That would have to be the biggest load of codswallop I've ever heard. Thousands of sheep hey! makes the business of live export almost unviable if they are throwing half their cargo overboard.Where do they dig this shit up from? They must be pretty sick sheep if they are getting rid of them so early in the journey. All this is about is trying to get the live sheep export business banned nothing to do with sharks. Shame on you activists for using such an emotional issue to further your cause. Self righteous aresoles.
next thing they will be blaming the rec fisho for throwing the ofal overboard while out at sea.
biggest load of cow dung i have heard. if this is the case , why havnt there been as many attacks in the past as the sheep ships have been running out from freo as long as i can remember.
sounds like someone is on a high and its not adrenalin
I definately wouldn't write this spin off so quickly. I have no doubt that the pens are cleared of dead or dying ships each day, with sharks easily able to keep up with a slow moving live export vessel. In addition to the large amounts of urine that must continuously be flushed overboard would definately keep the sharks interested. Not as dumb an idea as you may think. All things must be considered regarding the impact they have on this shark situation.
But they need to take action instead of theorizing about the whole thing !
It's yet ANOTHER reason to satellite tag.
If they started tagging way back when it was already obvious they had a shark problem they could just pull up the shark data and check it against the ship track & port log.
Then they'd already have an answer rather than all this guesswork. moronic govt think-tanks, and media hype. .....
Give the kiwis a break. Their scientists have made discoveries of new uses for sheep. Apparently they recently discovered that sheep can be used for meat and wool!
It's an interesting story. Although it is easy to write off greeny nutbags (often for good reason!), it's not completely unbelievable if the circumstances are correct. In the Brazilian coastal city of Recife they saw a large increase in the number of shark attacks in the 90's. Although a major factor was a new port built close by, it was also discovered some abbatoirs were leaking blood and offal into the local creeks which may have contributed to the sharp increase in attacks. Note that the sharks in Recife were mostly bull sharks though.
Sharp increases in activity (like the unprecidented number of attacks we've had in the last year) cant be attributed to population increase (if the rate increased 5 fold over 12 months, then you cant expect the number of sharks to increase 5 fold in 12 months can you). So it seems like there is something that has changed shark behaviours recently. The question is what? Is it current/el nino related, or could it be something else?
The sheep overboard thing may have some merit, but then a lot of me thinks that maybe greeny groups are just using sharks as a justification to put pressure on live sheep exports....
For the claims to be true (that the live sheep trade is contributing), it means that the number of sheep chucked overboard had to increase a lot in the last 12 months. If this has been happening for years, then why suddenly in the last 12 months has the number of attacks sharply risen?
Was there a change in the amount of sheep thrown overboard recently?
Whilst I haven't much doubt about sharks being able to follow these boats for an easy meal , how the hell can that tie in with people getting munched close to shore all along the WA coast.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the putting pressure on live sheep exports, the Humane Society were actively involved in petitioning etc to stop Live Exports when it was in the media prior to the shark attacks.
I would imagine if dumping of dead sheep has been going on recently then it has been going on for some time so doubt it is a significant factor in recent attacks.
Blaming rec fishers - here in SA since last summer we now have new regulations banning shark fishing (by banning any wire trace or hook with a gape larger than 18mm) between 6am and 9pm as shark fishers were blamed of attracting sharks to shore after a few large bronzies were brought ashore and then released off metro beaches. Any person with a bit of knowledge knew the sharks are there anyway following baitfish and rays through the shallows over summer and have been for years. New rules are a bit draconian and means you can't fish for snapper or mulloway which are sometimes caught of the jetties during rough weather.
Remember, all it matters to the government is that it appears that they are doing something. Most of the rules re airflight are more to make the voting public feel safe. It doesnt matter whether the systems are effective at stopping whatever it is, as long as to the lay person (probably idiots who know nothing about the problem or the effectiveness of the solution), the gubmint is doing something about this damn problem! (whichever one it is. If it kills over 15 people per year, its less cause to panic apparently...).
if the wool price hadn't hit an all time low farmers would be keeping the sheep and not selling them for the live export market, it's simple science, less sheep for export less deaths onboard ship less sharks of the coast
As a farmer who fishes i have never heard so much bullshit, Surely anyone who has lost a burley pot will know it drags the fish away, hence boats leaving port will drag sharks away from the coast and why would a shark follow an empty boat back in.
Me thinks they have been sniffing the sheep's farts and its starting to have an effect with it going straight to their heads.
The livestock ships travel at something like twenty knots, have to be a bloody good shark to swim at that speed 24 hour a day to keep up and at whatever is thrown over.
