Though, if you have to, the best way is bimini - multiple catspaw. Otherwise clinched trilene or triple palomar are supposed to be ok in braid but I havent tested them.
Have tested standard palomar knot for braid to swivel, and surprisingly easy AND strong, had the next level up mono break at the uni on the other side of the swivel before the palomar in braid.....that being said, why would you do it......it limits your mono leader to less than a rods length (to still be useable) and all you need is one good fish and either it will hit the briad with its tail or run the braid on some reef and it is game over.......
Bimini to 4-5 m of mono leader using your choice of albright, GT etc would be preferred. All easy knots with a bit of practive.
to you gareth. When bombing lures at Salmon or Tailor i've found that running braid all the way to your swivel is fine. Casting leader no matter how good the knot is it will be thicker than braid going through your guides. Sometimes the extra 5m's makes all the difference.
I use palomar and uni knots for braid to swivel. Sure it wont be as strong as bimini to GT,PR, albright whatever knot. But in these situations does it really need to be???
situation i'd use a cast leader. Prevents knot/line failure in the casting motion and is easier on your fingers. Braid also has poor abrasion resistance so if said Shark/ mulloway etc. goes anywhere near reef BANG all over.
Just enough to get 4-5 wraps on the spool is fine. 40-60lb is heavy enough.
just another name for a wind-on, except it's on a casting outfit instead of a game outfit.
So tie a bimini in your braid, join that to your mono leader with a albright, GT, PR whatever knot you prefer (as long as it's slim). Then wind that through your rod onto your reel, 4-10 wraps is enough (too many will redude your cast length). Then tie to your rig at your desired casting length.
no shit i have always used uni knots for braid to swivel then my leader or wire. only ever hooked up to small sharks and been alright. i too thought it was normal guess i am wrong. will be addin mono top shot from now on :)
When I first used braid I tied it to the swivel with palomar as per suggested on the pack of tuflne...alll was good ntil I hooked a absolute horse of a cabia that rolled in the short leader, hit the braid and nang.....about 10m from the boat.
That arvo, it was onto google to learn the art of bimini twists etc....I now run at least 5 wraps on the reel and still got busted off at Jurien last week after a sambo took all my mono leader over the wreck until the braid hit.....
Just got Brody to show me the GT knot agai and tested it tonite and sweet as, will cast really well compared with albright, and easier than FG. Still getting my head around te Bristol ad although it apparently tests almost as good as an FG I have had it slip on me (poor technique I wold say.....).
Learn bimini, albright and GT and you should be sweet.
i can do bimini to gt i just never thought of usin it hey. cheers mate i will definately be doin it from now on since every1 reccomends dont use braid to swivels :)
if your worried about the knot running through the runners try only using a leader of about 1.5mtrs so you can still get a bit of leader as well as the rig without running it through the runners that can reduce your casting distance
has never let me down ,in any line class with this connection i 've found you dont have "bustoffs" anymore only "cutoffs " when you can't stop something getting into the bottom.
that's basically what i do. Although i think the version i tie is the 'improved' albright, not that it matters as long as it's tied correctly.
As with any connections you reall should practice your knots and make sure you've got it right. If it's not, cut it and do it again. Nothing worse than losing a fish to a bad knot.
i agree matt, anything that doesnt look exactly right gets cut off straight away ive seen people get to excited by the "hot" bite and tie shit knots in a rush only to hook a trophy fish and it ends in tears
Ryan, seen that before! Its a case of tie what you're good at.
I just feel that the gt+bimini is worth the time it takes to tie in the heavier gear, and the slim beauty is fine in lighter gear, and they both cast very well.
I'm working on the PR knot in this thread because it looks even better and thats as close to fishing I can get at my desk ;)
On my bottom bashing rig I've always used an improved clinch knot and have yet to have one fail. Double the braid (not a loop, just double it) then ten or so twists and pull it together neatly and then cut off the doubled end. That's using 80lb braid. Old school, yes, does it work? It does for me but each to their own.
For braid to a swivel I use a double Palomar with a double "granny" (you need to know the knot to understand this). Pull it up nice and tight, and then the piece de la resisatance, a quick dab of superglue. In my job I use a very expensive type of superglue, it penetrates into the braid, locking the whole lot into a solid knot that is faster to tie than any knot I have tested it against, not as tough as a Bimini/Albright though, but I dont think it is far behing, and much easier and faster to tie. I now only use this in fly fishing rigs
Lazy again, we use snaps but only the best, to be able to change the leader setup fast. So I only use expensive swivels, rated 2PE above the line class I am using, and have never had this setup fail on us (so far).
