Fcv 585 or hds 10?
Submitted by Caza on Thu, 2011-12-08 19:10
Hey guys gonna run into a bit of cash over chrissy good old Christmas bonus and want to upgrade my sounder been lookin at either a fcv 585 or a hds 8 or 10 and one have and feedback or recommendations price limit prob about 3000
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fisho-ron
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do a search mate, been
do a search mate, been disscused many times.
majority like the 585, i have used one (on another boat) and found my hds to be better for me. i have the hds10 and much prefer that, but it could of been the way the boat owner had the 585 set???
also mate. i like the bigger screen on the hds10, found the 585 screen was to small when you split it?
i also run a hds8 as the gps, 1 cable and they talk to each other as well. so so easy.
on the 585 i think it gets a little complicated to do this.
i dont think you would go wrong with either mate.
till
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If you want a really good
If you want a really good sounder, get the Furuno FCV-585.
The lowrance is a very average sounder but really not bad as a GPS.
I know there is a pair of transducers and maybe matching box, to suit the FCV-585, and others, coming up soon. They suit transom mount, although you can stick them down, inside the hull on a fiberglass boat as well.
The models are the Furuno CA-50B-9B (1kW, 50kHz) and Furuno CA200B-8B (2kW, 200kHz).
Grooveepants
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I was in this pickle a couple of weeks back
I ended up going the HDS 10 because I wanted the extra features the HDS 10 had over a straight sounder at the same price tag.
Lets face it, if you already have a good plotter/GPS, then everyone on here says go for the 585. If you don't have a good plotter/GPS and if you don't have the coin (like me) then go the HDS 10.
I haven't hooked it up yet so I can't comment on the quality but currenlty I don't fish over 120m so I figure I won't need anything to over the top for now. If I do need to go deeper I will invest in a 1kw transducer later on down the track.
If you do a lot of shallow fishing, then you also have the option for structure scan which after a discussion with Roscopio, sounds pretty awesome.
Nauti Buoy
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Average sounder
Till
On what basis do you believe the HDS is a bad sounder (ie not good in deep water, too hard to use etc etc). I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion- but i have used both and i would not call one really bad against the other.
I seem to recall Adam removing a thread when people questioned some Toyota dealers integrity- yet we can bag other equipment manufacturers without question. Are Furuno a sponsor?
I like both, we have a Furuno and a Lowrance in our boat and i believe they are both very good- Furuno better as you get deeper, but marginally.
till
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First off, I don't sell
First off, I don't sell either Lowrance or Furuno, in the past I was a happy Raymarine owner.
I think the Lowrance gear is over sold, they say you can do really well out of the broadband stuff with cheaper trannies, but I have been on boats where people have been very dissapointed with the results.
I've personally been on boats where there is noise somewhere in the screen, and no amount of tweaking clears it up, its up the top, or the bottom or somewhere.
In at least one case the owner swapped between the same 600W tranny, and then later a 1kW job, between a HDS-10 and a FCV-585. The owner was very dissappointed with the results of the tranny upgrade and went Furuno. I've seen that install running, its one of my faves.
Personally, if I was spending time regularly past the 100m mark, I'd buy Furuno.
snappermiles
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i have both in my boat
the lowrance when set right is great for picking up ground but the 585 is better for picking up fish! if you are using it solely for a sounder i would be buying the 585! with your budget id try fit in a 1kw transducer too
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Caza
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I think the biggest thing
I think the biggest thing for me would be to find ground I've got a lowrance on the tub already so know my way around them I have heard that furnos can be a tad tricky seen good reviews on hds 10
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hooty
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Ill be holding off buying any
Ill be holding off buying any new sonar gear untill the chirp technology becomes a bit cheaper. This new technology is good for 10000 feet and can discriminate fish that 3cm apart, so they say. The garmin gsd 24 sounder module go,s for round $749 australian. That doesnt include the display and transducer though, but with 3k to spend you might fit it in. Whilst the hds10 and 585 both work they are old technology, and from all the reviews Im reading, dont even come close to the chirp sounders.
till
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Could be a good tip there!
