expensive day out for my mate
trip to South West Bank , predicted glass off conditions , on the way out quite large swells , made things tough in my little boat , coming home was better , but it was worse for my mate he caught 2 black arse one went 34cm and the second one went just a touch over 30 cm they were the only decent fish caught for the day on the way back to point perron my mates rod bounces out of the rod holder and hits the deck result bail arm holder on his stradic fj 8000 snaps clean of . when we get back to pp fisheries are waiting , polite young woman asks if she can have a look at or catch told her no worries she plucks the smaller black arse out of the ice slurry are you sure this is 30 cms my mate says yes was just over when measured when first caught . Fisheries girl says I need to measure it with our ruler , turns out it is 3mm under , my mate tried to explain the fact of cold water and shrinkage ( as every man knows cold water equals shrinkage of parts of anatomy )she couldn't understand what he meant and ended up with a S200 fine, I thought it was going to me at first with the fine but my mate said although it was my boat , he had skippered it for the day, I have told him I will go halves in the fine, he asked how about the reel repairs it was your boat , he is my best mate but I told him don't push it haha
troy fuller
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I was on a mates center
I was on a mates center console
coming back from a sambo bash and his new rod holders he had just got made up snapped with the rod in it and hit me in the head and sunk like a brick.. Saragossa and terez gone...,
lucky as I always have my Stella's up there... Don't trust rod holders anymore.. Dodgy welds
clogwog
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Date Joined: 01/02/11
No good for you or your mate
No good for you or your mate but gotta say a 30cm black arse is hardly worth keeping, I know it is the limit but as far as I am concerned the amount of meat you get of a 30 cm specimen is pitifull. I generally put them back if they are under 40cm.
petermac
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fair coment mate
but when you have been spoilt over the years like me and my mate have fish wise living in the north west , and then moving to the metro and having to learn a completely different way of fishing and trying to find some productive ground between us we now have in 18 months 2 size dhuies 2 size black arse, countless undersize pinkiys a couple of hundred sand whiting , and 1 huge KGW (well we thought it was huge)and to many pesky sambos , oh yea and just to make us feel at home a few Nor West blowies
clogwog
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Date Joined: 01/02/11
Hey Pete, was not trying to
Hey Pete, was not trying to sound like a smart arse so sorry if it came across like that. Gotta say metro is definetly tough, I've had a real lean patch lately, the next few months should be pretty good though, you'd be surprised at what you can catch in close at Peron
petermac
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Date Joined: 03/03/10
no mate
all good
catchalittle
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Pete next time they want to
Pete next time they want to come on your boat ask them to take their boots off they sort of lose intrest then not that Ive got anything to hide but I always say that to them as I dont want black marks on the deck and they generally just walk off
Nathan
mjohns
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Date Joined: 11/01/07
Cooked whole might be a
Cooked whole might be a reasonable meal, nothing wrong with a nice small fresh sambo either pete.
Sounds like a tough day anyway, better luck next time hey
chris raff
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Date Joined: 09/02/10
Gotta learn how to neck and
Gotta learn how to neck and stretch em better Pete , 3mm struth they must have been having a slow day .. definately get some shrinkage once in ice just have to allow for it if it's close I guess . However Tom Percy would've got you off ..
Keep the chin up there's 20kg dhu with your name on it somewhere .
“Intelligence is like a four-wheel drive. It only allows you to get stuck in more remote places.”
beau
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As clogwog said try in
As clogwog said try in closer. Weve caught 7 pinkies down your neck of the woods last 3 days biggest 85cms, also a 40cm odd blackass and chased schools of tuna around, no more than 10mins from Port Kennedy ramp no deeper than 13m
cudbfishn
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Date Joined: 06/04/09
For that reason we only keep
For that reason we only keep fish 2cm over the limit. Seen it too many times.
opsrey
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Could have got a written warning.
Toss bags don't have a clue when it comes to building respect and the like. 3mm, what was she having PMT? And $200 is just stupid shit. Toss bags.
A written warning would have been much better result for all, trouble is they have to pay for their OT.
grantarctic1
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Date Joined: 03/03/11
Bit harsh
Yeah , a bit harsh. I have no idea why blackbums are even part of the demersal bag limit. I constantly see them floating on the surface because a fisho wanted to upgrade to a better fish.(IMO )
But we all should check the stickers and brag mats used to measure fish. After seeing it on FW a while ago( how they can be wrong ) I run a tape measure over them and correct the issue. I also bought a crab gauge not long ago that was 1mm under the legal size, i know fisheries won't care and would have charged me if i had undersize crab's.
Even the fisheries sticker/ruler, say's " this is only a guide "
Goodz
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If you argue the fish has
If you argue the fish has shrunk in the cold then maybe that should have been considered before it was kept in my opinion. 3mm is a lot of shrinkage.
twicther
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Too close too call
Hard luck Pete. I opted to release a 55.5 cm barra the other day worried about shrinkage. I know a 55 cm fish is small but on the day we boated 3 undersize barra and the only fish that would have been nice in the esky were lost boatside. Thats fishing, otherwise it would be called catching.
