Shimano Trinidad vs. Daiwa Saltiga
I'm still looking for an overhead outfit for bottom fishing and jigging. I'm thinking I might go up a notch from what I was previously looking at and now I'm considering the Trinidad and Saltiga (overhead).
I've heard some problems about the anti reverse on the trinidad can anyone confirm this? I also heard that the saltiga has a better and a higher max drag than the trinidad, is this so?
Which one is the lighter reel as this is a major factor when I look at overhead outfits.
I haven't heard anything bad about the Saltiga which is why I'm leaning towards it a bit more over the trinidad.
The models I'm looking at will be the Trinidad 16 or the Saltiga 20 or 30 loaded with 50lb braid. Oh I also heard that the Saltiga 30 doesn't have a clicker, does this mean it doesn't make the noise when drag is pulled.
Thanks for your oppinions.
PS. Would it be worth the extra $100 for the Z model or the 30T, and what is the differences?
Nealez
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Go the saltiga!! it has not
Go the saltiga!!
it has not got a ratchet so no, no noise when line is pulled some of the ealier models did have one i am told, shimano has the longer warrenty, the trinidad 16n weighs 560g's and the saltiga 30- 475g's. the saltiga has a better peforming drag out of the box IMO
6.2 ratio for the trinidad 16N 560g
5.4 ratio for the saltiga 30/standard /475g
4.9 saltiga-T/ tough/670g
5.4 S20-Z/ sealed/ 440g
and yes spend the extra on the saltiga-Z for the sealed gearbox
and the Z model has the tougher drag
hope this helps mate
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jay_burgess
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Thanks for the info I'm
Thanks for the info I'm thinking I might get the standard Saltiga 30 because the T model is quite a bit heavier and the Z-20 might be a bit small. I'll wait for some more comments.
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Kasey L.
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Hi Jay, Not many jiggers use
Hi Jay,
Not many jiggers use the Trinidad, so I can't comment about the bearings. I think this might help you.
http://www.tackletour.com/reviewshootouttrinidad-saltiga.html
and I am inclined to say I agree with them; don't forget the Saltiga is newer (release), so has newer technologies built into it. The gear ratio is also alot more 'heavy sinker friendly'.
Thus, although I am sided with Shimano, I will advice you to pursue the Saltiga. Although I am sure you might find both very adequate. And the 30 size should be more suitable.
Just out of interest, you might like to be aware of Shimano's Ocea Jigger 4000P, which was my answer to the similar dillema (i'm still on this side of the fence ;)). However, you run the risk of having very little after-sales support; ie. no warranty, probably no spare parts, etc if you order from East Asia or Japan.
A saltiga 30 will be a good choice; there are few reels that match it, locally or overseas, and as for reels that will better it, that is open to debate. Good luck, I hope you take my advice as just friendly words that only reflect my opinion.
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"Good luck, I hope you take
"Good luck, I hope you take my advice as just friendly words that only reflect my opinion."
Always do Kasey ;)
I was aware of the Ocea Jigger but I think I'll stick to what's on the Australian market since warranty and after sales support is vitaly important IMO.
I haven't heard of a single person who prefers the Trinidad over the Saltiga (I've been scouring other forums), and many people who own trinidads have stated they would prefer the Saltiga.
I'm pretty convinced that I'll get the saltiga at this stage unless someone can convince me otherwise.
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If you're gonna spend that
If you're gonna spend that kind of money I suggest to look at the Torsa 20 or 16's even. They are almost indestructible atm. Dual anti-reverse system and been lever drag its even easier to set your drag. Havent heard any problems with them yet and a few guys have used and have tonnes of praises on them.
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Thanks Honsu, Daiwa Saltiga
Thanks Honsu,
Daiwa Saltiga 30 - $549
Shimano Torsa 20 - $799
As much as I would love to get the torsa, I think I'd be more than happy with the saltiga. The extra $250 would pay for my rod.
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Saltiga
I still think the Saltiga(O/H) over the torsa or Trinadad ,, if it's a spinner , I would go the STELLA over the SAltiga , or get the baby Saltist 40 , I did and very happy with it , if you want some more drag , put in some carbontex washers , but I run 50 lb braid and 11 plus kilo's drag and it doesn't make my fight any longer than the others , sometimes it comes down to fishing technique pump up with the rod wind in when dropping the rod tip , EASY ,..
