Is this going to affect metro?
Submitted by funngames on Thu, 2012-06-14 06:34
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/13943229/fishing-banned-under-extensive-marine-plan/
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There is a map on the abc
There is a map on the abc news website that details all the exclusion zones,sorry guys not sure how to uplaod the link. Doesn't look to be too bad for WA.
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Not Sure
Reading the article it would appear a large area between Mullaloo and Two Rock offshore will be no take zone and yet the map shows it as multiple use zone. Confusing????
It is all very unclear.
What is clear is the Fed Govt pandering to the green and screwing up this great country before the next election.
What about banning the taking of billfish up north by commercial vessels as shown in previous bloggs.
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faaaaarked
it is faaarked alright.
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mbp/reserves/index.html
they dont even tell you what you can or cant do in the zones.
bit by bit, they take it from us.
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Iceman, that is the dive-only
Iceman, that is the dive-only area that Lee Johnson from Perth Dive Academy pushed for on his Pew-funded trips to Canberra.
Recfishwest is not happy about Geo Bay, Rottnest Trench and Legendre Island (off Dampier) being grabbed to appease the Greens.
Some of our rights have officially been sacrificed for political gain.
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Look a little closer
Only the strips of green are off limits to recreational fishing. Recreational diving is allowed everywhere, which makes sense really.
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mbp/reserves/pubs/map-sw-region.pdf
Not saying I agree with it at all, but there is no large dive-only area courtesy of Lee Johnson. There is a small Marine National Park Zone just north and west of the end of the existing Marmion Marine Park.
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mbp/reserves/sw-tworocks.html
Ash88
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surely the public has the
surely the public has the right to say something about this ? I hope it doesn't go threw
scottywiper
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Ash,There was a widely
Ash,
There was a widely publicised public comment period, which few rec fishos bothered to take advantage of.
Ash88
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Ah ok I didn't realise
Ah ok I didn't realise
scottywiper
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There is another 60-day
There is another 60-day comment period coming as well.
Ash88
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Ah ok cool i'll keep my eye
Ah ok cool i'll keep my eye out for it
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This site here has some close
This site here has some close up maps of the areas affected:
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mbp/reserves/sw-region.html
This page explains what the IUCN zone numbers are supposed to mean:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IUCN_protected_area_categories
From what I can make out IUCN zone VI is a protected area with sustainable uses of natural resources. I'm hoping this means that recreational fishing is going to be allowed in this zone.
I would assume that the category IV and II areas will be the no take zones.
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Zoning scheme
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mbp/reserves/pubs/sw-zoning-scheme.pdf
Recreational fishing is only banned from IUCN II.
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Only the Green areas? Hmmmm
Only the Green areas? Hmmmm oh well looking a my spots in Geographe Bay it looks like i have lost my Whiting and Skippy spots near the 4 mile then. State Waters only to 3 mile out. Then again i havent fished them more than 4 times in the last 4 years. To busy going off the Cape now :)
Now just have to wait and see the finalised Capes Marine Parks Sanctuary Zones. I think all my Dhui/Pinkie Spots are all in the clear :)
And if not........ well guess i am going to have to do some more searching. Or night fishing ;)
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Just a question. Can WA
Just a question. Can WA fisheries enforce laws in Federal fishing zones. e.g if you are fishing in a federal zoned sanctuary(not in state waters) can WA fisheries ping you? Or is that a federal matter?
Either way its not going to affect to many fishers away from the metro areas, as there is so little enforment of any rules and zones other than at the boat ramp, that chances of having a fisheries boat drive up to you if you are fishing in one of the no take zones would be highly unlikely. Not impossible but unlikely, especially away from any of the existing State marine parks.
One paper its great for the greens, but in reality its probably more to stop oil and gas infastructure being put in, than to actually stop fishos having a recreational fish.
As stated its hard to tell exactly what a Special Purpose Zone entails, or what a Habitat Protection area is protecting. You might find that there is little to none no complete no-take zones for rec fisherman? Guess we shall see.
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Depends what you call large
Depends what you call large KMO. And so where are the divers excluded to the benefit of anglers???
Perhaps we should be calling for the end of all compressed air spearfishing, period.
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Fair enough
Looking at the dimensions of that little patch of green:
31deg42'S down to 31deg43'22.8"S is roughly 1.5nmiles north to south and looks pretty close to square. Is that the Gemini wreck? I can see how that might piss some people off!
I'm not a compressed air spearo, but I don't think talking about banning more fishing is going to help anyone at the moment.
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How would banning
How would banning spearfishing on compressed air help anything biggles1967? I dare say that the number of fish taken using this method would be small when compared to other fishing methods, probably small even to when compared to the survival rate of catch and release.
I am with kmo on this on as baselessly calling for the banning of a fishing method as a way to protect your fishing rights is bizarre logic
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I'm not sure I fully
I'm not sure I fully understand the purpose of the two rocks national park zone.
I could be wrong but I had a quick look at it on a map. It's a relatively small area that is out the back of staggies reef but ends before you get to any of the lumps in the 40s depths. As far as I was aware that area is just flat sandy bottom and not much of a habitat for fish.
