Peak hour at 2 Rocks Sat 11/2/12
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Adam Gallash
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oh my
Oh my god, if I ever move back to the metro I think I'll give up fishing. Thats just crazy stuff!
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Paul_86
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Far out thats crazy! What
Far out thats crazy! What time do you need to get to the ramp on a day like that to beat the crowd?
MJ
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Jammed
There were boats also coming from the marina end, once boats were launched they had to then get through this mess to park trailers.
We thought we would beat the rush and get there at 5.30am but every man and his dog had the same idea!
TonyT
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Geeeeeee, what time was that?
Geeeeeee, what time was that? Worse than the boxing day sales at David Jones.
fisho-ron
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i think a upgrade is well
i think a upgrade is well over due!! stuff that
was anybody using the other side and floating them straight off, we used to do that about 15years ago, then come back into the jetty to pick the driver up.
think i remember paul g saying no drive offs allowed
JohnF
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I have never been to Two
I have never been to Two Rocks....not sure I am that keen now!!!!!!
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quadfisher
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taxs at work
state govt offical1,,, I say some smelly fishermen want the 2 rocks ramp upgraded
developer 1,,, hey we only put it in , we dont want to keep it as a pet!
wanneroo counciller 1,,, dont look at us , were just here to collect the rates
state govt off 1,,, well we dont use it , the floating palace I own gets moored at freshwater bay.
all together,,, oh well lets just leave for a bit aye
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sea-kem
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Now I feel a bit better about
Now I feel a bit better about the extra hassle of beach launching.
Love the West!
Ben82
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South Geraldon
I guess thats what you have to deal with in the north (south gero) never seen anything like that at woodies
grayzeee
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holy shi#i've never seen it
holy shi#
i've never seen it that busy , but I'm normally earlier
I swear the ramps must work like surf breaks , you get the early crew as above , then the ramp quietens down for a period before all the guys at gentlemens.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
marble
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Fark that for a joke.
Fark that for a joke. Plenty of potential for some idiot making everyones tempers a bit frayed there I reckon.
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CCC
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I'll stop winging when I have
I'll stop wingeing when I have to wait for two others to launch after seeing that. Was anyone using the right lane to launch??
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fatboyholla
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worst facilities
worst facilities
worst fisherman ever
Deckie
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A Joke
Yeah, it's an absolute joke up there, you think thats bad, you should see the train wreck when they all come in to retreive. I keep hearing that something is going to be done for the last few years, i thought they actually shut the ramp down last year to put another concrete base down but i dont think it happened. Perhaps Paul G could throw some light on it for us ??
cheers Rob
Cheers & Stay safe
Paul Jackson
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Only been out of Two Rocks
Only been out of Two Rocks once a year or so ago - we were there at 05:00 - 23 boats ahead of us........
Never been back since
However, just for the record, I am pretty sure that this is a private ramp, so no state funding etc
Cheers
Paul J
carnarvonite
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Marina
The ramp was run by the marina operators before but now I think the yacht club has a finger in the pie somewhere.
Certainly a lot more crowded since I lived there but then Easter and public holiday weekends were pretty busy. We sometimes put the boat in the night before and left it on anchor to the left of the ramp to beat the rush next morning. Great when you only lived a couple of minutes away.
scottland
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Holy crapola
Imagine Being in that cue if it were your first launch some nice boats in there
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Lucky Tim
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weekend fishing- no thanks.
weekend fishing- no thanks. Give me a nice quiet weekday any day. Not looking forward to tourist season when the crowd migrates north and the country ramps look similar. I dislike it now when there are a few cars infront of me. I got caught behind one a few weeks ago that took over 10 minutes to retrieve, we were out in 1.
J_doggy
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Haha, part of the reason I
Haha, part of the reason I sold my boat and switched to landbased.
The quindy ramp can almost get like that at certain times
Seaquest
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Bugger that. I think if I was
Bugger that. I think if I was in Perth I would fish at night.
Quindalup can get busy during school holidays in summer but if you get there at a reasonable hour your straight in.
tiimmbo
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Yep I very rarely hit the
Yep I very rarely hit the water on a weekend, nothing like a free run to launch and retrieve every time mid week.
uncle
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yep
I too don't have to fish on weekends
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squidvicious1
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wait till the macks are
wait till the macks are truely running......
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looks like you would have
looks like you would have needed a tank of fuel in the car just waiting to launch. pacience is a virtue they say. stuff that , i would have gone elsewhere
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Batty
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Tying Rigs
Plenty of time to get all your rigs sorted !!!
what was happening when boats were coming from the other end ?
Lifes a game but fishing is serious !!!
Walker
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you could have driven to
you could have driven to lancellin to launch in less time.
Iceman
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Sea Rescue
Two Rocks sea rescue would be loving it considering the $7 goes to them. This is why the marina owners (who are Japanese from memeory) wont do anything and gov't dept wont assist as privately owned marina. Catch 22
Would rather carry the extra fuel in the boat and launch at Mindarie.
