...15K for 12days in Exy????????
snappermiles
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eight blokes
not even two grand each sounds pretty good
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Bodie
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others may be able to answer
others may be able to answer this, but on the above topic, im under the impression tropical fish species have a much faster growth rate than the species down the south west?
till
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Entirely species dependent.
Entirely species dependent.
Adam Gallash
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Yup
Entirely species dependent, eg, a 70cm spangled will be 25 odd years old or there abouts.
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Bodie
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bloody hell!!! 25 years old!!
bloody hell!!! 25 years old!! and those things seem to be in plague proportions in exie.
What about reds, trout, Rankin etc?
madfisher
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I have to agree with Brucesta
I have to agree with Brucesta 10kg of demersal fillets is still a fair whack and add 10kg of pelagic fillets makes it a fair haul for me personally. I only keep what I want to eat normally anyway so it won't affect me all that much at all.
I know the changes upset a few but the way I see it too I grew up in Melbourne and we struggled to even get a size fish more or less than get the amount in fillets we get the chance to catch here so we do get it pretty good here and hey I'd rather see these changes than what the greenies want to do by closing down most of our coast line.
Codhead
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The Big Picture
I agree with Brucesta and madfisher. Also have to understand that there is a heap of ideologically green driven pressure to make huge areas of WA into fishing free marine parks so fisheries need to be able to clearly demonstrate the positive effects of fisheries management and a sustainable fishery
The gods do not deduct from mans allotted span the hours spent in fishing
bod
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720 am at/after 9.30 this morning
the guy who helped frame the new rules will be talking on 720 am at/after 9.30am this morning (Wednesday).
Tony Halliday
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absolute cr@p with F-all
absolute cr@p with F-all science behind it!
Bloody pandering to the greenies again.
I'm so mad about this.
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
meglodon
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warning warning will robertson waring
You are very close to the danger in this review tony, the proposed changes are being based on "socialy acceptable" input Not sientific based.So those that shout the loudest (and have the money a la PEW group) can sway the social consience and that will interm bring about changes which are based on nothing else but what i think. not what the science is telling us. didn't we all pay for a RFBL so that the money will be available to conduct scientific studies to find out exactly what is going on with dimersal fish in the west coast reagion.and what do the tree huggers put towards these studies sweet nothing.
To all FW members I ask you to go to your local fishing tackle store get a submission form fill it in and as a last comment ask fisheries how come the change from science based to social oppinion based means of making fishing regulations and what about waiting untill the results of the 3 month closure have been evaluated along with changes the hot water wave have made to local fish stocks.
Guys it's time to put up (a submission) or we will have to cop it sweet
sarcasm0
Posts: 1396
Date Joined: 25/06/09
Apparently red emporer are pelagic?
Nathan Harrison right now on 720.
Edit: He just said they have reduced the rec and pro catch by 50% already! If thats the stated aim then why more reductions?!
MattMiller
Posts: 4171
Date Joined: 15/06/09
So what does this mean for deep drop?
if you are lucky enough to get something solid (eg. my 46kg Bass Groper) where do you stand on that?
Lastchance
Posts: 1274
Date Joined: 02/02/09
You'll have to just take
You'll have to just take enough for a feed and leave the rest on the beach!
Tony Halliday
Posts: 2500
Date Joined: 14/06/07
excatly mate, do you keep
excatly mate, do you keep 10kg of fillet and have to toss the rest into the bin or what????
Legally I can catch a keep a 300kg marlin, but I wont be able to bring home the fillets!!!! from Exy
( it should fillet down to at least 100kg !!! 5 times the new possesion limit!)
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Rob H
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Date Joined: 18/01/12
no-as I believe you still
no-as I believe you still have the option of your daily bag limit instead of a kg possession limit. Though it'd be hard to freeze a 46kg fish whole, you can still land it under the daily bag limit rule.
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
glastronomic
Posts: 892
Date Joined: 16/02/11
While we were in exmouth
While we were in exmouth last year and stuck to the bag limits.
There was a commercial vessel unloading his catch in the marina.
I watched what they were unloading while we entered the marina.
It was their daily catch of Red Emperor.
It went on and on, before we were there and still after we left ,big buckets full of red emeror coming out of the hold going on for more than 1/2 an hour while we were there putting the boat on the trailer.
Commercial fishing does deplete the stock, NOt the current bag limits and rec fishermen/women.
