Hi Any Tips For DieHard?
hey guys/guls
I have not been on the website in a long time as my life has been Real BUSY.
i would like to ask you guys who free/dive or even if you know.
but i have started Free/diving along some reef ledges at about 3- metres.
the pressure at that dpth is still quite new to me but i am getting used to it i can hold my breate for about 40 secs b4 i reach the surface again.
i have been equlising py pinching my nose with my fingers but do you think it is worth getting a nose clip.?
and also how can i improve my Breathe Underwater ?
i love snorkelling and i have never done something wrong yet like drwoning or not equlising at right depth.
but can u guys give me any tips or any aother piecses of clothing or equipment to make my dive easier????
Thanks
Diehard
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callum
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finns
get some decent finns, ones with big blades help propell you
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yeah i have got some proper
yeah i have got some proper diving fins. i cannot kik my legs fast but they have a nice propolsion which means they can get me down deeper. the total size of my fins are like 65cm. considering my height is about 1.60m
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PDA
go to the dive store at the marina, they'll hook you up
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PDA? i have heard that some
PDA?
i have heard that some ppl use light wieghts like 3-4 3lb weights on a belt.?
would that help?
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umm i wouldnt recomend u
umm i wouldnt recomend u using that many weights... i am 6 ft and i only use 3 2lb wieghts. wieghts are only usefull if u have a wetsuit. it just helps neutralise u in the water becuase the wetsuits are very bouyant. if u want u can get a nose clip but u dont really need it. just get a good low volume mask and u won't need to de pressurize as often. best tip is just keep practising. go to ur local pool with ur fins and mask and just keep doing underwater dives and see how far u can get. just keep doing that till u think u can comfortably make about 30-50m without getting those cramps in ur chest and ur good to go to about 10m and then still travel along the bottom abit.
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thanks that is really a lot
thanks that is really a lot of help i will now go to my local pool and practise.
wat about holding your breath in the pool for longer and longer or doing Lungbusters?
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u can if u want but i prefer
u can if u want but i prefer to go for distances rather then times. also u can trying going to places like point peron which have fairly deep waters close to the shore and just keep doing dives there so u can get a more oceany feel for it. u can then take a speargun with u but yeah fully fished out. one important thing to remember is b4 u dive dont take lots of big breathes just take like 3 small breathes then one big one. and also if u swim with ur arms aswell i find u run out of breathe sooner. hope this helps
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hey reall thanks FOR all
hey reall thanks FOR all your information why cant you take 3 long breathes??? i normally just slow my heart rate down and take 1- or 2 BIG breathes. then slowly release my air or i just swallow it and then swallow it again and thena gain b4 i cant anymore. wat ones better? yh i dnt swim with my arms only if i am really out of breathe i use then to glide to the surface. i also been to rotto and was freediving there at the basing i was easily reaching the bottom and swimming along the ground picking up rocks/shell for about 15 secs b4 wanting to drown.
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yeah i was told then found
yeah i was told then found that if u take big breathes then u cant really hold it for as long once ur under. not sure y just something todo with ur body. also its better if u slow ur heart rate down once ur underwater because the whole diving process speeds it back up again. how deep is the basin? cause yeah next we go to rotto or something if ur there we might be able to take u out into deeper water when we go spearing. probs 10-12 max though. point peron is around about 7 in some areas. but yeah as i said practise makes perfect. once u can do good dives invest in a good speargun as it just makes it so much more enjoyable just because of the exitment of u being able to shoot something. most trips i dont even let of a shot i just like having it with me incase of a big one =)
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breathes
breathing deeply before gets rid of all the carbon dioxide in your body, it thought that helped hold it for longer?
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that was what i thought
that was what i thought aswell. but when we go spearing i go with my mates cousin and his friend and yeah they hell good at it they told me that.
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yee
i only freedive/gidgee down in busso, we havn't used belts but it would amke it alot easier
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u guys get any good wobbys
u guys get any good wobbys down there? i got a mate who only gidgees but he only targets wobbys just cause u cant really get em on spear..
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nope
we ahve caught some when the jetty was open, but due to the closure we jsut gidgees and stuff now when we go down, plenty of occy's around the morrings though as well as kgs
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yeah when we go down we go
yeah when we go down we go at the back of the chirstian youth camps. really good kgs there and also lots of squid. so u been getting wobbys just of the jetty? cause all the wobbys around perth are in spearfishing-free zones these days
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nah
not lately mate, maybe if you sneak ina snorkle around the jetty before the workman get out you'll get one?
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im sure they wont mind if
im sure they wont mind if they dont see us ;p
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ok how exactly do u use a
ok how exactly do u use a gidgee and wat type do you have?
wat weight would u recommend for a 48kg person?
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gidgee
i jsut got one from the dive shop to start, you place the rubebr between your thumb and forefinger and then push your ahnd along the shaft, to shoot you jsut let go ot the shaft. easier if have the spear with you to explain
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hey it sounds easy enough
hey it sounds easy enough how do you know that the fish is big or legal size?
also wat is the renge on the gidgee give me an estimate.