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Cortez474
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It's a bloody joke!! There
It's a bloody joke!! There was very nearly fisticuffs when I got my boat out..... I wasn't involved just highly amused!!
crasny1
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Pluck a duck
I wont complain at all ever again at having to wait. Thats just plain mad.
Tempers and just think about anyone having any problems launching and the tirade that would surely follow.
What other choices are there down there if its that busy?
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mullows
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Was just as busy in Dampier
Was just as busy in Dampier yesterday Neels. We joined the line in the back carpark of the yachtie near the walkway to the fuel jetty. Cars+trailers were parking up near roadrunners it was so busy. Took a while but everyone was cool. Just beat the rush home which was good too :-)
Cheers
Mullows
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crasny1
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Im so glad I didnt go (trailor problems)
That is the case with good tides, no wind and Sundays.
What time did the rush start as the tides where low at 7.30 am ish?
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mullows
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7.30 low tide so boats
7.30 low tide so boats probably started queing in earnest around 9.30ish, bit before maybe..
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Mullows
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glastronomic
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You want to head to
You want to head to Hillariies- and Ocean reef Marina next Saturday morning from about 5 till 6 am and watch the madness unfold.
It is the day of the Bluewater classic, run by Marmion angling club!
Last year was very entertaining to say the very least!
absolute chaos in Ocean reef as the competing boats have to stay inside the marina till the signall has been given, then watch 100 odd boats try to cram through the entrance all at once!
Will have camera rolling!!
This year we are joining in the frivolities!
Paul G
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40 boats would be more like
40 boats would be more like it I launch there in the blue water and it is a breeze no real dramers. Getting in or out. The comp is a great event and is run by members of the Maac hats of to them all as they do a great job see you down there.
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glastronomic
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Yeah 40 odd boats inside O/R
Yeah 40 odd boats inside O/R marina all floating/ idling & ready to fly off out of there is pure luxury with no stress at all, sure,.................
Paul G
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Two rocks ramp
Just rang the marina manager and had a chat about the ramp and who is responsible for it's upkeep.the ramp is leased to the yacht club not the air sea rescue.the money's collected go to the yacht club.it is there responsibility to clean the ramp of slim that is all.the manager of the marina told me there is no plans to upgrade the ramp or provide toilets or wash down as the local vandals would soon trash the new buildings which is probably true. they are fitting cameras to the ramp for those driving on and off ,I have bee sent a letter telling me if i am to be seen again i will be stop using the ramp and marina area by court order. They have been hitting the ramp hard and a number of people have also received these letters.the ramp lease is up for renewal in 2014 and nothing is or will be done until a new lease has been secured.I have rung the yacht club and am waiting there return call I will be asking them where the money's collected go and what insurances they have.As I have been told they are not responsible for any one slipping or injuring themselves on the ramp or jetty.As far as I know they must be covered with public insurance. If they are collecting money which is running a business .and it is compulsory to have insurance. I will update once I have spoken to the yacht club commodore
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crasny1
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Why are they stopping people from using the ramp??
I just dont get it that someone that doesnt do the wrong thing can be stopped from using the ramp. You must do something wrong to get a court order.
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spindog
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two rocks ramp
2 tonne swl gross
Paul G
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Powering on and of you
Powering on and of you trailer is not allowed on the two rocks ramp.there is a sign at the top ofnthe ramp .it's the big cats and larger boats that drive on at 1500rpm and hold themselves for up to one minute for there crew to get the shackles on .this do do damage to the ramp.I only use power for two seconds but it is still powering on so I will be using the momentum of the boat to get her up most of the way and the old winch handle we have to come out.
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spindog
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powering on and off
on ya paul that is the way
quadfisher
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a observation
If the bloody ramp was properly constructed and maintained , as a giant thick slab of re enforced concrete
driving on and off would do bugger all. The ramp has slowly broken apart over a period of time and now that its
had the bung , there doing what they can to keep flogging a dead horse, all the while charging you/ us more than ever
before to use .
One would assume ( lawyer speak ) gentlemen , as the honuorble paul g suggests , by a business charging you for a service or hire
they should have public lib insurance , and within that insurance , the insurrer would expect the business to take
all steps to ensure there facility is maintained to a standard and a duty of care for users of said facility.
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/mediafiles/mar_guidelines_design_launch_facilities.pdf
this above is what should cover the two rocks ramp, please read and make your own mind up if it complies.
thanks
quadfisher
Paul G
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The problem is it is a
The problem is it is a private ramp.so I don't think it comes under the same rules ,not sure.I do now if the ramp was not leased for the next two years it would probably be bulldozed as it is a liability for the owners.
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Cortez474
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How bout we al chip in and
How bout we al chip in and just install a floating jetty on the west side???
2 boats at a time......
CCC
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Why dont people use the side
Why dont people use the side without the jetty, just have the skipper in the boat and launch it? Most ramps up north have no jetty and big sideways currents and we all manage. When i was down at christmas we used that side of the ramp at two rocks and were the only ones doing so. Is there something I'm missing?
cheers
fisho-ron
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yes mate, your not allowed to
yes mate, your not allowed to power on or off!!!!
we used to do that excat same thing about 15 years ago, used to upset a few people though...lol
CCC
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It can be down without
It can be down without powering on or off. Just launch the boat, let it glide out a bit then fire up and move way. Retreving just line up the trailer, shut the motor off and glide in to the trailer, person that reversed down grabs the bow then hooks on and winchs up. Not drifferent to when you use a jetty. Is it alright to do that???
