Long Liners out of Perth
Submitted by Bodie on Tue, 2014-06-03 09:14
Curious to find out if anyone knows where long liners operate out of Perth and Surrounding areas?
Was out off Mindarie yesterday and we managed to hook what we initially called a stingray, a 200 odd metre piece of long lining rope, which must have snapped off somewhere. It still had droppers, hooks and stainless clips on it.
Did the right thing and bought it back in, but thought it strange to find off Mindarie? Although it could have drifted from anywhere. It came from 60 metres off the bottom.
No Weights holding each end down, although one end did have a stainless buckle on the end, not sure what that attaches too
Bodie
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As far as I was aware
They can only operate out past the 200 m mark have seen them out there before maybe just broke off and drifted in
Rob H
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if its pelagic you are talking about
Bodie if you are asking about pelagic longliners there is none operating that I know other than Taiso Maru and Ocean Wild and they work way out 200-600 miles last time I spoke to them.
How long were the droppers?
Tuna ones will be around 20 meters plus, if its rope mainline (usually a blackish tar rope, cant remember the name) then its Jap gear most likely.
Demersal will be short, maybe 5 meters or less
A fair bit does get lost now and then but at least unlike drift nets, it doesnt continue to catch after the bait is gone.
Neil is right about the 200m line, though it isnt actually the contour on the chart, rather a series of straight lines drawn by AFMA around that line.
Tuna longliners are highly unlikely to work near that depth as it can hook the bottom when the gear bunches up and trashes it
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I've come across this
I've come across this illegal long lining twice before when it was caught up on the leg of the outboard luckily not the prop. Once out on the FFB and the other was in the shipping channel to Cockburn Sound. Both were about 100m of rope and the last one had some shark clips two home made reef anchors and a couple of bricks attached. Could have ended in disaster as hit at around 40kmh and certainly felt the drag of all the crap.
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Hi Rob, The droppers were
Hi Rob,
The droppers were very short, less than 1 metre. Droppers were made of nilon leader, with Stainless tuna circle hooks. Leader looked thick, atleast 250lb I would have thought.
Rope was either 8 or 10mm in diameter and white kind of anchor rope material. And droppers were only a couple metres apart.
I should have taken a photo, but its now in the Mindarie bin.
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definitely not a tuna/sword
definitely not a tuna/sword boat, and I dont know if demersal dropline is allowed here nowadays-maybe sounds like illegal gear?
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Alan James
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What size were the circles Bodie?
As Rob has said by the way it was rigged it sounds more like it was part of an illegal longline or perhaps a dropper.
Bodie
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reasonable size, bigger than
reasonable size, bigger than I'd use when chasing demersals.
I'd say 12-15o?
Alan James
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OK
were the hooks along the full length of the mainline or were they more at one end?
Bodie
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bit hard to tell, as we
bit hard to tell, as we pulled it in from 2 ends (when it was hooked it was hooked somewhere along the middle of the rope).
But I would have said there was atleast 30 droppers with big Stainless clips which attached to the main line and allowed the dropper to slide up and down the main line.
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Any fish on it?
Any fish on it?
Jaggo
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Pretty interesting. Never
Pretty interesting. Never know what ur gonna catch hey
Bodie
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nope not fish, quite a few
nope not fish, quite a few hooks were busted off.
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Wet liner
Sound like its come from a wet liner but have never seen any that use rope as a mainline, usually they its 300-400lb mono with crimps every 40-50cm to stop the clips [small] from bunching up. There would have been a big swivel on the top and loop on the bottom for a large--5+kg sinker
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there was a VERY big
there was a VERY big stainless swivel, not a fishing swivel, more a build for rope or cable, but no sinker.
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Yeh sounds like it could be
Yeh sounds like it could be a lost dhufish/snapper longline. They've been the craze the last few years mainly off geraldton but right up and down the coast. Banned by fisheries as of 1st of June due to being too effective. Mainly a commercial thing but who knows as it was found in the metro closure. A typical rig has an anchor and buoy at each end with 2-300 metres of 8mm rope with hooks along it.