sambo jigging today
Submitted by jay_bartell on Sat, 2010-12-11 17:14
headed out to day for a jigg of the back of rotto we tried the norht , south ,middle barges nothing there was four charters around us and not one of the costomers were hooked up, we then headed to the hillaries container first drop got smoked, went around to have another drift and came around about 6 bronzies swimming around on the surface was awsome.
i will try and post the video footage oof the group of bronzies
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Aaron Santos
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Unlucky with the jigging
Unlucky with the jigging mate.
How big were the bronzies?
Still trying to catch fish!
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till
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I heard those muppets from
I heard those muppets from mills lost 60 to sharks today.
MattMiller
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So much
for their new crew/techniques and desire to put people onto fish not emptying their pockets through lost jigs.
Lamby
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R u serial Jamie?!?!
R u serial Jamie?!?!
till
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Someone mentioned to me they
Someone mentioned to me they heard it on the radio today.
ADDICT- dUFFMAN
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mate
i went down to see all the boats come in today at hillarys
and mills told me
they only hooked up with 2 sambos all day.
winner winner chicken dinner
motty
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hey addict, was that you on
hey addict, was that you on the treadly I saw?
ADDICT- dUFFMAN
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yeh man
that was me on my sisters purple bike - i live soo close so i come and check it out every now and then
winner winner chicken dinner
motty
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ummm, wrong again till ya
ummm, wrong again till ya tosser! we had 2 hookups all day, we were at the barges. got a stripey and a skippy.
till
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Maybe everything you hear at
Maybe everything you hear at the ramp isn't true, but it did seem awfully believable.
Surprised you're still here, spruiking for Mills.
Lamby
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tosser!? ease up princess, he
tosser!? ease up princess, he gave the source and has been proven otherwise the only pocket boxer here is you turbo
motty
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ohhh, ouch, pocket boxer,
ohhh, ouch, pocket boxer, that hurts lambykins! just shits me that everyone keeps on putting down mills! the funny thing is that we ARE the most successful charter company in Perth, and the only people that seem to not like mills are all on this forum, guess that speaks for itself i suppose!
Adam Gallash
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.Well
Can't say you ever hear any good reports on Mills and I can gaurantee you its not just this forum! I think you just said it yourself - 2 hookups for the day, wow I'd pay good money for that.
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till
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One of the charters is
One of the charters is telling people that they're just 50-70kg sambos and to keep fishing!
motty
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yep, like all the other
yep, like all the other charters have been killing it on the sambos! why dont we all agree that the sambo jigging is gone! I agree with scotto, it needs to be left alone for a few years, maybe the noahs would get the idea. i think it needs to be left for a few yrs, then open it for a year, then close for another few years and so on and so forth.
Lamby
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When the shoe fits cupcake!
When the shoe fits cupcake! Never put down Mills personally on any forum but don't need too, common knowledge amongst the fishing fraternity.
mightymouse
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I want to head out but not if
I want to head out but not if all the sharks are still around :( Just have to wait till next week and get some fish for the freezer.
jay_bartell
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the bronzies were easy 12ft
the bronzies were easy 12ft and more
tomas23
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also went out today , and we
also went out today , and we were sitting witha a blue juice charter and another 6m ally and nobody hooked up tryed about 3 spots , then me and mate said we would tryhook one of these sharks , what a big mistake , i put out a half 5kg tuna and a mantaray took it! it took us 1 hour of 4 blokes taking turns of winching this in on my pen inernational on full lock then the line snapped. we got to see it once but it emptyed my spool twice on full lock , then as soon as the line snapped my mates rod ran , and he smashed on hs TLD50 onto full lock and it striped about 150m then bit straight through 300lb trace so the sharks out there gotta be fuken big.
tomas23
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oh ya and this mantaray , was
oh ya and this mantaray , was about 2 metres in diameter if not more!
MattMiller
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Manta Ray ???
Don't they eat Plankton and Krill?
fishy fingers
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Yep
and they dont live down here either!
Auslobster
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Not entirely true!