I am not convinced that I am doing the right thing, as the swivel is redundant with bottom bounching with braid, and a long wind-on leader would probably be better.
Each to their own, just my view as there is so many ways of skinning a cat. Some are better, others are faster. At the end as long as you catch a fish and most importantly enjoy it is truely only up to working out what suits you best.
Neels
You can clearly see I am bored at work, nothing to do but i have to be here!!!!
getting the bottom line final answer from a bunch of blokes that use false names and put smiley faces at the end of paragraphs is not the best place in the world to get the information you seek.
till
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Who does that =0
Who does that =0
hlokk
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Seconded. Use a decent braid
Seconded. Use a decent braid to mono knot.
Though, if you have to, the best way is bimini - multiple catspaw. Otherwise clinched trilene or triple palomar are supposed to be ok in braid but I havent tested them.
flangies
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Either of you guys Ever surf
Either of you guys Ever surf fished?
till
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Sure, but as you do mention
Sure, but as you do mention surf fishing, why use braid for that *at all*.
My GT+bimini combo casts really well, but if I was baitsoaking, I'd use a long mono topshot with braid backing.
flangies
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No need for a long mono
No need for a long mono topshot.. Sand isn't going to be a problem. And swivels help eliminate twist from your bait rolling around in the surf.
till
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Rolling braid around in the
Rolling braid around in the sand ruins it, I would still use a swivel.
Dicey
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You should topshot the reel
You should topshot the reel with some big mono so its easier to handle the fish when it does get close.
DazSamFishing
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You could tie a bimini &
You could tie a bimini & cats paw it onto your swivel.
JohnF
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Have tested standard palomar
Have tested standard palomar knot for braid to swivel, and surprisingly easy AND strong, had the next level up mono break at the uni on the other side of the swivel before the palomar in braid.....that being said, why would you do it......it limits your mono leader to less than a rods length (to still be useable) and all you need is one good fish and either it will hit the briad with its tail or run the braid on some reef and it is game over.......
Bimini to 4-5 m of mono leader using your choice of albright, GT etc would be preferred. All easy knots with a bit of practive.
John
Boston Whaler 235 Conquest......getting the flogging it was built for.
DazSamFishing
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yeah, I wouldn't recommend
yeah, I wouldn't recommend running braid directly to a swivel... but each to their own.
brg
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i do
second the palomar good for snap swivel use it all the time strong as.
garethgkr
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:O i thought it was normal
:O
i thought it was normal tying a braid to a swivel.
i did that on my surf rod. 30lb braid to a Hawaiian Snap swivel.
I tried putting 30lb mono leader on it, but the knot kept on causing to much friction on the guides. So that when I cast it, it affects the distance.
What should I do?
ps. hope i'm not hi-jacking this thread.
MattMiller
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Similar
to you gareth. When bombing lures at Salmon or Tailor i've found that running braid all the way to your swivel is fine. Casting leader no matter how good the knot is it will be thicker than braid going through your guides. Sometimes the extra 5m's makes all the difference.
I use palomar and uni knots for braid to swivel. Sure it wont be as strong as bimini to GT,PR, albright whatever knot. But in these situations does it really need to be???
garethgkr
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will it matter if I'm
will it matter if I'm chucking out chunks of bait and a 4oz sinkers?
it is mainly for sharks/ what not.
Usually I make another rig with a normal swivel and 1m of 100lb leader on it attached to the hooks. Then this gets put on the snap swivel.
should be alright?
MattMiller
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In that
situation i'd use a cast leader. Prevents knot/line failure in the casting motion and is easier on your fingers. Braid also has poor abrasion resistance so if said Shark/ mulloway etc. goes anywhere near reef BANG all over.
Just enough to get 4-5 wraps on the spool is fine. 40-60lb is heavy enough.
What type of reel do you use
garethgkr
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penn 850ssm is a cast
penn 850ssm
is a cast leader, like a normal leader but attached to the brain through bimini style?
MattMiller
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Basically
just another name for a wind-on, except it's on a casting outfit instead of a game outfit.
So tie a bimini in your braid, join that to your mono leader with a albright, GT, PR whatever knot you prefer (as long as it's slim). Then wind that through your rod onto your reel, 4-10 wraps is enough (too many will redude your cast length). Then tie to your rig at your desired casting length.
Good luck
Shane O
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iPad app
There is a iPad app for knots it has quite a few knots.