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gidgees dont really have
gidgees dont really have much range on em. its got a bit but not to much. also u neva know if its sized so only shoot something if u really wanna keep it and ur 100% sure its way over size. usually u can tell which fish are big once u see them enough
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range, depends on how far you can get the rubber to stretch but pronoly only effective >3m, less if your pinning fish mid water, opposed to the bottom, you only shoot thigns that you know are legal, take no chances
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mate where do u gigi around
mate where do u gigi around busso?
i go down there regulary and i wanna get into gigiing and i wanna start from shore.
cheers danno
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Mate
Have a read about freediving on a site like WA Divers. It can be a great sport but quite dangerous if not done properly, especially at depth. There is heaps of info on that site as well as some really experianced free divers - some who are on this site too I think, that would be more than happy to help you with all the info you're after.
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Agree with Matt
Check out with the pros. With proper advice you dive safer and have a more fun. You might even get experienced guys to bring you out for a couple of trips and spearos are a fantastic bunch and as friendly as fishoes.
I used to hold 3.5mins before surfacing. My mates who were better trained could hold a friggin 5 - just lying on the bottom waiting for something to pass. We did a lot of pool training.
My watch beeps at 3.6 so I'd better be on my way up when it beeps. We all knew each other's limits. So if I'd stayed till 4 mins my buddies would already be on their way to get me. I got a big cylume strapped to the back of my calf so i'm easy to find.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NEVER FREEDIVE ALONE. SHALLOW WATER BLACKOUT WILL KILL YOU.
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hey wat is a Cylume? another
hey wat is a Cylume?
another thing is i will never push deep as i have just got into Teenage years.
my max i will probably go is 4-5m i think that is fair for a srat + my sister or dad always snorkells with me and they both always keep an eye sometimes 2 on me. i also am very cautious people say that i worry to much but again accidents can happen but they can be prevented with common sense.
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Cylume
or Cyalume is the Military grade of chemical light stick. It's also available to the public under different names. I used to wear a cammo suit so a marker is a must.
Your safety attitude is great. Think someone has generously offered to give you 1 on 1 tips - nothing beats that. If you can't make it over, invite him up for dinner or talk to him on the phone.
It doesn't matter that you're only in 4-5m of water. Ask him to explain "total air pressure" and why you can get shallow water blackout at the surface - hence the name SHALLOW WATER, and why you should watch your buddy all the way to the surface till he gives OK. In some cases, divers blackout AFTER surfacing and drown in 6ins of water.
Freediving is a serious sport that requires some discipline. There is some understanding of physics and human factors to be a safe diver. But you will have tons of fun, especially when you understand how the human body really works. There is nothing more free than diving without the tank.
Just so no one gets confused (some might think I'm paranoid) , freediving is very different from snorkeling. Don't learn it on your own.
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sorry but would you mind
sorry but would you mind taking me through a procedure.
say u are going to dive in 5m of water tell the main details like Equilising dnt Exhale all your air etc. from the descent to the ascent. thanks that would really help me as i cannot get to much info off the net.
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Info
I cringe at putting any instruction on the internet as there is no substitution for proper training. Freediving is the most potentially dangerous sport I know of. I don't swim very well so was attracted to the sport.
Do a search on Apnea Diving for the technicals that are written by people with far more experience. AIDA is the body that governs the mainstream sport - but not spearfishing. Note that alot of guys in the sport do so only in the pool, in a silo, or open water rigged with safety divers. Spear fishing in open water brings in a lot of other complications.
Dove mainly in the States when Dynamic Apnea was the in thing during long cold winters. They have big clubs in the States and Canada, run by people with pHDs. Terry Maas was one of my idols back then. Here's an article he wrote that might be of interest before your next dive.
http://www.freedive.net/SWB/vest1_hi_rez.pdf
If you are going to be diving in the open water, my personal take is that you'll probably want to get your scuba ticket first to get comfortable at that depth as you will be able to go deeper while freediving. And join a club that will teach you the ins and outs under a controlled environment.
That whole "no limits" thing is just inviting trouble. I have not been with the sport for years, but one thing i know is please get proper instruction. Please don't read stuff off the net then go and try it - its NO NO in my book.
WA has a nice water culture, so you won't have trouble finding people to teach you.
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thanks for the link that has
thanks for the link that has given me more knowledge.
is that "vest" in reatail or did ut fall through.
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Knows what he is talking about
I have to say Desmond seems to have a fair clue what he is talking about.
As I said before I would be happy to sit down with you and go over the basics, Best bet is always to get in with a group of like minded people (dive club) and spend time with them.
Always willing to help though if you would like my email or mobile just PM me
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Thanks for all your help i
Thanks for all your help i have found something on the net.
it said to slow heart rate down then take 2-3 deepish breathes.
then they send go straight down while you are on ur descnet you "pop" your ears and you do that at the bottom aswell it also said have a stedy ascent to the sruface without rushing and also "pop" your ears to. then once at the surface Exhale all your air and take in huge breathes a couple of times.