Could be a good tip there! Furuno have had it in their commercial gear for years now and a little seems to be sneaking into the market for the rec market!
Tony Halliday
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says who? Chirp technology
says who? Chirp technology is a bit like 3D telly...
A well set up FCV585 with a very good transducer ( not your run of the mill transom mount) will match the chirp unit, if not better.
Go have a look what the east coast marlin boys are now doing!!! they all fitting the new black box Furuno setups with the FCV585 guts in it basicly.
Not one single fishing mag has been able to do a true back to back comparison in more than 8 years on the sounders! I wonder why?
Take a Furuno FCV585 on a good wet box, compared with a DHS10 and a Garmin chirp and run them all back to back is what I'd like to see.
ps for $3k, you can get dam good set up, depending on your priorities.
Fancy big GPS screen or sounder that finds fish? you make the call!
As for me, I went FCV295, 2kw 200mhz transducer & 5kw 50mhz transducer, and an old second hand Furuno GP1650 for GPS. The image size of your GPS is not important, what is, is the accuracy of your GPS and it'a ability to put you on your spot....
the sounder does the hard work finfing the fish
and the transducers make the difference..... 
( my transducers are worth double the cost of my sounder... go figure it out ) oh and my electronics on my boat is worth 50% of my boats insured value... 
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Nauti Buoy
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Tony
How do you find the GP1650 as a GPS, i think they are one of the worst and most user-unfriendly GPS's i have used. If not too rude how much did your setup cost?
till
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Nauti Buoy: I probably agree
Nauti Buoy: I probably agree with you, not a big fan of their smaller combos. I hope their new units match the standard set by the navnet3d stuff.
Tony: I probably disagree with you about chirp. I'd say that the broadband stuff is all like 3d-tv, where as chirp is the real deal. Chirp is used for the commercial sounders by Furuno, and is now working it's way into the rec market.
Lastchance
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I think one of the advantages
I think one of the advantages of the GP1650 is that it can predict cyclones, vote Liberal and allow people to swim with man-eating Great Whites. That said, however, after looking at old mates boat it wouldnt take much for the electronics to amount to half of the 'insured value'.
Better order my 585 right away, dont want to miss any of the action!
Lamby
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Lol
Lol
Tony Halliday
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Lastchance ahhh you one of
Lastchance ahhh you one of the converted.
As for the GP1650, I use it only in the River or fun runs to Rotto.
Not very user friendly, you right there, but once you got the nack it's ok.
I mainly use it to interface with the FCV295 and the Max Sea Pro chart plotting system I now run on my PC onboard.
The advantage of running the GP1650 for me, is that it still gives me water temp via the standard P66 transducer and with the NEMA bridge netwrok I have, then I have a full intergrated information package. I also use a Furuno digital deacon unit, that makes my system even more accurate ( to almost commercail vessel level)
And yes I am mates with the main distributor, never hiden the fact. But I tend to buy the best, even if it's from people other than my mates.
I have had Hummingbird Sidescans, Lowrance units and even like the Simrad units as a " combo" ( yes I was at the launch of the Simrad units and liked what I saw
)
As for costs, well....
FCV1650 and Digital Beacon unit where E-bay bargains
FCV295 was over $4k, Tranducers where $2,5k & $1,5 a pop each, and Max Sea Pro costs over $5k!
yes it's an over kill. Then so is owning a 317kw HSV in a 110km/hr speedlimit state....
I like my toys.....
if I was ever to buy a new boat again, I'd not make the very basic mistake I made with my first big boat here in WA.
Spending over $65k on the boat and $700 on the sounder /GPS combo and wondering why I battled to find good ground and fish.
If I had to spend say $50k again, I'd put aside 10% at least of that for sounder and GPS, then have a much better time catching fish on a $45k boat with great electronics.
but hey thats just my view,,,,
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Lastchance
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Tony, I used to strive to get
Tony, I used to strive to get the best possible product I could as well and thought I was doing a pretty good job.