Years ago while crayfishing out of Two Rocks we got one tangled up in a pot line at China Wall, doubtful it was "living down here" and more likely came down with the Leeuwin Current...it appeared that it's "horns" picked up the rope and it got wrapped up pretty badly. Managed to free it but didn't look like it was still alive...they need to keep swimming in order to breathe.
Despite having large mouths they ARE filter feeders with a relatively small gullet so something as large as half a 5kg tuna could possibly choke it to death.
honsu chin
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Manta Ray???
Sorry.....aren't they plankton feeders and are of more tropical species???
Like to see a pic of it if possible...
till
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Pete D got a bubba manta when
Pete D got a bubba manta when it swam past his line, it was quite a ride!
tomas23
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yea pretty sure it was a
yea pretty sure it was a manta from what i could make out , it deffinatly wasnt just an overside ray that was swimming 50 metres off the ocean floor in 100+ metres and happend to take a half tuna , and it wasnt a shark either , only pics i got was of my bend rod sorry
till
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Umm manta rays really are
Umm manta rays really are plankton feeders, perhaps it got tangled in your line, but it didn't eat half a tuna.
tomas23
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yea that could also be true
yea that could also be true
mattdoyle
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manta rays allso eat fish
manta rays allso eat fish and krill so very possible it was a manta ray
ledge64
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where is the Hillarys
where is the Hillarys container? and how deep is it?
DhuBoi
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or just a big arse ray i have
or just a big arse ray i have pulled in a HUGE ray easily over 100kg on a 200 lb handline n boy did they put up a fight for along time towed the boat around and everything.
living is fishing
scottnofish
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went out there sunday
bumped into till on the charter boat didnt see 1 sanbo hooked and jack shit schools on the sounder only hook up we had was a 3m bronzie that took a whole whiting , 1 hour later we had it boat side only for it to decide it liked the bottom better and of it went with me hanging on to marks saltig s extreme and dogfight for dear life , managed to get it probally half way back up when the hook straightened , I was only running 10 kg of drag on the salti and had trouble hanging onto the rod so god knows why you need more than 10 kg drag on any reel ther only way we could run more drag was to put the back brce on then clip it around the reel seat but as soon as we did that we pulled the hook , thats my first and last jig for the season ,the sambos are not in the numbers they were 2/3 years ago thats for certain
Faulkner Family
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sounds like it was a nice
sounds like it was a nice workout for you.with all these sharks out there i dont think i would have even tried. maybe all the sharks have thinned out all the sambos with so many stories about half eaten sambos coming up. it is a big worry about how this is going to affect the general fishing
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
till
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Al from Shikari found some
Al from Shikari found some good schools in a few other locations, and we hooked and landed a few fish, but the sharks turned up quick smart so we pushed on.
81macca
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Whats Als take on the sambo
Whats Als take on the sambo season? Has Perth lost the worlds best jigging?
I actually fish.
till
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Pretty much how he feels
Pretty much how he feels about it.
alfred
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Just to add a spoon - should
Just to add a spoon - should they push for local shark's, shark's fin soup now? We might just get the sambos back then.
scotto
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yes they should.
its so disapointing to see whats been happening here, but hardly surprising at all really.
all regular sambo jaunts are now fucked, and riddled with noahs, big and small. people seem to think that you can go to a spot, try for a fish, if you get sharked move on. this probably happens 10 - 15 times per day, at each spot, and results in tens to hundreds of killed sambos per day. heaps more on weekends. even when you think you are doing the right thing, YOU ARE NOT.
the thing to do is leave them alone completely. dont go out at all. i've said it before, and i'll say it again ; we have to do this, before fisheries do it for us. its that simple.
81macca
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All over!
Yep rekon its a no go zone Scotto. Would be disapointing to hear more reports of retards fishing the sambo ags. Its all over see what next year brings?