Scotte
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Yeah tough break pete. That's
Yeah tough break pete. That's where a bit of descretion should come in.i reckon there assholes..3mm is bugger all..
catchalittle
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thats tough didnt see
thats tough didnt see fisheries at freo ramp at all yesterday deckie caught a dhuie that was just sized and mentioned to him about shrinkage hence it went back with the release weight was pretty quiet on the water yesterday except for the tuna we saw jumping
Nathan
Vinesh87
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Date Joined: 02/04/11
Far out if they are that
Far out if they are that close i dont even bother... Especially if your using a brag mat. We use a sewing tape measure for accuracy!
But i know the fisheries girl you are talking about, she came onto my boat a while back... Nothing to ping us for but she tried, was a rather interesting conversation....
dumper
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Date Joined: 03/04/08
Probably the Same bird that
Probably the Same bird that tried accusing us we had a hidden compartment below deck. She was trying to get us to remove the carpet but it was fully glued down but she was still adamant we had a kill tank full of fish. A little too keen
MandurahMatt
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Hard lesson there, as
Hard lesson there, as mentioned above I all ways go an extra 1-2cm so there can be no confusion.
Bewdey Fellaz
lame
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any doubt chuck it back had
any doubt chuck it back had plenty i've had to put back as too close to borderline (+5mm) .... not much is it
as you'll see by the reports of the tagged fish on here most aren't fast growing , most legal sizes are so the fish would of had atleast 1 breeding season before being dinner that 3mm could be the difference
suck it up princess :)
uncle
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thats bloody harsh
did he have previous, no a few blokes that have only got a warning for something like that, as others have said theres nothing very much to eat,throw em back
all aggressive fish love bigjohnsjigs
petermac
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Date Joined: 03/03/10
no previous
he has never been done before
carnarvonite
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Size
I measure my fish to the fork , not the tips of the tail, that way you are covered. For fish with paddle tails always give at least 25mm
Notorious
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We were out at SouthWest
We were out at SouthWest bank yesterday too, spearo's on a white cootacraft :D
forecast turned rough so we headed to FFB
https://www.facebook.com/groups/174055815943047/?fref=nf
Bunny
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Date Joined: 05/08/10
Be careful using a tape
Be careful using a tape measure as Vinesh said. The extra length gained by the tape wrapping around the body can be considerable. Proper measurements are taken by a flat measuring device and will be shorter. If you're one who keeps fish right on their limit it will catch you out eventually.
pale ale
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Brag mats are out by about
Brag mats are out by about 4cm at the magical meter mark!
petermac
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the thing is bokes
my mate didn't try to hide any thing and he believed it measured size , what pissed me of was she said we will measure it with our measure which turns out to be a steel rule that was siting in the sun , as an instro elecy I know the fact that is that steel 1 meter rule left in the sun on a 38 degree day could grow buy more that 3mm and the more accurate measure was the sticker on the boat
sea-kem
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Errr I don't think so mate.
Errr I don't think so mate. Most rulers are stainless and and you'd be battling to get it to grow half a mm, I've been in the steel game for 30 years and know all about how steel grows and shrinks. Maybe just maybe if you put an oxy to it and hammered it to make it stretch. You're clutching at straws Peter, just accept the fact that you mate was pinged fair and square and make more of an effort next time to ensure your fish are size.
Love the West!
petermac
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touchee
but it was a rusty old mild steel ruler
Rob H
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even on that scale Pete, a
even on that scale Pete, a 30cm fish would be 1mm difference. Your mate didnt give any lip did he?
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
petermac
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no didnt give lip
he isn't the type to give lip he is a tough barstard but when he around women he is old school polite
Willy
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Similar sort of thing
Similar sort of thing happened to a mate of mine. Fisheries came onbaord our boat, inspected our crays. My mate had one that suspect setose. One fisheries guy said 'I think this is setose?' asked his mate to confirm, he wasn't sure. So they took his details, he ended up with a fine???????/
If fisheries can't be sure, what chance do we have?
Surely if they couldn't decide, he should have got a caution.
I was happy to go to court should he wish to fight it, but he declined
Willy
meglodon
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Isn't it marvalous
I think fisheries do on the whole a good job and they do a necessary job other wise we would end up like a banana republic without any bandannas. However no matter what you get from fisheries it always comes with an escape clause, i.e.; fishing ruler "this is only a guide" don't try to use it is a defence in court. Then any correspondence that comes from them always has an escape paragraph at the bottom of the page that basically says, if this advice is wrong you can't hold us responsible for the advice we have given you.
A couple of questions go begging, is this because no one will fess up to making a decision about anything in case they have got it wrong, or we can not be sure that the advice and or tool (fishing size ruler) will be used in the correct way.
What carnarvonite says about measuring fish is true, it's best to make sure your catch is 5 - 10mm over size (as per fisheries rule) than right on size.
Just my view on the keeping fish of the right size
petermac
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megladon
totally agree with your comments , my mate is happy to pay the fine if it was me I would challenge that a steel rule left in the sun could grow over 3mm and then isn't accurate, I was nearly going to ask her for the cal sticker , For the uninformed any revinue raising devise needs to be calibrated minumin of ever 3 months , they are thing like parking meters they should also have a cal sticker on them in car speed radars are supposed to be tested every day by the cops the simple fact is as far as I have seen less than 10 % can do the test properly , the test is done with a tuneing fork
meglodon
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Right on Peermac
Nothing like a NATA certificate to sort the wheat from the mice shit