However, some products dont stay as good as they once were for as long as one would hope. Seems to be about 6 months after you marry it.
Shame really, as I cant see myself taking the risk with another product for fear of a similar outcome.
Stay Cool Brother!
Tony Halliday
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Classic mate Classic I'm
Classic mate Classic
I'm still with my " orginal purchase" from 20 years ago too!!! lol
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smiley
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little bias
i think tony, alright to back up furuno when your are good mates with the distrubutor
Tony Halliday
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I'm also good mates with a
I'm also good mates with a Simrad distributor and a Navico dealer as well....
so whats your point???
me bias??? NEVER lol... of course I'm bias to what I use on my boat.
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
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sea-kem
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Wrapped with the 585 so far
Wrapped with the 585 so far and it's a lot easier to use than my old Lowrance. But saying that I've kept the lowrance on board for the GPS which I reckon is excellent.
Love the West!
Dizzy
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Get the new Gen2 HDS -
Get the new Gen2 HDS - Broadband Sounder, so should be chirp compatible with the right module & transducer, no ?
Run a conventional Transducer first, until the BB stuff comes down in price - then upgrade.
Tony Halliday
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easy, FCV585 with mathcing
easy, FCV585 with mathcing box and B50-200 - 1T transducer.
Will knock the socks off a HDS any day of the week!
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Oceanside Tackle
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feedback -
Caza, the FCV585 will give you a cleaner & easier to read screen over the HDS sounders.
We sell both brands but at that level the Furuno has it and especially if you step out deeper at a later stage.
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Dizzy
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Would be interesting to hear
Would be interesting to hear your comparison with the Gen2 HDS when it starts shipping ?
Tony Halliday
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watch thsi space for the
watch thsi space for the Furuno FCV585 upgrade coming!!!!
Not saying any more, or I'll get my nuts cut out ....lol
But a whole new ball game coming ......
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Dizzy
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Ooo, the plot thickens.
Ooo, the plot thickens.
till
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Ahh there was mention of new
Ahh there was mention of new furuno gear on the forum a few weeks back, but it won't be until some time next year.
Caza
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Got a bunch of mixed reviews
Got a bunch of mixed reviews Blake what is your prices between the two the deapest I have fished is about 33 m but that will change soon
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ok -
Will send you a PM Caza
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585 may have the edge deep 200m etc
if going deeper than 100 m regularly, buy a commercial furuno, not a 585. but if u want to find ground easier and find for example, the old robs jetty lol, i dare u to beyt me u will find itquicker on a 585. way easier on structure scan on hds.i find the lumps that ppl call their seret spots lol but yeah, i struggle past 200 m with a 600 tranny.another bous u can rewind an mark spots from hrs ago on a hds, including stucture scan.....
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Caza
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Cheers Blake appreciate it
Cheers Blake appreciate it champ
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hooty
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This sounds a whole lot like
This sounds a whole lot like ford v,s holden. If your interested in chip technology here is one of many web sites available -
http://www.marlinmag.com/boats/marine-electronics/chirps-and-pings
You will see as the article states, Furuno and all the other brands are developing the same tecnology. We have seen the improvement with digital sounders, this is just another improvement.
Chirp says who ? As for it being the same as 3D telly. I am yet to read and independant article that isnt positive on the results yet. Not only are they positive the results are stated to be significant. The technology has been used in high tech military appliactions for years. So in summary the specialists and the experts are the ones whor are saying Chirp, Chirp, Chirp.
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Tomcat
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Agree
Hooty best comment so far
grayzeee
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as a furuno user , i'm very
as a furuno user , i'm very interested in the new chirp tech.
if the 585 was a pc , it'd be redundant , few years old now.
don't get me wrong , it's good , but it has also been a bit of a let down in some area's (with my 1kw tranny mount)
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
till
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Hey what is your underfloor
Hey what is your underfloor access like on that hull?
