Comments to forum topics
Submitted by Paul G on Mon, 2013-04-01 16:50
It seem that only the odd topic now attracts much interest .with only a couple of comments and hundreds off views ,are people getting bored with the same old thing or just can't be bothered.It's nice to get comments on vids,reports and pics it makes it worth the effort.,I'm sure there are others thinking the same thing or is it just me.
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catchalittle
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true but sometimes people are
true but sometimes people are asking the same question and not useing the search button,
Nathan
southcity104
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true paul
but i still enjoy and appreciate reports, vids ,photos ect.
"Its a life style job"
MattMiller
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More use
of the search funtion by newer members would clean out quite a few of the repeated questions and topics.
Reports, vids and pics are always welcome and what this site is built on
Snags
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Agreed!
The repeated thread topics are predictable too.
Reports and pics of tailor/mulloway/sharks/anything being caught always results in new threads asking where the best spots are, best times, type of rigs and bait!
If only those people realised it is actually quicker to search for the answer, rather than to create a new thread and wait for responses.
Paul G
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I to love to see good reports
I to love to see good reports and vids and pics . But do make the effort to comment most times.there are so many new people on the site adding material for others enjoyment ,it is nice for them to receive some positive comments for there efforts,and not just to see three hundred people have looked and not bothered to say well done or great report .I know a lot of the long time site users don't post anymore for this reason.
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wadetolley
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Things
Things have changed big time Paul. Mostly i think when you get a question asked on here, the is certain people that will answer everyone of them with in 10 secs of being posted throw in a couple of big words, and think the know everything about the topic. Then what happens, is someone else makes a suggestion..and the first poster is then telling them that there wrong. When you log on every day and see this pattern occuring, then you stop posting. All the lurkers out there would love to make a comment, but instead there not..as they dont want to be shot down. The text typing is not fun reading, but at the same time it shits me to tears, to see someone get smashed over there spelling ect. We are all different, but we all have fishing in common, so that should be enough!
Vinesh87
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Comments do seem down, and
Comments do seem down, and not only on the posts that have been asked 100 times. Some days i can't even find a decky !!
pricey10
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And after a few times you
And after a few times you give out advice with no thank you etc I give up on it
Karratha. WA
Paul G
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Yep with you on that one
Yep with you on that one .have meet some top people from the site and probable some life time freinds
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Berin
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no comment
Plenty of lurkers here I am sure. Plenty of warriors as well. Still, a great site for what is biting and some great reports (jettyrat, poddyfish) as well as some classy political commentary.....canarvonite.....for pm.......
I come home with zilch nada kaput F%#k all about 50% of the time but I do try to mix it up and target different species and areas. I rate this site for the crew that give ANY details at all about a recent catch, be it bait or spot or time or whatever. This site has its fair share of bad news but it still has the best news online, amount of reads is just one sign, I really dig a good rant though.....
WADRay
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hate to be the devils
hate to be the devils advocate here but stuff changes incase you guys had not noticed, a question answered 6 months ago will most likely have a different answer now...the old use the search function is just people being bitchy half the time imho, examples I have found is I asked about the nitro rods on 2 forums I got a little help here heaps on another site...if I had got the old search function post a lot im sure thought about it would have been funny as it seems they have had some negavite comments of late that were not an issue 6 months ago... if it was you looking for info im sure you would use everything including botb tbe search and asking the question too
MattMiller
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I agree
with you to a point Ray. 12 threads about the location of Salmon within a week is a bit much
WADRay
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+1 on thatIll have gear
+1 on that
Ill have gear tomorrow wanna go for a fish?
MattMiller
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Yeah
if I didn't have 70hrs+ of work ahead of me this week
fisherking
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& sometimes you make the
& sometimes you make the effort just to get shot down in flames.
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crezz
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its great to get comments on
its great to get comments on topics even if every comment is just a "well done mate" kind of thing. i have now learnt that the fishwrecked search button is like a fishing bible.
dan.the.man
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Carefull
I class myself as still fairly ameture so i dont try and give advice very often but I do try to pass on positive comments to catches,photos or good points being raised.
If we can keep the negative stuff to a minimum aswell I'm sure a lot of the lurkers will be more confident to post on topics without fear of back lash as mentioned above.
also where do you find how many reads a post gets?i can only see how many replies it has!
cheers,dan
sea-kem
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Just beneath the subscribe
Just beneath the subscribe link under the initial post.
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kane
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theres lots of smart arses
makes people reluctant to comment if some fuckwit is going to carry on at you. easier just to read and appreciate the post or footage without comment sometimes.