Markie
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no shit i have always used
no shit i have always used uni knots for braid to swivel then my leader or wire. only ever hooked up to small sharks and been alright. i too thought it was normal guess i am wrong. will be addin mono top shot from now on :)
JohnF
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Hoookt When I first used
Hoookt
When I first used braid I tied it to the swivel with palomar as per suggested on the pack of tuflne...alll was good ntil I hooked a absolute horse of a cabia that rolled in the short leader, hit the braid and nang.....about 10m from the boat.
That arvo, it was onto google to learn the art of bimini twists etc....I now run at least 5 wraps on the reel and still got busted off at Jurien last week after a sambo took all my mono leader over the wreck until the braid hit.....
Just got Brody to show me the GT knot agai and tested it tonite and sweet as, will cast really well compared with albright, and easier than FG. Still getting my head around te Bristol ad although it apparently tests almost as good as an FG I have had it slip on me (poor technique I wold say.....).
Learn bimini, albright and GT and you should be sweet.
Boston Whaler 235 Conquest......getting the flogging it was built for.
Markie
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i can do bimini to gt i just
i can do bimini to gt i just never thought of usin it hey. cheers mate i will definately be doin it from now on since every1 reccomends dont use braid to swivels :)
Faulkner Family
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if your worried about the
if your worried about the knot running through the runners try only using a leader of about 1.5mtrs so you can still get a bit of leader as well as the rig without running it through the runners that can reduce your casting distance
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
STEVE231
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Palomar is fine, never had
Palomar is fine, never had it let go on me. Wouldn't tie it for GT's but would trust it for most applications.
Ryan C
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bimini to albright then uni knot to terminals
has never let me down ,in any line class with this connection i 've found you dont have "bustoffs" anymore only "cutoffs " when you can't stop something getting into the bottom.
MattMiller
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Yeah
that's basically what i do. Although i think the version i tie is the 'improved' albright, not that it matters as long as it's tied correctly.
As with any connections you reall should practice your knots and make sure you've got it right. If it's not, cut it and do it again. Nothing worse than losing a fish to a bad knot
.
Ryan C
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knots
i agree matt, anything that doesnt look exactly right gets cut off straight away ive seen people get to excited by the "hot" bite and tie shit knots in a rush only to hook a trophy fish and it ends in tears
till
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Ryan, seen that before! Its
Ryan, seen that before! Its a case of tie what you're good at.
I just feel that the gt+bimini is worth the time it takes to tie in the heavier gear, and the slim beauty is fine in lighter gear, and they both cast very well.
I'm working on the PR knot in this thread because it looks even better and thats as close to fishing I can get at my desk ;)
Dave Bentley
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Braid knots to leader material
PR Knot for sure. No drag through the runners what so ever, and it will never let go.
Alan James
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Braid to swivel knot
On my bottom bashing rig I've always used an improved clinch knot and have yet to have one fail. Double the braid (not a loop, just double it) then ten or so twists and pull it together neatly and then cut off the doubled end. That's using 80lb braid. Old school, yes, does it work? It does for me but each to their own.
crasny1
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I am lazy
And due to the girls eyesight, I tie all knots.
For braid to a swivel I use a double Palomar with a double "granny" (you need to know the knot to understand this). Pull it up nice and tight, and then the piece de la resisatance, a quick dab of superglue. In my job I use a very expensive type of superglue, it penetrates into the braid, locking the whole lot into a solid knot that is faster to tie than any knot I have tested it against, not as tough as a Bimini/Albright though, but I dont think it is far behing, and much easier and faster to tie. I now only use this in fly fishing rigs
Lazy again, we use snaps but only the best, to be able to change the leader setup fast. So I only use expensive swivels, rated 2PE above the line class I am using, and have never had this setup fail on us (so far).
I am not convinced that I am doing the right thing, as the swivel is redundant with bottom bounching with braid, and a long wind-on leader would probably be better.
Each to their own, just my view as there is so many ways of skinning a cat. Some are better, others are faster. At the end as long as you catch a fish and most importantly enjoy it is truely only up to working out what suits you best.
Neels
You can clearly see I am bored at work, nothing to do but i have to be here!!!!
Fishing this arvo.
"I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact!!" _ Elon Musk
thesupervisor
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i just use a blood knot
i just use a blood knot thats what i think it is called?
but you have to go through the swivel twice so it doesnt slip
if i get snagged i always get the swivel back
getting the bottom line final answer from a bunch of blokes that use false names and put smiley faces at the end of paragraphs is not the best place in the world to get the information you seek.
Dreamtime
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fg
anyone use the fg knot???
rockoe_
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hey try this web site out,
hey try this web site out, it has a heap of good knots on there and it shows you how to tie them as well.
http://www.netknots.com/html/fishing_knots.html