You could also put you thumb on the spool to increase the drag to stop the fish taking you to the reef.
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Thanks to everyone who
Thanks to everyone who helped me out on this thread.
I just noticed this on Bluewater Tackle, Daiwa Saltiga Surf 30.
As far as I'm aware it's pretty similar to the Saltiga 30, same number of bearings, 2CRBB, 4BB, 1RB, roughly the same weight. $50 cheaper price tag.
Could anyone explain the differences? why have Daiwa brought this new model onto the market? I hate when they do this! makes my decision harder just when I thought I'd made up my mind!
The striking red colours are absosulutely awesome! but then again I think the the blue on the standard model are awesome too.
Surf? Does this mean it's for beach/surf fishing?
It is $50 cheaper but I don't want that to cloud my judgement since I have no problem paying the extra dollars for the standard saltiga model.
HELP please, I'm in a bit of a debacle!
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Kasey L.
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Was out today and got to use
Was out today and got to use some overheads..
Initially I was going to buy a Jigger, but now I'm skeptical..
Star drags and bottom fishing? It was a pain in the arse compared to lever drag... i don't know how you do it mav, but i really wasn't used to it.
I'm seriously considering the Accurate Boss 665N now, AWESOME crankin power, it was modified a bit though..
Just my experience from today, thats all ;) Lever drags + bottom fishing = alot easier to let line out.
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What's wrong with a star
What's wrong with a star drag for bottom fishing? Couldn't be any different from using a spinner I would think? I really only need a lever drag for trolling when a strike setting is needed.
Still need help with my question.
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Personally I reckon there's
Personally I reckon there's no difference for bottom bashing. With lever drag you still need to push it down to freespool and back up to strike. Its likewise with star drags.
Saltiga SURF overhead has casting brakes......Saltiga "regular" dont.....thats it.
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Thanks Honsu, do you know
Thanks Honsu, do you know what the button on the side is for (as seen in the pic)?
Still not sure which one I'll get, guess I'll see when the time comes.
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" jay, having read the link
" jay, having read the link from kasey earlier, i would go the saltiga... seems better for money over the trinidad.... but i still like my torsa... though i havent tried it out yet..." 'm going to get the saltiga over the trinidad. I don't think there is any doubt that it's the better reel. That review was great.
Congrats on the torsa, I'm sure it's a fantastic reel and I can assure you if I could afford it, I'd be getting one.
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personally i rekon for
personally i rekon for fishing when you aren't gonna change the drag setting that much (ie jigging, when you wack it on full and leave it) then a star drag is easier then a lever drag. If you are going to wanna adjust the drag very regularly (ie using the ree like a baitfeeder) then i rekon a lever drag is easier. just my personal opinion. :)
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"personally i rekon for
"personally i rekon for fishing when you aren't gonna change the drag setting that much (ie jigging, when you wack it on full and leave it) then a star drag is easier then a lever drag. If you are going to wanna adjust the drag very regularly (ie using the ree like a baitfeeder) then i rekon a lever drag is easier. just my personal opinion. :)"
Hence the reason I was looking at the Saltiga and Trinidad ;)
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yeah, i was just saying,
yeah, i was just saying, cause kc was saying that lever drag is better ... ;)
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Hmm... perhaps I was a bit
Hmm... perhaps I was a bit hasty..
I guess I just wasn't used to it, I liked having to be able to back off the drag using a lever to that 'balance point' where its not freespool, but it still has some drag, so that line automatically comes out when there's enough tension.
Obviously I just wasn't used to it. Sorry ;) A bit hasty in what I was saying, a bit more experience with a star drag for bottom bouncing should see me get hold of it. I'll take it back now =D =D
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Button
If the button is the same as my Saltist it's for the ratchet .
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either way all the above
either way all the above mentioned reels are worth their price....if you're not casting a heck of alot, just stick with the regular Saltigas knowing that they tried and proven product. Even the lesser Saltists are in the same league.
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jay, the saltiga surf has
jay, the saltiga surf has the same ratio as the z30, one less bearing, weighs 545g's (z30-445g's) it has a ratchet and a cenriflex anti backlash control for casting.
Accurate reels are as stated above awsome but a bit pricy
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