The resurgence of the fish in the Metro area is due to one big change and that is the removal of the longline license of the Cray boats.
Our current bag limit also made some difference.
**((We as a fishermens group will get done over untill we become an influential lobby group with access to the minister that goes about putting our views and wishes in a proffesional way.
Untill then we will be seen as a fringe group without a voice and powerbase.))**
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quadfisher
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Date Joined: 28/09/10
long history of bending over ( not me personnally)
Mixed feelings on this myself, since we have been policed or regulated in WA , rec fishers have pretty well
taken things on the chin, for the betterment of everyone, at our credit.
The days of pro,s taking deck lots of dhus in the metro whilst we returned excess, are over , and fisheries
and the general community , does at least acknowledge we excist now as well as seeing value in rec angling hopefully as a social need as well as its dollar value. I think its manly dhu ( pun intended) to the efforts of Frank P and others at rec fish west, Ian staggles from Western ang, and some at fisheries themselves,as well as the rest of us thinking anglers .
however I am starting to get that sinking feeling that its turning more political than it ever was, and with things like rec boat lic
( not skippers tick) and the like , its starting to seem run by bean counters not hands on blokes, and this ' lock it all up at any cost '
green political stuff , is worrying to me .You know 15 years ago or so I even voted green a couple of times, but never never again.
The new regs need your coment, I have mine written out in draft form now. If you agree or disagree say so before its too late.
quadfisher
sea-kem
Posts: 15108
Date Joined: 30/11/09
Good point Glastro. And those
Good point Glastro. And those same Reds would get sold to fish shops around the metro area and the ones not sold at the shop dumped I guess.
Love the West!
Andy_b
Posts: 633
Date Joined: 19/10/11
for sale 5m trail craft,
for sale 5m trail craft, fishing is becoming a joke, fishing is for relaxing and having a good laugh with mates and getting a feed etc. these new rules suck balls, why drive 15 hours to exmouth or gnarolo for 10 kgs of fish and one maccy ( decent maccy u would get 10 kg of fillets i would think ), just end up being a waste of money on fuel car wear etc, the days of fishing is over i think
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Tony Halliday
Posts: 2500
Date Joined: 14/06/07
Hell I cant even sell my
Hell I cant even sell my Berty for next to bugger all in this market at the moment, now this will kill off buyers even more!
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Dizzy
Posts: 753
Date Joined: 21/02/11
Put a glass bottom in
Put a glass bottom in it.
Maybe Nathan Harrison will buy it and drive around looking for fish all day.
He might even see more "pelagic" red Emperor
Oh, hang on - what if he doesn't see any - restrictions will get tighter !
Lamby
Posts: 3145
Date Joined: 04/08/09
Lol
Lol
Paul Jackson
Posts: 106
Date Joined: 19/04/09
Here is our opportunity to
Here is our opportunity to comment and provide input, this can be done online;
http://www.recfishwest.org.au/content/media-releases/files/3497_120222__submissions_sought_for_proposed_fishing_changes_with_links.pdf
Follow the link to do it online
Cheers
Paul J
Andy Mac
Posts: 4778
Date Joined: 03/02/06
Only Major Issue I have
Is the landing of big demersals. As others have said it might be fine as a whole fish but the moment you slice a fillet off you could be exceeding your possession limit. That part needs to be articulated extremely well to avoid wastage of the resource (I'll just slice 10kgs off and bin the rest).
10kgs is a lot of fillets and 50 meals worth is a lot if you live on your own. Add to that some wahoo burgers and tuna / mackie steaks and you could feed yourself for a year based at a fish meal every 3.6 days (or twice a week).
I think the possession limit changes once you get to your place of residence as whilst your wife and kids might not have a fishing from boat license or accompanying you with your fish on the road there is nothing stopping them from fishing from shore and subsequently adding additional possession limits to your home freezer.
I believe the changes are designed to target the freezer filling trips up north (hence the no unaccompanied commercial transportation of fish rule and bag limit reductions) not the at home storage of fish. Accordingly I am in support of the changes in principle.
Trips up north will still happen, but perhaps target species will change a little and the enjoyment of sustainable fishing for gamefish will take a step up at the expense of food fishing. Accordingly I think its a long bow to suggest this mars the end of the tourism, tackle and boat industries.
