That way you can have a long leader and have it a lot more castable. Particularily for lures where you want max cast and max precision. The only exception would be say bait fishing with a sliding sinker and you need a stopper, but then you could tie a short rig to the swivel, which would be easier to cast, but still have a long length leader for abrasion and shock absorbtion.
For lures and plastics I rarely use a swivel though, just straight to clip.
Make a double with your braid (bimini twist / plait etc) then attach a good amount of leader with a good knot (GT / no name etc)... You can then attach swivel if you want.
Braid doesn't like to stretch and tying braid straight to swivel can potentially give you grief.
Must be just me then. I like the leader attached straight to the lure. That’s why I have such a mess in my tackle box. But I can see your point hlokk. Have to try it for myself, what difference it makes.
Well, you still can, just dont use a swivel or a clip. For plastics i like braid-leader-lure. For casting lures I like using a small clip to the lure. For jigging, a swivel on the end of the mono and for trolling a swivel and clip.
A bimini in braid is usually around 90% of actual breaking strain. A uni knot in mono is often 80-90% (but varies slightly). So if you went with say a good knot (e.g. GT), the braid to mono would be stronger than the mono to terminal. If you use '30lb' braid and 30 leader to a uni, the uni will break before a bimini/gt/similar. Braid terminal knots are a diff question. The best knot is a bimini to catspaw which is 90%. I think the improved trilene is reasonably strong for a braid terminal knot, as is the triple palomar. Have to retest though. One annoying thing about braid and those kind of knots is that it really varies with the braid. Some are a lot more slippery.
The reason I heard for overtests was that people will tie mono knots in them and still expect them to break what the packet says. Depends who they're targetted at. High end colour marked lines break a lot closer than say 'lines for the masses' like fireline (which is often 3 times over). If you tie a good knot, you can get 80%+ so some manufacturers only overstate their rating a little, rather than massive amounts like fireline. Also, braid being thin and non-stretchy is less uniform in break tests (especially in knots, even good ones), hence a little safety factor.
Likc
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Braid and leader IMO.
Braid and leader IMO.
hlokk
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Mono and lure. That way you
Mono and lure.
That way you can have a long leader and have it a lot more castable. Particularily for lures where you want max cast and max precision. The only exception would be say bait fishing with a sliding sinker and you need a stopper, but then you could tie a short rig to the swivel, which would be easier to cast, but still have a long length leader for abrasion and shock absorbtion.
For lures and plastics I rarely use a swivel though, just straight to clip.
hk85
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+1 long leader
Make a double with your braid (bimini twist / plait etc) then attach a good amount of leader with a good knot (GT / no name etc)... You can then attach swivel if you want.
Braid doesn't like to stretch and tying braid straight to swivel can potentially give you grief.
Also I guess it depends what you are fishing for
Likc
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Must be just me then. I like
Must be just me then. I like the leader attached straight to the lure. That’s why I have such a mess in my tackle box.
But I can see your point hlokk. Have to try it for myself, what difference it makes.
hlokk
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Well, you still can, just
Well, you still can, just dont use a swivel or a clip. For plastics i like braid-leader-lure. For casting lures I like using a small clip to the lure. For jigging, a swivel on the end of the mono and for trolling a swivel and clip.
till
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Probably terminal to mono
Probably terminal to mono knots are stronger than braid to mono knots too.
Can't say I've ever tested it, but braids are supposed to hold a lower % of their ABS using most terminal knots than mono.
This is supposedly why a lot of braid overtests by such large margins.
hlokk
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A bimini in braid is usually
A bimini in braid is usually around 90% of actual breaking strain. A uni knot in mono is often 80-90% (but varies slightly). So if you went with say a good knot (e.g. GT), the braid to mono would be stronger than the mono to terminal. If you use '30lb' braid and 30 leader to a uni, the uni will break before a bimini/gt/similar. Braid terminal knots are a diff question. The best knot is a bimini to catspaw which is 90%. I think the improved trilene is reasonably strong for a braid terminal knot, as is the triple palomar. Have to retest though. One annoying thing about braid and those kind of knots is that it really varies with the braid. Some are a lot more slippery.
The reason I heard for overtests was that people will tie mono knots in them and still expect them to break what the packet says. Depends who they're targetted at. High end colour marked lines break a lot closer than say 'lines for the masses' like fireline (which is often 3 times over). If you tie a good knot, you can get 80%+ so some manufacturers only overstate their rating a little, rather than massive amounts like fireline. Also, braid being thin and non-stretchy is less uniform in break tests (especially in knots, even good ones), hence a little safety factor.