After my initial shock at the forum topic I was glad that everyone could see the hidden agenda.
Livestock have been exported from freo for decades with no increase of shark incidents, and with export conditions constantly improving less sheep are lost.
Just hope that the freakn hippies stop clouding the issue so we can move forward and come up with a solution to the shark problem
How long have live sheep exports being happening out of Fremantle??? As long as I can remember. (And I've been on the water around Fremantle since 1973). When did we start to see an increase in shark attacks??? about the year 2000, with a big increase in the last twelve months. my uneducated brain tells me the shark attacks occur at the same time whales are swimming along our coast, i see sharks feasting on dead whales (not dead sheep - haven't actually seen a dead sheep in the water), logic tells me more whales, more sharks, more attacks. my solution to not being eaten by a shark, stay out of the f..king water because sharks haven't learnt to walk on land (yet).
Got it in one Randall. Was listening to the radio yesterday and the amount of gullible people that buy into this crap is amazing. I reckon with any overboard sheep a shark would probably hav a sniff and a bite and swim off like the do with most human attacks. I wouldn't have thought sheep shit would be the best burley.
Was listening to this dim witted girl on radio the other day and she had no response when they brought on a shark expert who tore her down.. For a start they normally only start loosing sheep in the gulf of Arman Red sea I think he said where the soaring temps and tropical wheather change takes it toll on the sheep.. not too many flyblown sick sheep dumped overboard in freo I would think unlike what the tree hugging hippies would make you believe
I've been on a live sheep export sheep run by Wellards (forget the ships name). Decks were well ventilated, automatic feed and water distribution and loosely stocked pens (no more then 2/3 full). In the companies best interests to keep them alive as they own them to they sell at the other end. I asked about death rates and he said the previous year was 0.02%. They do have a mincer on board but never use it as its a bitch to clean - instead they slit the guts and chuck overboard (well out at sea as there are rules governing this). I hardly think a 0.02% fatality rate is going to contribute to shark attacks though.
Certainly correct that they dont want the sheep dying. Or at least a good operator doesnt. However, there may be new operators, or changes to processes for existing ones in the last say 12 months that may have affected it, perhaps?. If one company does things well, unfortunately it doesnt guarantee others will. So that 0.02% might only apply to a decent operator? Its a small number, but for millions of sheep, thats hundreds overboard (but realisticly as mentioned, most of these will be a lot closer to the destination). If they are dumping them well out to sea, then as you said, its hard to see how it would have an effect. Are dodgy operators doing something different?
The report (not made available as far as i'm aware) would need to explain something different happening in the last 12 months or so. In the previous 10 years, it doesnt seem to have much of an effect (and sheep havent only been going out the last 12 months), hence there would have to be a change in something. It's probably a load of bull, but perhaps worth looking at fairly and scientifically just in case?
hey guys, watching a doco on fox recently about a rare spike in shark attacks in a tourist beach in egypt(i think), they investigated the possibility of the livestock ships dumping stock into the ocean. however they quickly ruled it out as they have always been there before the attacks occured.
basically it came down to the increase in the water temp, increasing the metaboic rate of sharks. resulting in the incease need for food. so the sharks are coming closer in to search for food near fish rich areas.( could well be the reason in perth i think). not to mention the incease in the number of sharks since the ban, simple maths.
however the main reason over there was tourist feeding bread to smaller fish( in huge numbers) sending out vibes for the hungry sharks. secondly people have been hand feeding sharks ( which they werent allowed to) while scuba diving. hence the sharks associated humans with food and bit the arms off the swimmers.
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The humane society must have
The humane society must have access to some awesome drugs thats all i can say
The worrying thing is that our tax payer dollars are probably funding them
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sea-kem
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That would have to be the
That would have to be the biggest load of codswallop I've ever heard. Thousands of sheep hey! makes the business of live export almost unviable if they are throwing half their cargo overboard.Where do they dig this shit up from? They must be pretty sick sheep if they are getting rid of them so early in the journey. All this is about is trying to get the live sheep export business banned nothing to do with sharks. Shame on you activists for using such an emotional issue to further your cause. Self righteous aresoles.
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what ever they are on give
what ever they are on give some to me
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next thing they will be
next thing they will be blaming the rec fisho for throwing the ofal overboard while out at sea.
biggest load of cow dung i have heard. if this is the case , why havnt there been as many attacks in the past as the sheep ships have been running out from freo as long as i can remember.
sounds like someone is on a high and its not adrenalin
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Versus
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"either whole or minced"
"either whole or minced" haha. better mince the dead sheep b4 we turf em. wouldnt want sharks to hurts their teeth
soupster51
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An element of truth
I definately wouldn't write this spin off so quickly. I have no doubt that the pens are cleared of dead or dying ships each day, with sharks easily able to keep up with a slow moving live export vessel. In addition to the large amounts of urine that must continuously be flushed overboard would definately keep the sharks interested. Not as dumb an idea as you may think. All things must be considered regarding the impact they have on this shark situation.