If I am near my possession limit it doesn't stop me from heading out for a fish and practicing catch and release. If I have a heap of fish at home why land more, that is only going to go to the back of the queue and be eaten in 6 months time. All it takes is a quick review of what is left in the freezer before you head out to determine what you might target that day and or land for consumption. (of course plenty of fish usually goes to extended family whenever they pop around so there is always plenty of pressure on my fillet stocks not withstanding the lack of time I have had on the water this past few years)
I seriously doubt Fisheries wil be doing door knocking raids on random recfisho's freezers at home unless they have a strong suspicion that you are raping and pillaging in a big way. They will however be strongly enforcing the trips up north travelling possession.
Perhaps a better law might be that they have two possession limits; one for your permanent place of residence at 20kgs and one for travelling ie 10kgs. I would be much more in favour of that.
All those in favour say "Aye"
Cheers
Andy Mac (Fishwrecked Reeltime Editor & Forum Moderator)
Youngest member of the Fishwrecked Old Farts Club
Brucesta
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Date Joined: 29/05/09
here here Andy Mac or Aye
here here Andy Mac or Aye whatever you prefer, common sense and politicians is never going to be mentioned in the same sentence.
Las Vegas - Rolling the dice and trying your luck. 1M+ Barra summer target. 100kg Black Marlin winter target
DX288
Posts: 5
Date Joined: 14/02/09
Aye
Aye
Alanby
Posts: 49
Date Joined: 14/10/11
I probably don't have an
I probably don't have an issue with the 10kg limit
Brought back roughly 15kg of fillets from Darwin last year, that was enough to spread a few packs around my family and kept me in fish for 3-4 months at a feed a week.
The bit I am not keen on is the prohibited unacompanied fish transported by commercial couriers. A trip to say Thevenard for a week with 5 blokes in one vehicle makes it almost impossible to bring home 5 x 10kg of fillets without using commercial couriers or 2-3 engels fitted in somehow.
I still believe fishing is a sport ( an expensive one at that ) and the by-products of a feed a bonus.
Geez I play golf and that costs me a fortune with the only bonus being severe frustration and a hangover after the 19th.
damo6230
Posts: 2029
Date Joined: 07/06/08
constructive discussions........
We live on a planet with finite resources period. It doesn't matter what resource, they are finite.
Attitude is central to survival.
We as a species have a criminal record in relation to waste.
Fish stocks need to be preserved and as the population expontentially increases we need to make concessions. It aint rocket science, it's reality.
If you think Science has all the answers you aren't well educated. I have a couple of university degress in science and I dont believe it one bit myself. It's only one small variable in the complex equation that is life. Science will never answer all the questions. It is important but not the be all and end all.
Do you want to fish with your grandkids or bitch and moan and dribble of the years gone by................ Like it's been stated before regulation has worked wonders in other states so for goodness sake catch up here and act while we have the chance. See how good the NT fishery is but they still have bag limits and are bringing more in.... why I hear you say......to improve the economy really. When I was a kid you were considered a good fisherman if you caught a fish, let alone something size.
Point to any policy/regulations/law that is bullet proof, well thought out or exact. None since the dawn of time!
I have never come home with the bag limit nor intend to and maybe that's because I didn't grow up in WA. I've seen plenty of the world and one thing is for sure, Australia is the best but unfortunately Australian's tend to be the dumbest because 99.99999999% dont appreciate the life we have. Best thing most WA people can do is get out for a while.
It's got nothing to do with being Green or greenies taking rights away. Again educate yourself to the realities of evolution.
We have the perfect opportunity to lead the world in conservation but dont and why is that?
I suggest you educate yourself to the definition of conservation before to attemp to lable me personally. I'm ready to educate you and have heard it all before!
For me I dont specifically spend money to catch fish and catching fish is not the only reason I fish. I certainly wont be spending less and before you squeel yes I live in the Kimberley but even if we have severe restrictions here I wouldn't complain, be bothered not cry and sell my gear. I'd still get out an enjoy the luxuries we have here and enjoy.
I also have mates that work for fisheries, they are all good people, love to fish and surprisingly if you allowed yourself the time to get to know them are fighting the same cause as you. Funny that, they just know that unfortunately people elect to break the law and in the interest of net beniefit for all do a job to curb the negative impact.
It's not the end of the world, far from it, so be constructive and the best weapon is education, not viral unsensibility.
Dizzy
Posts: 753
Date Joined: 21/02/11
Sorta off-topic : I'm ALL for
Sorta off-topic :
I'm ALL for conservation and reasonable limits.