I actually fish.
scotto
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thanks for the reinforcement.
i went out once this year at the start of the season, and i got a few ambers. same for last year, at the start of the season and got a few sambos. as soon as a report comes in of sharks moving in, i dont even bother going out.
unfortunately, there are some people that don't give a shit about the future of the fishery/sport. even after numerous posts about how to protect this fishery, and trying to do the righty before fisheries take it off us, some people (mostly newbies, but some regulars) still went out on a frequent basis to target these breeding sambos.
if i was a lesser person, i would love to be naming a few names, although its obvious to most who these dipshits are. pretty clever of them to post up how many times they went sambo jiggin this year. almost as clever as telling everyone how many got sharked in the process.
it only takes a few fucktards, to spoil it for everyone.
dodgy
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I think alot of people would
I think alot of people would be chasing demersals if it wasn't for the ban. Just happens that some are so desperate for a stretching they will keep going back. Maybe the ban finishing will ease some pressure.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
scotto
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definately
agreed. either that, or people need to read up on the etiquette and techniques of propper game fishing, and start sorting these sharks out properly,
dodgy
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Haha. That was the other
Haha. That was the other thing I was going to say. Maybe we need to start inviting the east coast shark fisherman over to show these guys how to do it.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Mainey
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next week will be open season
Sambo's are not even good eating fish, so why would anyone want to target them unless it was to feed their own ego ?
Maîneÿ . . .MattMiller
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Ever heard
of Sportfishing???
Don't know too many people who eat Marlin or Sailfish but that's ok, isn't it???
dodgy
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Not sure how targeting a
Not sure how targeting a spawning aggregation and encouraging sharks fits in with an ethical sportfishing ethos but I'm sure you will let me know.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
MattMiller
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Settle down
i was commenting on targeting fish (Sambo's) that arn't good eating.
Don't worry I'm as disappointed in how this fishery has been exploited and mismanaged as the next person.
Lets just hope we havn't done irreputable damage to WA stocks of Sambo's as a whole.
uncle
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sports fishing
is that what its called, I must've got lost somewhere for a while
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
allrounder
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lol mate
Me too Uncle.I have to admit since i have had the kids i have less and less reels with mono on them.Still have a full set for comps though.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
dodgy
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Mackerel Islands dates are
Mackerel Islands dates are decided if you want to give that real Sportsfishing gear a good workout Allrounder.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
allrounder
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I will see how i go
Was going to see if Princey needed a hand.I am fishing up that way in 2012 for my favourite trip again.Did it this year got US next year then fish the week before gamex the year after.The Mackie comp is still my fav comp though.May do it in 2013
Did Gamex and the mackies for that many years it was crazy.It seems to have taken a backseat until my kids are old enough to handle themselves on the boat then i will go again.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
PattyT
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Yeh it seems the sharks are a
Yeh it seems the sharks are a massive problem... I booked last year for early Jan and got cancelled a week before our trip because of the noahs. Looks like the sharks are getting alot worse. I also remember watching season 1 of ifish and seeing them hauling in sambo after sambo and not seeing one shark (id say that would have been about 7years ago). Maybe they really need to close off the season for a while.. no point wasting all those great fish to sharkies.
Oracle
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i think you should all take up scuba. when the ban is on and the
sharks are in town, go and look at the amazing world under the boat. Outstanding stuff! I did buy a shark shield though
Aaron Santos
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Just throwing a spanner in
Just throwing a spanner in the works, But could there be a chance that maybe the water temps or currents has not helped this years sambo agregs off rotto. Maybe the the water temp is up 1 or 2 degrees which the sharks like and the sambos arnt to fond of, Altho there a still a few out there (sambos) they just are not hungry which could be another sign that something is not quite right for them (hence seeing the smaller schools and nothing attacking our jigs). could be another huge aggreg site somewhere out there that hasnt been found yet that 10000s of tonnes of sambos are doing there thing in an environment they prefer. In my opion I dont believe we will over fish sambos by fishing for them when they are spawning off rotto. I also dont believe in fishing for them when they are just getting smashed by sharks. its not sports fishing to loose gear after gear. its sport fishing to bring the fish in, a quick happy snap and release it successfully.
If you like a good read check this site out, its a report on samson fish with the emphisis on sportsfishing in WA. it could answer a few questions and also stop a few arguements.
http://researchrepository.murdoch.edu.au/1686/2/02Whole.pdf
enjoy..
Still trying to catch fish!