Paul G
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That is what I do but I used
That is what I do but I used the motor for the last two foot of the trailer and got done so now I will just winch the last bit as you say it is easy .
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spindog
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that is what i do but i used
on ya paul
spindog
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it can be done without
yess it is the correct procedure for the ramp loading /unloading the boat away from the jetty not at the jetty i invite you and some others i know to come down to the ramp and assist/help/explain this procedure
spindog
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yes mate your not allowed
hence the present problem we now have
glastronomic
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How about the goberminters
How about the goberminters spenda lot less on foreign boaties and spend the fees they get from the boating fraternity on the boating infrastructure!
I am sick and very tired of chipping in and getting SAFA back
spindog
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more huffen puff required
more huffen puff required
grayzeee
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got to be some funds from the
got to be some funds from the rfbl available
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
spindog
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got to be some funds availble
no funding availble private ramp
spindog
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to be some funds
no funds availble from rfbl or any one else private ramp need to bump up the price
Cortez474
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Gotta be something someone
Gotta be something someone can do surely!!!
It is pretty average considering how much money they would be collecting on days like that......7 bucks a pop adds up pretty quick!!
spindog
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gotta be something someone
pay the same fees as other ramps
Paul G
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W e had a write up in the
W e had a write up in the local paper on the ramp ,then on the next page was an article about government grants for boating ramps .I did ask the guy on the ramp about it and he said well until the new lease is signed no is doing anything.It's not there money why not write a letter I think it's all to hard .all they have to do is sit back and collect the money with minimal effort.would like to know what they could do if we said we would only pay $3 as this is all it is worth.
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spindog
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we had a write up
proberbly kiss the ramp goodby and then watch the jappeneses big smile
spindog
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we had a write up
then the fun starts
fisho-ron
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spot on i think paul, $3
spot on i think paul, $3 bucks would be top dollar to put up with that shit.
why not someone start a petition?
i am sure there would be every man and his dog signing it, somethings better than nothing.
Cameron71
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YOu'd get more traction by
YOu'd get more traction by boycotting it if everyone could get organised.
allrounder
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You need to look at the big picture
They are doing nothing to it and wont do anything to it for a long time yet.The owners wouldnt care if it fell to bits.A few years back the owners approched the government to go halves in the cost to upgrade the marina and build the road up from mindarie.The government said no and the rest is history.I dont think they will spend a cent on it until its viable.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
spindog
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you need to look at the big picture
and is still mabe 10 years away and they still dont care ==but if you read my previous posts and get behind the yacht club together we can chainge this but we need the help of all of you
spindog
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you"d get more action
why not all dob in the dollars and take over the lease and make it a free for all
carnarvonite
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Fraction
Fishwrecked members are only a small fraction of the total users of the ramp, you'd have to advertise widely to get others in on the act.
During cray season almost half of Two Rocks, Yanchep and St Andrews have pots and do the run daily to check them so they are the ones you would have to get involved if you want to succeed. It would be a waste of time talking to the marina operators because though they own it they don't see a big enough return from it to spend money improving or replacing it.
Many years back we tried to get the excavator operator to lay stones down the west side to form a jetty of sorts when they reinforced the breakwater but he was told not to do anything to it.
Paul G
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As Toni said it's a tricky
As Toni said it's a tricky one because they could just shut it down and then we are without a ramp.I will get in touch with the yacht club again and Suss them out.
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spindog
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as tony said its tricky
yes paul you are correct in your observation gently as she goes
spindog
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two rocks ramp
rock the boat baby ==rock the boat
Paul G
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You keep saying join the
You keep saying join the yacht club and help fix the problem.sorry but as far as IV been told the yacht club is not prepared to do nothing towards fixing the ramp.why would I join the yacht club .unless I had word they would spend my money on the ramp .there is a lot of money taken at the ramp most weekends and I see very little going back into the upkeep of the ramp .Can you tell me where all the money's collected go..I think the ball is in your court,you come up with the goods and shown me that the yacht club will do upgrades to the ramp and yes I would consider joining and doing my bit.
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carnarvonite
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Spot on
You are spot on Paul, seems like every cent collected goes towards the yacht club but as he stated, nothing towards the ramp upkeep, that is unless they are having something to do with yachting and the jetty needs a sweep.
As yacht stands for Yet Another C@#t Having Trouble and if you talk to so of them they think they are God's gift to boating.
spindog
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spot on
ramp is very good for a 2tonn swl boat/trailer combo , boats/trailers combo over that should be happy to launch there,not happy then ,boat ramps to suit the bigger can be found a www,.boat ramps
spindog
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you keep saying
if you beleive gossip fool you,as for the rest read spot on post,same applies
MJ
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Spinning
You have got yourself in a spin spindog!