It kind of looks like they put a no take zone in a spot where people don't usually catch fish. It's not really going to protect anything.
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as kmo said, think its the
as kmo said, think its the Gemini Wreck for the divers. They could have just put an exclusion zone around it like the Perth and the Swan.
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Bonzle says that the Gemini
Bonzle says that the Gemini wreck is at 31° 37' 12" S which would be to the north of this zone.
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Oh right havent been to the
Oh right havent been to the Gemini myself, just knew it was in the area. Maybe its protecting some valuable sand?
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Just an interesting thing in
Just an interesting thing in regards to the Ngari Capes park
http://www.surfrider.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ngaricapesmap-724x1024.jpg
See how the Sanctuary zones of the State park and the federal Park line up.
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mbp/reserves/sw-geographe.html
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mbp/reserves/sw-swcorner.html
Wonder if their scientists talk to each other about where to place them?
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Of coarse they do. Over there
Of coarse they do. Over there beer and darts game. Thats how they come up with this stuff..
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So the Two Rocks national
So the Two Rocks national park zone appears to be protecting some sand out the back of 3 mile, and the rottnest trench national park zone is apperently in 700m+ water.
It looks like this will make no difference to recreational fishing in Perth.
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http://www.news.com.au/breaki
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/more-marine-parks-needed-conservationists/story-e6frfku0-1226395409274
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Note that Pew and Cons
Note that Pew and Cons Council say this is just the beginning. Frightening.
And is there any way Pew can prove their claim that ecotourism will boom because of marine parks? That is an absolute fabrication. How many coastal towns are going to ride on the back of ecotourism? Leeman, Jurien, Albany, Augusta, Carnarvon?
As it is, tourism operators in Exmouth and Kalbarri and other towns are hurting because overseas visitor numbers are way down over the last two years.
Can't see how reducing local visitor numbers can possible help.
We are being conned.
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Confusing!!
Just looked at the proposed plan for Dampier area. Legendre and Delambre are both popular fishing spot, as is Angel, Gidley and the passages. All this is shaded in baby poo brown, and as far as I can see is proposed State reserves.
Has anybody got any ideas about this one?
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Quote from article
"The minister will make a final decision on the plan following a 60-day consultation process, but warned the process would not involve shifting lines on maps."
Whats the point of a consultation period if the lines wont be shifted.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/national/13944577/fishers-concerned-about-marine-park-plan/
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Neels, These are all within
Neels,
These are all within state waters and are therefore not coverend under the commonwealth process...
Look here instead: http://www.dec.wa.gov.au/pdf/national_parks/marine/dacp/dacp_imp.pdf
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Cheers for that
Cheers for that
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the minister and
talk back on 6pr now,sounds a lot worse then we think
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everything on 6pr sounds a
everything on 6pr sounds a lot worse than people think
They need something to get people shaking their fists about, else their listeners would stop listening.
Not saying that the marine parks are not an issue - but I have a bigger dislike for the majority of talkback radio!
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Uncle... Sattler put the
Uncle...
Sattler put the usual media hype on it...for the actual zoning visit:
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mbp/reserves/index.html
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yeh he's a tool
then he dosen't give enough time for talkback
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Tony Burke's webpage
Send him an email I have - but I was polite to a point.
http://www.tonyburke.com.au/home/
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Colours???
Where does it mention what each colour means? I see that the light blue is a Multiple Use Zone, but WTF does that mean? I'm guessing Green is a no go zone but what about all of the other colours? I couldn't find a legend that went into more detail. The only break down of what the colours were was here http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mbp/reserves/pubs/map-national.pdf but needs more ellaboration.
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Colours
The link below is in kmo's post above.
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mbp/reserves/pubs/sw-zoning-scheme.pdf
Recreational fishing is only banned from IUCN II.
uncle
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does this mean
no more trolling at Staggies for macks, how far out does the zone go out????? I love fishing that area
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http://www.environment.gov.au
http://www.environment.gov.au/coasts/mbp/reserves/images/map-nw-dampier.jpg
From what i gather, you can fish in marine parks but not fish habitat protection zones? So legende island will be ok?
From the link above looks like the shipping chanel markers off point Samson will be off limits???? Hope not!
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wait..
wait a second..will this affect metros or not?
uncle
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in the west today
rowingboat says it effects Staggies reef!
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Everyone on here that's
Everyone on here that's asking "does it effect my spot?", saying "oh it's ok,i can still fish there/here". That's not what you should be asking and saying, you should be questioning the overall legitimacy of this whole process and getting informed. After all rec fishing is our passion, I know it's mine, it's not just something I do for a bit of fun or to relax, it's a huge part of my life. If you feel the same way, but feel you can't make a difference, then at least join RecFishWest. They will fight as hard as they possibly can on your behalf, for the good of rec fishing. Anyone who disagrees with me about Recfishwest, then that's fine, though one thing I would suggest is to actually give them a call or go and have a chat in person, and you'll find that every single person that gives their time at RFW is, at the end of the day a keen as hell rec fisher, and they want the same thing(s) that any rec fisher wants.