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allrounder
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I think Uncle and Dodgy are hinting
That 80 plus pound braid locked down on 20000 size reels to catch a 25 to 30 kilo sambo is not sportsfishing.Trying to land a 35 kg mackie on 3 kilo mono is SPORTFISHING.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
Markie
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yeh allrounder as good as it
yeh allrounder as good as it sounds there is no pt sambo jigging with 3 kilo mono your line wil go PINg in seconds. wasting gear and time.
scotto
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yeah, cos u the man that knows it all....
and giving the sharks the hundred+ free feeds of your tethered sambos this year wasnt a waste of time was it hoookt?
oh, but at least you get your swivel and half your leader back hey. that makes it ok then.
Markie
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you idiot
haha i lost very few this year mate, and you are such a tosser writing everyone off like your some god (who knows all).. and many would agreee. adam sorry had to be said. ya strong behind that keyboard arent ya scotto
Markie
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Also in response tot he 3 kg
Also in response tot he 3 kg mono ..it could be done of course but most times when they are right on the bottom you are most likely to lose fish and gear. i dont need another smart ass comment either scotto.
scotto
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smart ass comment
too late dipshit, i dont need to add a smart ass comment, you're doing my work for me.
i dont need to show everyone how much of a flogger you are. your lack of experience, common sense, skill, ability to listen, and respect, mixed in with your abundance of stupidity, retardedness, and just generally flaunting how much of a limp wristed, loud mouthed amateur you actually are, is doing all the talking i needed to do. i dont need to plug the fact, that you have no idea, your posts are doing a fine effort on my behalf.
you think if you catch a sambo you're the king? fuck me, my 6 year old neice has caught more sambos than you've had hot dinners. get back in line.
you think i'm only strong behind my keyboard? try me.
Markie
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hahaha ya right i barely have
hahaha ya right i barely have been fishing for long. who said i know everything you obviously cant take shit, ya can only give it. haha and (try me) yeh no worries mate ;) pretty long comment there scotto must of hurt ya tad abusive.. MWAHH
allrounder
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I think the point that the others are trying to get across is
That fishing for sambos with anchor rope is not sportfishing
As soon as you put braid on the sport goes from the fishing if you get the drift.I fish most of the time now with braid and full on gear but still enjoy the odd comp from time to time.Most of you younger guys may have never fished mono and may never try it.
Anyone that can stand up and reel for ten minutes can catch a sambo.You dont even need to work hard to find them.The sad part is that the ones that worked so hard to build and nurture the fishery are the ones that are going to suffer the most.It will be a sad day when Al gets told he cant run charters out there anymore because a few tossers stuffed it up.I can stand toe to toe with the guy and shake his hand in condolences and look him straight in the eye and say i did the best i could for the fishery.IT IS AS SIMPLE AS SHARKS IN ANGLERS OUT.As it has been stated before i just hope they dont move in and start a whole new set of problems.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
till
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sambo jigging is heavy tackle fishing for a reason.
The reason you fish sambos heavy is so that the fish can be released before they're spent. Thank god not everyone goes around trying to flog fish within an inch of their lives before letting them go. Worse even, go bagging people because they don't like their idea of fishing.
allrounder
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Not bagging anyones idea of fishing at all
.Most of the people out there from the start would not like what it has become but i maybe mistaken of course.What you need to remember Till is that everything you can google has been done well before i was out there and that was well before you got a run out there.
Was i there when it started?No..Have i done my share of jigging sambos ?Hell yeh...Will go out there again?Not if it means killing fish for no reason.If i was bagging someone you would know it because i am a lot like Scotto and have no dramas in getting straight to the point.(if you get my drift
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
dodgy
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WA record for a Sambo on 3kg
WA record for a Sambo on 3kg is 26.6kg. Someone was obviously up for the challenge.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
Lamby
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hoookt = *facepalm*
hoookt = *facepalm*
Markie
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keep talkin. im not here to
keep talkin. im not here to listen to idiots. here to read/learn about fishin.
Lamby
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delete post
bug in the system here, keep getting double posts in the wrong spot
till
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Funny you mention it, buts
Funny you mention it, buts just as good a way to feed the sharks as the sambos are at present. Macks are completely rooted after a good run and at least a sambo is smart enough to try and reef you.
dodgy
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I agree till. Just saying its
I agree till. Just saying its not impossible to catch them on light gear. Pretty sure the PGFC guys have reset a couple of WA records this year actually.
