SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE!!!!!!!
Im sick to death of going down to the river now to popular places such as whyndam bridge belmont maylands the list goes on to find that (not being racist at all)some of our overseas friends poaching numbers of bream that are simply finominal sometimes 30 at a time with atleast %50 undersize , this is just going to far now ,we try to educate them and the plead they dont understand english or simply just smile and say GOODBYE. why dont fisheries start deploying officers in large numbers to these popular places to nab some of them. I can almost guarentee if you go to the upperswan you will find ghost nets etc gettin put out . you ring the fisheries to bring this to there attention to no prevail every time so why bother. do officers operate at night if not maybe they should cause we have to find a solution to this quik smart before we wipe out our fast dieing river system.
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max199
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Totally agree
Brenz, I think alot of us has seen or heard of stories like this in our outings. I know I have a few times. To think this still goes on today is just plane B/S. Probably comes down to priorities as to why it still goes on? Money I guess....
I used to fish upstream alot a few years ago but the same thing put me off.
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Understand the issue Brenz..
Yes, I think we can acknowledge that different countries have different (ac)customs, without being racially prejudiced. Of course that doesn't mean that everyone from these countries will do, or are being accussed of doing the wrong thing. It would seem however, that certain ethnicities (because of the fishing value set they were brought up on) are disproportionaly represented when it comes to these practices.
When you telephoned DoF, what did they say?
If we are all concerned about it, maybe we can all start contacting DoF. One would hope the hold addage 'the squeaky wheel gets the oil' would hold true.
As for Fisheries Officers opperating at night, I've actually applied for one of the new positions and pre-application research I conducted would certainly suggest they do.
Just an idea, and it's been floated before, but maybe all e/immigrants need to be educated about our values on catch and release and sustainability.
Either way, the fines applied need to be punitive enough to dissuade these people.
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too much of it!
I agree Brenz this happens alot and not good. Their culture has wiped out their stocks at home and some try to do it to our waters. I'm not racist also but it grinds on me and it happens all too often. The FinFish fines are small compared to crustaceans so they seem to put their efforts there more so. I have seen them up river doing Ghost net stings but agree not enought of it!
Like Colin said, did you ring Fishwatch Brenz this time and the other times.........what was the outcome?
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This is not new
when you see Gobble Guts being kept along with 100mm cobbler from prawn nets in the Swan and crabs the width of a cricket ball in the Peel estuary you have a species risk just as high as the V5. Sorry guys, but this is organised pillage and if they got the good slap they richly deserve, you watch the race card come into play - i have had just that reaction plus been threatened with a gaff for protesting tiny crabs being taken way up the estuary. This was a long time ago and nothing has changed, they are still at it with more skill. At least the Abs are better protected.
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Brenz
Ring today tonight or a current affair!
Seriously they will act and do a story and then fishiers
will listen.
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Big Cahoonas
Citizens arrests are still legal I believe. Have to have your ducks in a row but.
and be very very brave.
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i agree that the fisheries
i agree that the fisheries have to be tighter on these ppl..and if they dont..im sure it wouldnt take long for the bream population to go down the drain...hopefully we could properly educate that its wrong for them to do that
the more u fish..the less stress u get....
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Yep it pisses me off
Yep it pisses me off aswell...
Lets contact today tonight.....
http://au.todaytonight.yahoo.com/contactform/30607
Brenz we should both go around these locations with vid cam and get them some footage of us fronting the offenders.
Would only take us a few nights to get some good evedence of whats going on.
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Maybe even find some
Maybe even find some offeders and vid us contacting fisheries and expose how fishers take there time and even dont make a apperance
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Govenment could make some
Govenment could make some good $$$ from the fines if they would just get the officers out there.
I would love to be a fisheries officer. I would be busting asses left right and center lol
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LOL!
No to diminish the seriousnous of this issue, I've now got this mental image of 150 burley blokes (and lady) outfitted in fishwrecked shirts, decending on some hapless (guilty) fisherman.
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Rodrat
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Taking undersize fish
I think most of them know the rules and they dont care.
They figure if i can catch it i will eat it.
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tommo77
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fair enough
I have seen it before too but its not just the asian population of australia, even aussies do this too ... maybe the government need to invest in some more fishing limit signs and place them around popular places (if they havent already) this way they cant say bla bla i didnt know ..
This will be an interesting topic if you go to the fisheries, current affair, etc but good on ya's im with ya 100% good luck!