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Rob H
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I think paul may be more
I think paul may be more referring to the trip reports etc.
and for those thinking about posting a report, they dont have to be about banging the biggest fish etc.
In a few days ill put up our Easter 5 day Abrolhos run where we didnt bring much home but did ALOT of exploring just me and my 5 kids.
Will be interesting to see if there is much interest?
For me its about the journey....
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The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Kingfisher549
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Been a member
Have been a member for a few years, stopped reporting or giving info as it doesn't seem to be wanted, when Require advice do not receive it. Just signed back in and things don't seem to have changed
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Adam Gallash
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Huh
You post a thread 8 hours ago at 10pm at night and expect responses and then whinge that you have not received them whilst everyone is asleep preparing to return to work after Easter weekend. That same thread has been posted about 8 times in the last 3 months. Cmon mate, be reasonable.
Ok fellas, whats the solution, how do we fix this?
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Poppy
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Newly Fishwrecked
Guys, I have only recently joined this site, having been, and still am, a member of another top forum. What impresses me about the interaction on Fishwrecked is, there's plenty of it. The comments on the other site, although valuable, seem to have dried right up. I can't get out as much as I'd like, but although I don't make as many posts to either forum, I value the information, humour, brag pics from other members. I've learned a hell of a lot from you regulars. Keep it up.
Cheers
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CityFlicker
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Not meaning to be too
Not meaning to be too critical Adam as I know you intentionally try not to intefere unless things go way over the top but perhaps that's not the way to go. There's alot of stuff gets said on this forum that would not be tolerated on most other forums & maybe it's time for that to change. I know you don't want to have to act like our parents (nor should you have to) & tell us what is acceptable & what isn't but unfortunately it appears to be necessary in this day & age. Many people on here sieze on the slightest little thing in a post & rip into the OP with everyone buying into it & giving the OP a hard time. Even posting a simple photo will often draw comments like "maybe you should get a better camera" or "shame the fish is dead", instead of people simple being gratefull that the poster took the time to share thier capture, which is more than most of the negative commenters do. I've been getting into some great fish lately but I won't post any photos because of those sorts of comments & I'm sure there's plenty of people that feel exactly the same way. Questions about locations, techniques or equipment often end up as an arguement between two members that have given different answers to the OP & then take over the thread bickering among themselves who is right or wrong instead of just giving the OP thier different opinions & leaving it at that. There's many members (especially long time members) that think thier way is the only way & anyone who disagrees with them should be publicly ripped a new one. That kind of thing simply shouldn't be tolerated & warnings/bans should be dished out to them.
I know you have better things to do with your time & it's not what you want to do but I think appointing a couple of moderators that have a long history of not critisising others in a rude way would be a good start. Tell them to be ruthless, deleting negative comments, swearing (I won't let my kids read a lote of the stuff on here) & banning members when necessary. A 'sticky' at the top of each section reminding people to always be polite & respectufull & what isn't acceptable might be helpfull to.
I hope you don't feel offended or take what I've said the wrong way, but you asked for our opinions on how to fix it & mine is that I just really don't see things changing until site policy changes to "zero tolerance" & you are the person with the power to make that happen.
Just because I smile & nod does not mean I believe the crap coming out of your mouth.
All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the privilege.
outdoinit
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Here Here
You hit the nail on the head CityFlicker, not long after I joined I posted a couple of photos of 2 dhuies we caught and released while chasing a few sambos on Jigs, this was during the demersal ban (No law against it) and got slammed by a few idiots saying things like "why would you post these pics during the ban" etc Put me off straight away from posting anything else...
Mind you since then I realise that these Idiots have nothing better to do than sit in front of their computers and bag others...
So now I dont give a sh#t about their comments.
I've spent half my life fishing.. The other half I have wasted..
Rob H
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ditto
ditto outdoinit, hence why I put that line on the bottom of my posts....
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
fisho-ron
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i agree somewhat paul. but if
i agree somewhat paul.
but if there is nothing good to say wouldnt you rather not recive that comment?
i would rather get 5 good replys to 30 boring ones that just say well done!!
on your post mate, they normally get more than the average as a result of the time you put in...like your videos and so on, so i hope this is not putting you off from posting, im sure we would all miss that!!
cheers
ron
WADRay
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Just my opinion, however I
Just my opinion, however I for one would stop coming if you made this place into a zero tolerance forum. To be honest there is nothing worse then the dry crap you get when you take out the "banter". I enjoy the "adult" side of the site and the general feel of the site as it is.
also I don't think it is as bad as this post is "pointing out". I think it is a general attitude thing, and that a large portion of it is due to people posting things about other people's fishing trips that are negative, however sometimes I can understand, it frustrates me for someone to post a photo of a 8kg fish and say its 20, don't post a weight at all is a far better way, but I try hard not to post anything unless it is positive and/or helpful.