Funnily enough its the Macks that seem to get sharked all the time for me. My theory is that Sharks are used to Macks showing off and zipping around in front of them and as soon as they are hooked the shark is ready to take advantage of the reversal in fortune.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
till
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I remember Rhyss got a good
I remember Rhyss got a good Sambo last year on light gear, and they kept it because it couldn't be revivied, it wasn't even the biggest of the batch the story went but it was a new record.
Thats pretty much what I meant, you can catch macks on 3kg, just you're going to feed a lot to the sharks in the process too.
I don't think either is a more valid type of sports fishing if its leading to sharking.
dodgy
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So he wasnt targeting them on
So he wasnt targeting them on 8?
Can only think of around 5 fish I have lost to sharks this year. Last was a cod on PE 6. Remember I live in the North where they are supposed to be more prevalent.
The wife did have a bad day on the 2kg one day though. Lost a couple of Queenies before we got the hang of getting them well clear of the area.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
till
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I think Rhyss' were on 8kg
I think Rhyss' were on 8kg from memory, but then that was last season ;)
Aaron Santos
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The point i was trying to get
The point i was trying to get to wasnt all about sports fishing. We all know what is happening out there( sharks sharks and more sharks) this year so why not try and look into why this is happening instead of keep on heading out there with the same outcome hoping its only going to get better. In the report i mentioned early is says in there that the mean water temp during the aggregs is 19.5 degrees. Im not sure how accurate my Lowrance HDS sounder is but it say the water temp is around the 21 degrees mark.This is 1 of the reason why they might not be here this year , but they prob are some where else or just out deep in the cooler waters and also why the sambos that are here are not aggresive and not feeding.
The point about sports fishing i was getting to was not how we catch them or what gear we use, but more to the point of how much effects rec fishermen/fisherwomen have on the numbers of Sambos out there. I believe we dont even put a small dent in them while fishing for them during there spawn time, due to there mortality rates after we release them. There are millions of them out there. In saying this we still need to look after them and release them as soon as we can.
Its just not a good year for sambos, and there must be reason why.
Water temps and currents effect the salmon when they do there anual run. It could be possible thats what has happened with the sambos this year...
Still trying to catch fish!
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81macca
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Rekon ya might be onto
Rekon ya might be onto something there Aaron. Surely there are sambo ags elsewhere, and yeah the water temp is that little bit higher this year. Maybe perth angler will get some REAL sport fishing with a few marlin and big tuna at the trench this year.
I actually fish.
thesupervisor
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whats peoples thoughts on the
whats peoples thoughts on the sharks coming to the demersal party in the coming months
if the sharks are smart enought to follow boats from barge to barge, i think they may eat more than
one or 2 dhu and snapper this season and mabe a diver
getting the bottom line final answer from a bunch of blokes that use false names and put smiley faces at the end of paragraphs is not the best place in the world to get the information you seek.
allrounder
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It is possable
even more reason to stop feeding them.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
mallesh
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Thanks Aaron for the case study
Hello people, please read the case study from Aaron.
I know its very long but worth a read, its really amaizing .
This case study will give you an answer for all your questions and the future for sambo jigging.
Cheers!!
Keep Fishing. Stay Relaxed.
saltwater charters
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I couldnt agree more with
I couldnt agree more with Aaron about water temp and sharks/ sambos. So true out there seems too warm and I bet the Sambos stopped at Bunbury[majority] and only a part of the total biomass came this far. Seems weird that you get them past Gero schooling but different times of year. I caught 5 sbf/ tuna yesterday and this year we didn't see them till Feb[3 months early?]. Water temp plays a big part with prawns up off Darwin and you wouldn't see a mark of prawns till the water temp went past 27c. I reckon leave them alone this year and don't feed sharks and see what happens next year?If you don't feed them long enough they will have to move for food. Then you could do the odd one evry few weeks and sneak in.!
A good days fishing is better than ...........anything!
Markie
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demersal fishin time now :)
demersal fishin time now :)