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had the same problem in SA
had the same problem in SA just on a much bigger scale,all skin tones - call it greed or lack of marine education!!! pissed us off that the responsible angler was always the target by fisheries officers,while they would turn a blind eye to the natives who take everything(with no licence) cost us around a 1000 bucks per yr just on licences and thats just for rock and surf fishing.
the amount of times i personaly phoned the fisheriers about stuff happening and they dont even pitch,seeing 2 guys fill up a 50kg grain bag of tailor(4 the limit pp,just 1ec) was enough to make a man snap and with no help from the fisheries we took matters in our own hands - breaking there rods,melting the line on there reals and if need be they got slapped around before being taken to the fisheries dep,but that was africa...
its sad to see that its happening here,thought the officers would be more jacked up this side and cracking down on these types of issues,the officers better put there hands up and do something or els we'll be having the 1lb compo for the biggest blowie.... lol
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Interesting post
... Interesting post mate. I think the situation over here might be a little different than in South Africa though. The people catching undersize fish here are doing it in a much different economic climate that in SA. The people you saw in SA probably needed that fish to feed their families... that's not the case here.
RAGBAG
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fair enough,but i wasnt
fair enough,but i wasnt talking about the people that are fishing to feed there families(subsidery fishermen) they are a law amongest them selves....
was aimed more at the common man in the street,that is employed,but will over fish and take out anything that gets hooked -' because he can ' type of attitude.
the 2 guys i mentioned were builders and sold fish elegaly...u break the laws u are poaching....there should be zero tolerance with regards to poaching....no one should be above the law regardless of race or skin colour.i would like the next generation to be able to enjoy this fantastic sport,not just read about.
just my 2c mate
dpost80
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sweet...
No worries Ragbag...
... I agree with your sentiments if they are guys who are just doing it out of greed...
... Ironic actually as my Father-in-law was a builder and used to go down to Struisbai/Cape Agulus (Spelling) and would sell his fish to pay for his holiday (illegally of course)... ... and that aint right!
cheers,
damo
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Nope
no ways mate,
as an ex SAFFA as well I can tell you fish and crustacean poaching is a major problem in organized gang. Fishing for food is one thing, but majority of poachers do it for money.
Simple solution is if you caught once, you get a warning.
You get caught twice, the fine has to hurt hard!!!
you get caught third time, then you spend some time in prison as a poacher!!!
Easy mate, just vote carefully next time they put a form in front of you a promise to change the way they look at your marine and parks!!!
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undersize fish
Fisheries doesn't give a continental fellas, we have ring told them on various occasions, people bringing in undersized fish/crayfish etc, don't care. Ethnic people do understand but when asked anything they don't understand, "Me no speak English," but leave out $5 in their pay and see what happens. Yes I agree ring channel 7 do undercover filming, catch them and have Fisheries Officers there also. But unfortunately fellas not enough inspectors to go around, its called that evil thing MONEY.
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Send Spewie Luie down there
Send Spewie Lewie down there to sort them out, I nice Technicolour yawn into the bucket should do it
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i cannot beleve it!!
sometimes when i go fishing at the local marina i see people with whole GARBIGE bags full to the brim of herring,whiting and 10 cm tailor!!
and just because some species dont have a bag or size limit dosent mean you need 300 of them!! im speaking lituraly!
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Just walk up and tip the
Just walk up and tip the bucket of fish in the river. overseas visiters will eat any thing that swims . i seen a group of them lauching at Two rocks once , god help the v5 if they all get a boat.
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i agree with paul go up and
i agree with paul go up and tip there buket over what are they going to do about it?
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mmm
Stab you with their filleting knife? Nice in theory, doesn't always work out that way in practice. ;(
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lets hope this doesnt turn
lets hope this doesnt turn into a race hate topic - there are many that still do the right thing *raises hand*
but i do concur, its terrible and something needs to be done. However taking matters into your own hands is barely the solution, IMO.
Last thing you want is to be charged with assault or being stabbed.
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Yeah I agree Jorn, I've got
Yeah I agree Jorn, I've got a couple of asian mates that respect the reg's and fish within the rules.
There's still quite a few aussies around the traps doing the wrong thing too, it's not just one race that's greedy that's for sure.
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Absolutely Jorn
A 'race hate' from this thread would be the worst outome and yes, as Al said, there are 'aussies' that do the wrong thing, that, in my mind is far worse.