I read these forums daily, when I have a question to ask I ask it, I appreciate people whom have used items telling me their experience, this honestly isn't happening as much but you can't force people to post. I refuse to post photos of normal trips out, not because of the site, I don't even post photos on my own Facebook tbh. I have always been this way, it won't change regardless of what you do.
I get that people don't like the "know it all" side of some of the members, or the texting side, but generally each of these people have their own experiences or knowledge to bring to each conversation. If I am that frustrated by an individual I just don't read their posts. The majority of us should be adult enough to do the same.
Maybe the removal of the worst key board warriors is needed, but honestly Adam I think you have the best fishing forum in Australia mate, and I don't think you should be fixing something that is not that broken. When you look at your KPI (log in rates etc) and you see the site is still doing well, then honestly I don't think you need worry that much.
Paul H
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+ 1 for the no to a G
+ 1 for the no to a G rating!!
No matter what you do there will always be keyboard warriors. Just need to take them with a grain of salt and realise they are not worth the bother. If you don't bite they usually go away and sulk or look for another target....
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Mattb123
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As a relative newbie I have
As a relative newbie I have to say I find the search feature to be next to useless, compared to other non-fishing forums I frequent. So that may result in repetitive questions. For example there is a comment recently saying someting like there are a lot of threads about redfin perch lures... but buggered if I can find them.
WADRay
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Use google
Use google type "site:Fishwrecked.com Redfin" into your browser, if google is your browser it will all work out for you. I do this with all websites, make your search as open or as specific as you want and you will get a lot more info.
also if you [put these] it works on an exact phrase.
phope this helps with your searching issues.
crasny1
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Just my opinion, but if a
Just my opinion, but if a question is asked why not answer them, even if it has been asked heaps off times. Its just get the conversation going. The more comments the better and I for one dont mind repeating the knowledge I have over and over again if someone ask.
That way you also learn more "tricks" as others post hteir new or novel ideas. (not correcting my typo!!!!!)
I am not a photo happy fisher and would rather keep fishing than take a photo, but now have a GoPro so might get some shots. I am no photographer and would never claim to be one, bit I would not even bother with a negative comment about that.
Here is a nice shot. Any bad comments welcome.
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crasny1
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Adds
Why was the obvious sarcastic comment about "And it tasted good too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" removed
It is very obvious that it was a joke, and not a troll.
Caught the Red later weighing 6kgs.
It was intended to point out misunderstanding etc.
Neels
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Adam Gallash
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Hi Neels
Sorry mate but I didn't think it was too sarcastic, I think some were defintely going to bite at it and at the moment I just don't have the time 'or patience' trying to clean up the mess. I'm flat strap trying to get the server backed up and this relocation to a new hdd sorted, it ain't easy dealing with the yanks on a different time zone with a different techy each day and then trying to fit that into my techy's time. Getting all that happening whilst dealing with a couple of unhappy sponsors. I'd like to try and keep things hassle free just until I get this sorted, so far my week off is way more intense than work and I only get paid a fraction of the amount to do it.
As for this thread, I guess people either like the site or they don't. I think Andy has summed it up perfectly and with it being so big these days, theres always some who aren't going to like how it changes and the new faces that pop up. But it is always good for people to comment on threads, especially ones people have taken effort to post.
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Paul H
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Cransy, Shame on you -
Cransy, Shame on you - next time at least get a decky to take the picture for you :-)
(that being said I'm often in the same situation of fishing alone)....
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dan.the.man
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Sea kem
Cheers man,i use my i phone so missed it,think I should have gone to specsavers,
sea-kem
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No worries mate. Just
No worries mate. Just started wearing specs myself. Makes things a whole lot bigger lol
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bitten
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lol 879 reads on this one
lol 879 reads on this one
OLD BANGA
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Great site
Adam, you have a great site, as you know you cannot please everybody, just follow your gut feeling if something needs changing, most people I know enjoy the site, we all dont have to agree with everyone else, that would be boring, there have been some great discussions with different points of view expressed, as long as people dont get personal and start making threats, then leave most things as they are. Swearing should not be condoned on the site, there are plenty of ways toe express your feelings than reverting to the same old words, use abit of imagination.
Great site, Adam that a lot of us enjoy reading and being a part of.
Cheers
Old Banga!