And Damo, it's good to know that some of them genuinely care about their work.
But if Fisheries is anything like some of the morons I deal with at DEC, there will be shitloads (especially the desk-jockeys) that are only doing it as a job and have no real care / no idea of the real scenario.
And unfortunately some of those morons feed the info to their moronic bosses who make the moronic decisions.
We had DEC issue instructions for a certain project that was absolutely laughable.
And in the correspondence that followed, it was revealed that there's a deep lack of understanding of what they were doing, and the implications their irrelevant "instructions" had on the project.
So that's my problem with being dictated to by certain authorities - I've yet to meet one where I've been left feeling "Wow, this guy really knows his sh!t !"
damo6230
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Date Joined: 07/06/08
You must know me Dizzy but I dont recollect you?
I work for DEC.
I'm not a moron and hopefully you aren't implying that I am.
I also work in regulation and yes I know the law.
My job is pretty simple really.
Dizzy
Posts: 753
Date Joined: 21/02/11
Haha, well that's awkward -
Haha, well that's awkward - and as I said in my answer to your PM - no I don't know you.
And I'll hope that - like your mates at Fisheries - you are one of the good guys.
But I stand by my comments about many laws / regulations / being created by people who have little understanding of the real world.
Whether it be DEC, Fisheries, or any other Governmental department - what we all read, see and hear gives us little faith in what they're doing.
And when I speak to the some of the hands-on field guys about some of the issues, they are as confused as anyone else about some of the reasons behind the regulations.
And I bet you've shaken your head more than few times at some of the things you see when dealing with other Gov't departments, no ?
So, no it's not personal - I'm just applying this warranted "stereotyping" to this discussion, as I truly believe that the real valuable guys are a minority - or too far down the line to make a difference.
damo6230
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Date Joined: 07/06/08
No malice taken Dizzy
I'm not going to comment on law as I work for the government. It's not a cop-out but I signed my agreement and understand such and thus must observe it.
Again, law comes from the TOP, not the bottom.
If you dont like it, change it and VOTE with education not heritics!
Here's one of my philosophies in life
"do not think one is the sole object of the hunt"
I'll let you work that one out.
yellow and black
Posts: 65
Date Joined: 11/08/09
another nail in our coffin
it is the aim of the green army to completly stop fishing .wake up people. i go north a couple of times a year and go for the 20kg limit but does that mean i get it all the time, no there is a little thing called mother nature that has her say in reguards to wheather ect some trips you will bring home SFA so to say that people like me are freezer fillers is just green bullshit .there is nothing wrong with fish stocks up north ,there is no need to 1/2 the bag limits .this is all part of the great green plan and every time we roll over because sites like this are full of green agents telling us to we add another nail.
there will be plenty of fish for your grandkids but you will have sold away their right to anything but to look at them
paddy
Posts: 7
Date Joined: 06/04/08
Im with Damo, People need to
Im with Damo,
People need to start making informed decisions, before you make some stupid comment like its not worth going up north, im going to sell my boat or tackle shops will go out of business how about you read the actual document especially the title (DRAFT..) and stop relying on channel 7 or perthnow to make your decisions.
Also consider that eco tourism (catch and release) in other sensitive fisheries around the world is far more economically important than a bunch people catching to fill their freezer.
Consider this article
http://procs.gcfi.org/pdf/gcfi_46-3.pdf
as brucesta says; “flame away”
limit your kill dont kill your limit
quadfisher
Posts: 1146
Date Joined: 28/09/10
right of reply
damo ,speaking for myself and mates I challenge your 99.999% of aussies dont appreciate what we have, fishing or otherwise.
People on this forum love our countrys great outdoors and all that comes with it , friends of ammo jetty support , as a tiny example.
Also look at the photos of the beatiful locations where people fish on the site , and tell me fishermen/women here dont love and appreciate it.
secoundly greenies not taking rights away? so locking up vast areas , if they had there way, isnt?, for a man with 2 degrees
makes me wonder why you cant see it.
WA does lead the country on fish conservation , the cray industry is often refered to as the most regulated comm fishery
in Australia.
And as I stated rec fishers in WA have taken everything thrown at them , including rules and limits back in the day, when commercials
ran rife, with serious thought and acceptance.
But because we enjoy it so much and because its part of what it means to be a west aussie , like dizzy states we expect
the best from our leaders, not some on the run policys, to politicly applease some interest group.
cheers
quadfisher