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It is not that simple!
Dude you are starting to scare me. DON'T go it alone!
GET PROPER INSTRUCTION. It's worth the wait.
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ok thanks i will take it
ok thanks i will take it easy my friends Dad dives a lot he has his PADI or something hes been diving for years and he is coming over tommorow night ill ask him a couple of qustions or ill sit down and he can take me through it.
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Thanks Matt do you have a
Thanks Matt
do you have a Link because i really want to get into it.
um also is there any age restrictions for spearguns and Gidgee??
and where abouts can u use them?
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i dont think there is age
i dont think there is age restrictions.. maybe for buying them but not using them i farily sure. umm using is more hard. of shore u really have to check the regs in those areas. u can look on the rotto maps 2 if u wanna see were u can and cant spear downt there. and also point peron is another good option but again overfished to the max. but u might get some kgs or something there.
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Your Buddy
I think is the most important. Followed by your fitness if you're serious. Then proper freedive fins (60+cm blade length excluding foot pocket so the whole thing is about 3ft) and ultra low volume mask. If you're going deep then a professional suit really helps coz your buoyancy doesn't change as much. It gets cold once you get past 15 feet even in the tropics.
Sporasub and Tigullio are good and among the cheaper fins. Not sure if you can get them in Aust. Got mine shipped from italy. Or check around for used ones. Perfect fit is very important.
I've got a picasso yamamoto suit that should fit you if you're less than 65kgs. I had though of selling, but I'm in Singapore. So that's a bummer! But if you're not going deep, or not getting into the cold water column then you may not need one.
Dive safe buddy. Hey there's a spearfishing publication you can pick up at the newsstand. Think they have a freedive forum where you'll find the pros.
Stopped 6 yrs ago. I'm too old for this stuff.
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A few places use yamamoto
A few places use yamamoto neoprene but seriously, just get the camo 3mm suit by Adrenalin, there is nothing wrong with it, its cheap, and hardwearing. Open cell spearo suits are a pain to maintain.
Do buy a rubber weight belt, they're a lot better than the nylon webbing ones that slide around all the time.
Fins? Just buy something long and cheap like the stealths or the black wolf ufos that they have up at Hookah Dive in wangara. The UFOs appear to be a copy of the picasso black teams, nothing wrong with them either.
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So how much are rubber
So
how much are rubber wieht belts.
also so anyy age can use a speargun?
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Bit of advice
Im an avid diver, do a little freediving, I suggest you go to www.wadivers.com.au we have a freediving section with some really good guys whom know a lot about free diving. As said previously you really need people watching you when freediving. People die doing this regularly.
To my knowledge there are no restrictions on spearguns you should just go to a good shop and have a look, the biggest restriction for you will be a) your arm span b) your strength.
If you are in the south west I am willing to try to teach you a thing or 2 when I get back home, if your serious and in perth maybe you should talk to the guys at the freediving clubs.
There are plenty of places out there that can give you lots of advice, Hooka dive being one of the best in perth. Coastal Water being one of the best in Bunno.
Hope this has helped a little
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thans @ WADRay so spear guns
thans @ WADRay so spear guns are quite hard to re-load? i have fairly strong arms not saying that i can deffinately pull it bak but how much force/kilos do you reckon it would take to pull the Band into place?
another thing is how deep is the floor about 50metres+ out from the Basin in Rotto?
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Never measured the pull
Personally I have never measured the pull of my spear gun... BUT I have a 70lb (30kg) bow and it is easier to pull the string back on that then it is to load my new spear gun.
I would guess your pulling 35 to 40kg with one to both hands.
Mainly it is about technique. (more to it then one would think if the gun is too big to simply chest load)
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Chest Load? anyway do you
Chest Load?
anyway do you know what the cheapest Speargun strating range is? and also how far do they travel?
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Chest Loading
Chest Loading is where you put the but of the gun on your chest before drawing back the rubber to allow you to get both hands on the rubber before you load.
To do this your arms have to be able to go from the but of your gun to the rubber.
Iif your gun is to long for this then you have to hold the handle of your gun with one hand (I use right) and then grab the rubber with your other hand (Left) and pull the rubber back at the same time you put the but into your chest. You then have to take your butt hand up and grab the rubber with it as well and draw it to your guns lock point.
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You wouldn't be able to
You wouldn't be able to spear there, check the rotto website for restrictions. Pretty sure you aren't even allowed to land them on rotto at all.
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If you were giving me an
If you were giving me an answer for the (how deep is the Basin)
i meant how deep is the basin just 50m from the shore i can get to the botom easily and stay there for some time to.
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hi just one more
hi
just one more Question?
*How Far can Spearguns shoot estimate? with a 16mm band.
*What is the starting range for a speargun?
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