Fisheries corruption

The Corruption and Crime Commission (CCC) tabled a report this morning on the Investigation of Alleged Misconduct Concerning Officers of the Department of Fisheries. It is stressed that the CCC notes that these findings are matters of opinion only and ‘…is not to be taken as, a finding or opinion that Mr Millington a criminal or disciplinary offence’.


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warning

Thu, 2008-10-30 13:32

Just a warning for anyone thinking of commenting on this, be very very very careful as nothings been proven yet and could open a whole can of legal worms.  The dept does read this site and any thing said could be used against you.  (has nothing to do with me, I'm just trying to make sure you guys are aware of potential consequences - I thought of taking this post down but assume someone will bring it up in due time)

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Unresserved appoligy

Fri, 2008-10-31 15:53

Adam,I appoligies if my comments brought any risk or discomfort to you personally,this was not my intention,its just that I get so pissed off sometimes when I see/read-hear about what happens in our society,I will write an apology if you think I need too  to protect you and your site jerseyFoot in mouthor if you want to ban me I will understand,once more I am sorry

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More info

Thu, 2008-10-30 13:44

There's some info on the PerthNOW website under West Australian News - I won't quote it here per what Adam has just said. However, I do think it would be extremely premature to start broadbrushing.

 

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Yes I've read it also Adam/Colin2

Thu, 2008-10-30 14:23

 

 

 

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Why be nice? Everyone else

Thu, 2008-10-30 16:02

Why be nice?

Everyone else is guilty till proven guilty!!!

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Yep have seen that happen on

Thu, 2008-10-30 17:33

Yep have seen that happen on this site before  maybe because fisheries can fight back  a few people will watch there P's and Q's because they want to keep their houses and little tubs

 

 

 

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   an opinion is an

Thu, 2008-10-30 17:53

 

 an opinion is an opinion..... cant be held liable for an opinion as far as im aware.... the day that happens is the day the government will cut peoples tongues out...... mind you thats only my opinion..... Laughing

by the way, not only this site so dont go there otherwise you might see a lot of opinions in response

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Good one Jes

Fri, 2008-10-31 08:21

Umm, an opinion which is defamatory and not true to fact is LIABLE!! Undecided But hey, I'm a little precious until he's proven guilty or the claims true.......  Like I said, go for gold son.

 

In law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government or nation a negative image. Slander refers to a malicious, false, and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Related to defamation is public disclosure of private facts which arises where one person reveals information which is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person.

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You wouldn't be a "Federal

Thu, 2008-10-30 19:40

You wouldn't be a "Federal Dutch Soldier" by any chance would you!

I think so!

Sorry chief youve lost me?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 

 

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Early stages

Thu, 2008-10-30 19:57

As currently published on the Perth NOW website, what we have at the moment is a parliamentary report naming the acting chief executive officer with details on a tip off and the article goes on to name two departmental officers who are reported to have since left the department.

Obviously, without the need for premature judgement, it is a cause for great concern as echoed by the Minister's reported 'concern about the findings' and that (as reported) the Minister 'wanted (the reported acting chief executive officer) stripped of his position'.

Yes, reality is that, as a general comment and not on the report, you will, unfortunately, get corruption in public AND private enterprise. Historical prosecutions have removed that from doubt. Of course, that doesn't make it right, comfortable or avoids people being incensed about it.

One thing I'm sure, having worked in a large number of government departments, including WAPOL, (and as Big John said in another thread), there will always be bad apples. Fortunately, these are always in the minority and it's not a conclusive indicator of systemic organisational 'rot'. I think it would be very wrong to judge  and promulgate otherwise.This would incorrectly hurt a lot of very passionate, dedicated and innocent people.

However; without specific judgement or prejudice, should anyone in a position of responsibility, be found to be usurping the credibility of that position and therefore bring discreditability upon that office / position, then they deserve to be held accountable for unnecessary and potentially uncalculable damage.  

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colin you should you be

Thu, 2008-10-30 20:06

colin you should you be politician..... they usually give a big speill and throw in a lot of bigger words and phrases....lol

 

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Colin, say what

Thu, 2008-10-30 20:13

Colin, say what ?????

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Cols Thesaurus

Fri, 2008-10-31 06:02

Cols Thesaurus usage, may just end up with him getting a sore-@ss at this rate.
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Bit of a storm

Fri, 2008-10-31 07:17

in a teacup isn't it? At the moment it's allegations only as far as i can see and is pretty small beer compared to some things that go on.