You could try moving the tranny inside the hull in a bag of water till you find a good spot then either stick it down or wetbox it.
Much like johnf said in a previous thread, tranny mounting is a separate crtical problem that also has to be solved.
grayzeee
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I may try that. access is
I may try that. access is there .
I was refering to the shallow (sub 30m) soundings of flat coral rather than the deeps where i expected probs. That needed really dialing in to even see , so it wasn't the fact of interference at all, but it's def an avenue i need to go down.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
allrounder
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People that spend over the top amounts for gps and sounders
for a rec boat have lost the plot IMO.Caza either will do the job mate i run a older style semi commercial unit furuno and an a65 raymarine and find both are good it more comes down to knowing what the info you are seeing means.It comes down to getting out there with some mates and having some fun and coming back with a bit of a feed not who has the biggest sounder.We will have to start a new thread on who has the biggest TRANNY on their boat.lol
.Think of it this way if you have a tv that is middle of the range and your mate has a wizzbang top of the line lcd digital high res one and you are watching the same porn dvd he is going to see the pimple on the chicks ass a bit clearer than you are.
See top of the range is not always best for you after all.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
CCC
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A couple of weeks ago i was
A couple of weeks ago i was invited out on sea trails with the CHIRP rigged to an NSS 12 Simrad for a day playing around of the back of Rotto. It really will start to perform in depths off 100m plus. I didnt play with the sounder to much as the navico(simrad lowrance) guy was working with the unit most of the day.
CCC
Tony Halliday
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrs_GMnbDSg
some fishing using a FDV585 in this video, nice screen shots as well
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Tony Halliday
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by the way Furuno has had
by the way Furuno has had chir technology on it's high end commercial units for over five years, but has not intergrated it yet into it's rec-sounder range.
For Furuno the rec market is less than 5% of their sales world wide, with commercial units the bulk of their trade.
Just to let you know how in demand the FCV585 still is, their is a back order of over 120units on the National distributor and they can not fill orders fast enough!
As the dealers, they will tell.
It may be old, but it's still the best dam all rounder in the market for a dedicated rec-fishing sounder in my books.
but hey it's my view and yeah a Ford - Holden thing is a way too.
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
tolch10
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Chirp install
Hi all
Well I have just got rid of my HDS 10 with thru hull transducer and fitted Chirp on the weekend.
HDS was great but very sensitive to noise. We have used it extensivley with great results but time to try something new.
We have put in a Simrad NSE 12 ( awesome ) a Simrad BSM2 which drives the latest Airmar R599 LM wet box thru hull transducer.
All supplied by at Chivers Marine.
We will wet the boat for the first time this week and I will post some screen shots for you to have a look at.
From all the extensive research we have done Chirp is the future of recreational sounding so lets hope the results stack up
dkonig82
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Really looking forward to the
Really looking forward to the screen shots! Interesting stuff
When asked by a non-fisherman 'how many fishing rods do you really need?' the correct answer is either:
n+1 (where n is the number of fishing rods you currently own); or
n-1 (where n is the number of fishing rods which would cause your significant other to dump you.
Lastchance
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CCC
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Hi GuysGetting a good laugh
Hi Guys
Getting a good laugh out of this post, there is an old saying "The proof is in the Pudding". How about we do some more serious posts including pics of fish caught with screen shots showing gound holding fish from the sounder.
Most good quality sounders in the right hands will get you on the fish!! I've owned Furuno, Lowarance and just recently changed over to a Simrad NSS12. All got me on good fish and all have pros and cons.
I recently had the pleasure of having both the Simrad NSS12 and the Lowrance HDS10 on my boat at the same time with Paul from Navico(simrad/Lowrance) and Luke Chivers Marine. The way they can fine tune these units need to be seen!!
Checkout the below post from trip
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/coral-bay-3-day-adventure
Cheers
CCC
STEVE231
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Always a good laugh.....
Always a good laugh.....