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I agree
with paul my old lady and dad fish the river reguarly and my old lady just grabs the bucket and empties it back in the water, my old man has a high tolerance with mum but still walks off while shes in the act!ha ha i put my hat down to her!
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spewie luie
let me eat twistis/potato chips/cheese & pickle sandwiches, I'll get um,
spewie luie strikes again yes everybody didn't mean to sound racist, its correct all races are doing it, may be fisheries is reading this and maybe they will do something, keep our fingers crossed, sorry if I offended anybody 
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the german
i have been in the same situation many years ago,i dumped a whole bucket of bream backin down at the causway,the 3 people who caught them was getting agro.i was on my own luckily nothing arose from that anger,i was lucky ,but thaught twice next time
ps .all bream about 20 all swam off
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hey
my mum is a aussie she married a german , ha, ive been here 27 years, class my self as a aussie just my nickname cos of my fat german head that was given to me otherwise known as box head!us german have big fat heads !
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no probs
we all eat sleep and s@#t here its were we call home and proud of it
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Do what i do tip there
Do what i do tip there bucket over, throw there rods and tackle boxes into the water and if they get the shits up about that they go in too. I done it once and would do it again thats how far i got pissed off. But that doesnt set a good example now does it. And as adam said id hate to see someone get hurt............
Let them know they are doing wrong, tell them u are dobbing them and have there number plate no, and they soon shit them selves! Trust me when you tell them what the fine is they think twice next time.
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nice
russ sums it up
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cheese head
Yes russ agree, but used to call dad Cheese Head as he was from Holland (me to)
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Use Fishwatch
I've had a PM asking if I have any influence with Fisheries and can do something about this.
The only right answer in the longer term is to use Fishwatch 1800 815 507 and make sure that it does the job.
Anything else will not fix these problems anywhere else.
Fishwatch details http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/sec/feed/fishwatch/index.php
Keep a record of when you call and all the info you give Fishwatch, if you get a call back from them, etc.
Fisheries staff can't be everywhere and look to help from the public to report things.
Yes I know some people say Fishwatch doesn't work, there aren't not enough Fisheries Officers, etc etc. But some other people have had a good result from Fishwatch reports
Well if you are not happy with the response you get from Fishwatch, THEN contact:-
Department of Fisheries. from http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/sec/feed/contact/index.php?0805
Executive Director,
3rd Floor, SGIO Atrium, 168-170 St George's Terrace, Perth WA 6000
Postal Address:- Locked Bag 39, Cloisters Square WA 6850 Phone: 08 9482 7333 Fax: 08 9482 7389
Email:
and
Fisheries Minister from http://www.premier.wa.gov.au/Pages/Contact.aspx
Hon. Jon Ford
9th Floor, Dumas House, 2 Havelock Street, WEST PERTH WA 6005
e-Mail: Phone number: (08) 9213 7200 Fax: (08) 9213 7201
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Thanks Terry. we can always
Thanks Terry. we can always rely on you to support some back up information on hot topics. i consistently see this happening everytime i go fishing. i was down hillarys yesterday and some guys had caught heaps of mullet, herring, yellowtail and even a few buffies. i told em that buffies didnt taste very nice, the older guy didnt understand and his kid explained it to hm in his native language. i then noticed they threw back all the buffies they had caught, but they were all dead
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max199
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Unfortunately
for alot of us the first thing we want is to resolve a situation straight away in any means how without thinking too rationally first, I"m guilty of that. As Terry said we ALL must use the correct channels put in place. When I read the posts about going and confronting them with a group of people I would actually join in BUT this won't solve much.
I now will follow the correct channels and follow up calls made and if then nothing is done, email/call/write even to the minister to let him/she know what has occured, then if nothing is done, well only you can decide that what else should be done!
.......Maxy.......
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OR we convince those people
OR we convince those people that blowies are australias best table fish, and then they take billions out of the swan and eat them and never fish again :) and then theres no blowies :)
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Partition coming
Partition coming on?
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Flangies...
Um, do you mean petition?
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No Col, i think he meant partition
as in partitioning their testicles with a filleting knife - aand it isn't just Asian people though they are well over represented - i've seen Wayne, Bruce and Chantelle at Monkey Mia and Pardoo with way over limit catches.
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Ouch!
LOL Ian - sounds just a BIT painful
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Lets sign
Lets sign up....
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Me not understand
Empty there bucket of undersized fish back into the water and kick them up the bum, their home fishery is stuffed and they will stuff up ours.
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