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Andy Mac
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Difficult job
Having been a moderator on here for the majority of Fishwrecked's existance, I can tell you with reasonably good authority that moderating a forum of thousands and thousands of users is a very difficult task indeed. We certainly have had our fair share of verbal clashes, keyboard dramas, legal stouches and just about anything you can think about that can be misinterpreted or misunderstood. The sheer volume of traffic on the website (it clearly dwarfs most other fishing sites in WA) has done two things, made it impossible for the moderator team to read every post and secondly (in relation to the point Paul G made in the original post) that the comments are now spread over a lot more threads.
It seems now only the threads with more originality, a bigger wow factor or more controversial content get the large comment numbers. That's simply human nature in a world of unlimited information at your fingertips. I am sure if there were a statistician amongst us and had a look at the fishwrecked user data they could tell us that in the early days when the community was smaller and everyone knew everyone else it was perhaps more congenial with every thread getting lots of comments as there simply weren't that many threads.
We have waves of users dominating the boards, as one group recedes another takes its place, with a few of the old salts that were active in the past now perhaps preferring to sit back and watch and become more selective with their comments. (take a look at the post numbers of the people who commented on this thread for example)
The other reason for less comments is perhaps life gets in the way of fishing sometimes (speaking from experience.) And whilst at one stage I was on here for maybe 4 or 5 hours a day solid, either posting, reading, moderating, or designing and publishing the magazine, these days I am lucky to get on once or twice a week, due to work commitments increasing and other personal interests (guitar) vying for my time.
I still go fishing, and catch the usual species of fish, tagging plenty of dhuies and saving all my frames for research but interestingly the last three trips I haven't even taken a single photo. Perhaps I am getting a little picky in relation to fish pics, so unless it's something slightly special I haven't been bothering. No trophy fish of late but still seem to bag out each trip.
At the end of the day we at fishwrecked try to provide a safe and congenial environment for like minded fisho's to share their thoughts in a "reasonable" way. Moderating comments is about trying to find where that "reasonable line" is and its always going to be diferent for each and every person on here. Personal attacks, extreme bad language, sexually explicit material, legally dubious items and anything blatantly commercial or blatantly attacking our sponsors are what will get the attention of the moderating team. But we rely on you guys to let us know when you spot something that crosses that line of "reasonableness". We will then make a judgement call on it and always try to be as understanding as we can be when making corrections, or pulling people into line. Zero tollerance isn't the name of the game, but neither is open slather, its a balancing act that we will never be perfect at, but I can assure you all that we will keep aiming for that balance.
Each of the moderators will have a different approach, I honestly can't recall ever having "ripped a new one" for any offender so far, but I am sure I am capable of it in the right circumstances.
Cheers
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PJAY
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keyboard commandos...
welcome to the world of modern technology, social media and keyboard commandos who as raised previously, hide behind the pc to make snide comments on posts put up in here on good faith and in the interest of fellow fisherpersons...........i have been subject to idiots like that and having been a member here for a few years now i can say Adam manages this site well to ensure the trolls and smart arses are banned from this site. Keep up the awesome work Adam!!
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pricey10
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"Key board commandos" love
"Key board commandos" love it hahaha. But seriously one thing that holdss me back from posting more often is how much exposure the site gets. I love sharing my photos with my mates and the boys at work but sometimes I don't want half of wa to see what I'm catching.
Karratha. WA
shabba
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tend to agree
I know a lot of the long time site users don't post anymore for this reason.
I know a few fw members who are hard core anglers that dont post much any more for this reason.why go out of your way to catch awesum fish and get great pics then do a full on post on fw to get little relpy
The reads are huge which means readers are absorbing the free info but not contributing at all perhaps take take take comes to mind
just my thoughts
pud151
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soon as i get the tinny rego
soon as i get the tinny rego sorted and pick up that 20kg dhu i will let you know
pud151
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but agree with some of the
but agree with some of the comments already made. for those learning the more people that add their opinion the better, doesnt matter who is right or wrong as long as they pick up some fish and have a good time doing so
dant
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being a new boaty i have
being a new boaty i have found the site to be very helpful - alot a great blokes on here willing to help a new/young guy out - every time i have posted an issue or need a little bit of info i get it.
Im waiting to catch some good fish so i can do a post a good read myself.
Good site Adam - as i said im only new, but greatly appreciate the work that goes into keeping these sites up and running.
new age
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im more concerned with this
im more concerned with this site turning into "gumtree for fishos"
dont get me wrong there are some sweet deals
but man most new threads are people selling stuff instead of fishing advice/trip reports!