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Dizzy
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But they need to take action
But they need to take action instead of theorizing about the whole thing !
It's yet ANOTHER reason to satellite tag.
If they started tagging way back when it was already obvious they had a shark problem they could just pull up the shark data and check it against the ship track & port log.
Then they'd already have an answer rather than all this guesswork. moronic govt think-tanks, and media hype. .....
AlwaysFishin
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There really are some
There really are some fuckwits around. Nothing better to do than smoke cones and trip out over their own imagination. Get a real job ya homos.
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I've got a feeling the humane
I've got a feeling the humane society are based in NZ.
Baaaaaut I could be wrong!!
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Give the kiwis a break. Their
Give the kiwis a break. Their scientists have made discoveries of new uses for sheep. Apparently they recently discovered that sheep can be used for meat and wool!
Haha.
hlokk
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It's an interesting
It's an interesting story. Although it is easy to write off greeny nutbags (often for good reason!), it's not completely unbelievable if the circumstances are correct. In the Brazilian coastal city of Recife they saw a large increase in the number of shark attacks in the 90's. Although a major factor was a new port built close by, it was also discovered some abbatoirs were leaking blood and offal into the local creeks which may have contributed to the sharp increase in attacks. Note that the sharks in Recife were mostly bull sharks though.
Sharp increases in activity (like the unprecidented number of attacks we've had in the last year) cant be attributed to population increase (if the rate increased 5 fold over 12 months, then you cant expect the number of sharks to increase 5 fold in 12 months can you). So it seems like there is something that has changed shark behaviours recently. The question is what? Is it current/el nino related, or could it be something else?
The sheep overboard thing may have some merit, but then a lot of me thinks that maybe greeny groups are just using sharks as a justification to put pressure on live sheep exports....
For the claims to be true (that the live sheep trade is contributing), it means that the number of sheep chucked overboard had to increase a lot in the last 12 months. If this has been happening for years, then why suddenly in the last 12 months has the number of attacks sharply risen?
Was there a change in the amount of sheep thrown overboard recently?
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Whilst I haven't much doubt
Whilst I haven't much doubt about sharks being able to follow these boats for an easy meal , how the hell can that tie in with people getting munched close to shore all along the WA coast.
There's an agenda here.
These people need a slap upside the head!
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
Paul H
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Hlokk,I think you hit the
Hlokk,
I think you hit the nail on the head with the putting pressure on live sheep exports, the Humane Society were actively involved in petitioning etc to stop Live Exports when it was in the media prior to the shark attacks.
I would imagine if dumping of dead sheep has been going on recently then it has been going on for some time so doubt it is a significant factor in recent attacks.
Blaming rec fishers - here in SA since last summer we now have new regulations banning shark fishing (by banning any wire trace or hook with a gape larger than 18mm) between 6am and 9pm as shark fishers were blamed of attracting sharks to shore after a few large bronzies were brought ashore and then released off metro beaches. Any person with a bit of knowledge knew the sharks are there anyway following baitfish and rays through the shallows over summer and have been for years. New rules are a bit draconian and means you can't fish for snapper or mulloway which are sometimes caught of the jetties during rough weather.
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Remember, all it matters to
Remember, all it matters to the government is that it appears that they are doing something. Most of the rules re airflight are more to make the voting public feel safe. It doesnt matter whether the systems are effective at stopping whatever it is, as long as to the lay person (probably idiots who know nothing about the problem or the effectiveness of the solution), the gubmint is doing something about this damn problem! (whichever one it is. If it kills over 15 people per year, its less cause to panic apparently...).
meglodon
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blame the farmers
if the wool price hadn't hit an all time low farmers would be keeping the sheep and not selling them for the live export market, it's simple science, less sheep for export less deaths onboard ship less sharks of the coast
Julz
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What a load of Crap, As a
What a load of Crap,
As a farmer who fishes i have never heard so much bullshit, Surely anyone who has lost a burley pot will know it drags the fish away, hence boats leaving port will drag sharks away from the coast and why would a shark follow an empty boat back in.
carnarvonite
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Sniffing
Me thinks they have been sniffing the sheep's farts and its starting to have an effect with it going straight to their heads.
The livestock ships travel at something like twenty knots, have to be a bloody good shark to swim at that speed 24 hour a day to keep up and at whatever is thrown over.