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Sure, but anything that

Fri, 2008-10-31 07:19

Sure, but anything that takes the heat of the ministers is worth reporting :P

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Yup

Fri, 2008-10-31 07:43

 

1)Pragmatically sad is not an alleged crime by a Public servant/s but something like world hunger.

LOL - That was about how I feel.

2)Great respect for dedicated and working people will never change its just the shit that gets found out as it tends to float!

Yup, true - but, under these circumstances, the overall good that people do tends to be forgotten about, or at least not focused on, or worse, can get usurped.

3)Genuine sympathy for the Fisheries Minister will be earnt as he will be judged by the decisions he makes and so far he has made some good ones.It is not his fault he has some alleged rotten eggs and no reasonable person will blame him for that!

Not his fault - absolutely. No reasonable person wouldn't - but we can't assume that everyone will be reasonable about that. Even with that asside, it's a headache that I'm sure the Minister could do without. Especially as he is still a (relatively) new Minister and has a lot of issues to consider.  

The tabling of this is what he needs as he will be judged by it and may come out smelling of roses  ....

Yup, and I'm sure he will act quickly and diligently through due (and required) process.

 

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Interesting read thats for

Fri, 2008-10-31 08:08

Interesting read thats for sure....

On another note, did anyoen happen to see what happened to the cray fish and abalone ring thing that happened recently on the west coast??

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Minister responds to CCC report into misconduct allegations

Fri, 2008-10-31 08:53

Media Statement

“I have read the Corruption and Crime Commission’s report and am concerned at the findings,” Fisheries Minister Norman Moore said today.

“I take the report concerning acting chief executive officer Peter Millington seriously and, as recommended by the CCC, the matter will be dealt with by the Director General of the Department of the Premier and Cabinet.
“Mr Millington is currently on leave and I have sought to have his position as acting chief executive officer revoked.”

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Storming Norman

Fri, 2008-10-31 09:46

Seems old Storming Norman takes no prisoners!!!!!

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Correct me

Fri, 2008-10-31 13:19

 if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that if you stated, "I allege that Mr X did so and so," that you couldn't get sued or has the laws changed, as on the TV you always here the news readers state the alleged crime or is it different for public servants, one law for them and one law for us the common folk, just a query and just my opinion???

 

 

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You can state the facts

Fri, 2008-10-31 13:30

You can state the facts, but if you express your opinion which is derogatory, slanderous, liablious etc, then you could be in for trouble.  For eg.  If I was accused of a crime, and you call me a crook and I'm proven not guilty, I can sue you.  (pretty sure thats how it works, but hey, I'm no lawyer so don't sue me) Wink

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thank you

Fri, 2008-10-31 13:46

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hmmm very interesting!!!! :)

Fri, 2008-10-31 16:01

hmmm very interesting!!!! :)

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It is a grey area

Fri, 2008-10-31 13:44

A rugby reporter I worked with reported that a player had put on a lot of weight during the off season. Despite clear evidence that the guy had packed on quite a few kilos, he won the defamation suit.
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you go and "allege " that

Fri, 2008-10-31 13:51

you go and "allege " that your wife or girlfriend packed on the kilo's over winter and then see how that hurts you!!!!;-)

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i allege that this is all a

Sat, 2008-11-01 02:11

i allege that this is all a load of hog wash...... i can walk up to an officer of the law and say " it is in my opinion your an asshole" and there is stuff all he can do about it.... yeah sure he can take me to court but as long as i state it is my "opinion" then there is f**k all he or the courts can do about it..... it is my opinion and my opinion alone..... why do you think everyone on this site puts in most of their posts "imo"???? get real people.... just imagine if  the courts were all of a sudden back logged with people fronting the magistrate because they stated their opinion.....their would be no time for the courts to deal with the real criminals...... in my opinion some people on this site are full of it and need to wake up.....

 

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IMO

Sat, 2008-11-01 10:20

Ya right boofhead but they would stitch ya up some other way! JMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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LOL

Sat, 2008-11-01 09:45

Verbal conversation is different, its your word vs his word and difficult to prove. But if your going to write something, which can be printed, saved etc etc, then it can be easily used in a court of law against you.

 

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