Julz
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After my initial shock at the
After my initial shock at the forum topic I was glad that everyone could see the hidden agenda.
Livestock have been exported from freo for decades with no increase of shark incidents, and with export conditions constantly improving less sheep are lost.
Just hope that the freakn hippies stop clouding the issue so we can move forward and come up with a solution to the shark problem
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CRAP
How long have live sheep exports being happening out of Fremantle??? As long as I can remember. (And I've been on the water around Fremantle since 1973). When did we start to see an increase in shark attacks??? about the year 2000, with a big increase in the last twelve months. my uneducated brain tells me the shark attacks occur at the same time whales are swimming along our coast, i see sharks feasting on dead whales (not dead sheep - haven't actually seen a dead sheep in the water), logic tells me more whales, more sharks, more attacks. my solution to not being eaten by a shark, stay out of the f..king water because sharks haven't learnt to walk on land (yet).
Fish! HARD!
sea-kem
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Got it in one Randall. Was
Got it in one Randall. Was listening to the radio yesterday and the amount of gullible people that buy into this crap is amazing. I reckon with any overboard sheep a shark would probably hav a sniff and a bite and swim off like the do with most human attacks. I wouldn't have thought sheep shit would be the best burley.
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till
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I seem to recall a couple of
I seem to recall a couple of PGFC guys casting to dollies off a bloated sheep carcass floating off Rotto somewhere, no sharks though!
rails8291
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Sheep
Haha funny s#*t, what a joke,
I don't own a boat and wouldnt know but how many of you boaties have passed a sheep out in the water? Wouldn't think it would be many.
cudbfishn
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Oh but they get eaten by all
Oh but they get eaten by all the sharks. Lol
chookc
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Was listening to this dim
Was listening to this dim witted girl on radio the other day and she had no response when they brought on a shark expert who tore her down.. For a start they normally only start loosing sheep in the gulf of Arman Red sea I think he said where the soaring temps and tropical wheather change takes it toll on the sheep.. not too many flyblown sick sheep dumped overboard in freo I would think unlike what the tree hugging hippies would make you believe
cryline
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I've been on a live sheep
I've been on a live sheep export sheep run by Wellards (forget the ships name). Decks were well ventilated, automatic feed and water distribution and loosely stocked pens (no more then 2/3 full). In the companies best interests to keep them alive as they own them to they sell at the other end. I asked about death rates and he said the previous year was 0.02%. They do have a mincer on board but never use it as its a bitch to clean - instead they slit the guts and chuck overboard (well out at sea as there are rules governing this). I hardly think a 0.02% fatality rate is going to contribute to shark attacks though.
hlokk
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Certainly correct that they
Certainly correct that they dont want the sheep dying. Or at least a good operator doesnt. However, there may be new operators, or changes to processes for existing ones in the last say 12 months that may have affected it, perhaps?. If one company does things well, unfortunately it doesnt guarantee others will. So that 0.02% might only apply to a decent operator? Its a small number, but for millions of sheep, thats hundreds overboard (but realisticly as mentioned, most of these will be a lot closer to the destination). If they are dumping them well out to sea, then as you said, its hard to see how it would have an effect. Are dodgy operators doing something different?
The report (not made available as far as i'm aware) would need to explain something different happening in the last 12 months or so. In the previous 10 years, it doesnt seem to have much of an effect (and sheep havent only been going out the last 12 months), hence there would have to be a change in something. It's probably a load of bull, but perhaps worth looking at fairly and scientifically just in case?
Theres a better transcript here: http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2012/s3548067.htm
fisharoo
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hey guys, watching a doco on
hey guys, watching a doco on fox recently about a rare spike in shark attacks in a tourist beach in egypt(i think), they investigated the possibility of the livestock ships dumping stock into the ocean. however they quickly ruled it out as they have always been there before the attacks occured.
basically it came down to the increase in the water temp, increasing the metaboic rate of sharks. resulting in the incease need for food. so the sharks are coming closer in to search for food near fish rich areas.( could well be the reason in perth i think). not to mention the incease in the number of sharks since the ban, simple maths.
however the main reason over there was tourist feeding bread to smaller fish( in huge numbers) sending out vibes for the hungry sharks. secondly people have been hand feeding sharks ( which they werent allowed to) while scuba diving. hence the sharks associated humans with food and bit the arms off the swimmers.
my 2 bits of info after watching hours of telly.
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Arrhhhhh! Climate change and
Arrhhhhh! Climate change and global warming to blame, not live sheep exports.... The wrong group are complaining! lol
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beachkid
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tropical Arman desert?
Is that a mirage?