Can someone clear this up for me?
After a recent post regarding someone getting caught with 145.17 kg of fish I have been checking up on some rules I was unsure about.
I found that the rule is, you can have 20kg in your possesion OR 10kg and your daily bag limit of whole fish OR 2 days bag limit of whole fish?.....and are'nt quite sure what it means........Does it mean if I have 10kgs of fish fillets in the freezer and I go out and catch a 15kg fish I can have 25kg as long as the 15kg fish is whole? Or unlimited weight in whole fish as long as its no more than two daily bag limmits?
If thats the case.....I need to keep 10kg or less of fillets in the freezer if I go fishing and plan to catch anything weighing in over than 10kg.......
Just for the record....If I had anything like 10kg of fish in the freezer I would release what I caught any way.
Cheers
aaasnapper
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Yeah, it has been discussed
Yeah, it has been discussed before and grey areas do exists, however, for the majority of fishers it will cover them.
The grey area I see is if you have your 2 days bag limit of whole fish, as soon as you start to fillet you may be breaking the rules depending on the size of your fish.
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Spence
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I wouldn't worry too much
I wouldn't worry too much about filleting a big fish and breaking to rules. I think only known people and people who have extreme amount like 145kg would be pinned. I mean a 20kg fish lasts me atleast 2 months. I'd be eating fish every day for a year if I had that much in my freezer.
If you're fishing, i'd keep the fish whole until you get home and fillet then. Removes any question about species, numbers etc. if you're checked.
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cudbfishn
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Dont forget that it is each
Dont forget that it is each person too. so if theres more people in your house it will cover them. so long as it is labelled accordingly.
allrounder
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they would also be holders of a rbl
The other area that could catch a few out is going to sharkbay and bringing back snapper in the closed season.If you get stopped in the west coast zone you will be a goner.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
cudbfishn
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fishing from boat
fishing from boat liscence??
Depends on what fish it is. You can catch mulloway from shore and not need a fishing liscence.
Also if the fish caught at sharkbay were labelled correctly you should be ok.
Definate grey areas.
allrounder
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If you read the rules
you are gone even if labeled correctly.You need to follow the regs in the zone in which you are searched.That is why the line for the zones go all the way across to the borders of wa.So unless you live in Albany and are prepared to drive all the way around the top and then down through the N T and south australia for a few fillets you are a goner.Sorry if that ruins anyones plans to stock up in the closed season with a quick trip to the bay.You will just have to target the fish not on the protected list.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
cudbfishn
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hahaha well that sux.
hahaha well that sux.
Fish13
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then why does everyone head
then why does everyone head to windy harbour for pinkies during the closed demersal season? I havent heard of anyone being pinged yet for caring snapper in the west region that have come from another fishing region....
cudbfishn
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When it comes down to it youd
When it comes down to it youd have to be unlucky to get caught.
allrounder
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I agree you would have to be damn unlucky to get caught
but if you are caught in a operation and they have been watching an area and you get done.The old sorry i didnt know the rules doesnt fly.As i have stated before just because you dont see them doesnt mean that they dont see you
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
Tomcat
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Allrounder
I just read the rules where does it state you cannot catch fish above the 26 and bring them to perth including snapper in the closed season here
allrounder
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There is a section in there that states
that you are to adhere to the rules in the area in which you are searched.It is a bit hard to find but trust me it is in there.It is also the reason you cant launch and retrieve a vessel from augusta in the closed season because the ramp is inside the west coast zone and there for part of the closure.I think you may have misread my post as well.You can catch fish from out of the zone but you cant bring back anything that is on the closure list ie snapper ect.Hope that makes a bit more sense.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
WADRay
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I think this is a Miss
I think this is a Miss interpretation of the rules. You can fish the southern and bring them into the other zones. You CANNOT leave from a port in one zone travel into another catch your fish and then travel into the first zone in your boat and retrieve from the first zone IE your point with Augusta. This doesnt mean you cannot posses fish in a vehicle say driving back to busso from albany. I made very sure of this with the local fisheries and even had them put it in writing for me. (reading below it may have had to do with us being on a charter)
aaasnapper
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I dont believe that is the
I dont believe that is the case Allrounder. I can go to Sharkbay and catch snapper and bring them back in Perth's closed season as long as it is labelled correctly.
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Bodie
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Yeah allrounder I'd have to
Yeah allrounder I'd have to question that rule as well.
That would limit anyone going outside the zones for a holiday and bringing any fish back with them. For example, we were planning at week long trip down to hopetoun in November when we are due for some time off work. This would mean we would not be allowed to bring most species back if we wanted to keep some fish.
Brody
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This comes from the Rec
This comes from the Rec Fishing Guide - West Coast Region, section - Understanding The Fishing Rules. "Each of the four biological regions (bioregions) in WA has its own suite of fishing rules, although some rules such as possession limits and legal sizes may apply statewide. If you trasnsport fish across a regional boundary, the rules that apply are those which relate to the bioregion in which you are checked by a Fisheries and Marine Officer - not the bioregion in which you caught the fish."
Bodie
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yep pretty straight forward
yep pretty straight forward that answer.
Not that i agree with it but hey
MattMiller
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Pretty simple
you got it spot on there Brody.
aaasnapper
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Riddle me this
1. If I have any one of the demersal 5 in the freezer before the 15 October which remain in the freezer after 15 October does that mean I am breaking the law?
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Bodie
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yep interesting question
yep interesting question indeed.
smash
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no
cos your not transporting it
Brody
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I guess not, as the fish will
I guess not, as the fish will (should) be labelled and dated.
Lastchance
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What a wonderful document we
What a wonderful document we have to guide us through something as simple as fishing.....
fishy fingers
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This question came up
very early on, I cant remember who said it BUT it was clearded up this way "if you are fishing outside a closed area you may
cross a closed area to land your fish that you caught outside the closed area and retrieve your boat but you must not stop
to fish or anything else" or words to that effect but it was made clear you can transport fish over boundries as long as you
follow the rules re lableling
Tim
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Different
That applies to closed areas like the sound within a bioregion.
As Brody posted the rules say something different when crossing regional boundries.
In reality if people want something like this clarified they should be sending an email to fisheries to get the info as they are the ones who will be enforcing it.
fishy fingers
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I think it's more the way it's written
rather than how it's interpreted, that would mean if you go on a fishing holiday outside a bioreigion and catch some fish
that you couldnt bring them home if you live in a bioreigion that is closed....I think if you could prove where you have been and where you caught them they would be hard pressed to prosecute regardless of the written law' just because it's written that way.
Tomcat
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Email
Just looked at that says they don't give can't remember the word they used by email the last time I emailed them took 6 weeks to answer and you you don't have to put date on labeled fish so if you go north and fillet snapper take the skin off then it's just fish no good ringing just your word you need it in writing they won't give that
Tim
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They will put it in writing
They will put it in writing if you find the right people.
Have had a few things clarified by them for club comps and they have sent it to me by email so I had it for future reference.
I think alot of them worry that someone will bring it out 10 years later after the rules have changed 100 more times. They have made it clear that it was only valid at the time of writing and if the rules change then we would have to re check.
fishy fingers
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cos they dont know
You would be hard pressed to find a fisheries officer that knew the rules espescialy when it comes down to something like this
allrounder
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The reason i found out was because i asked the question
Why do the zones run all the way to the border and had a dog leg down to black rock?That was the answer i was given.The next question was.It looks like fisheries had done some forward planing a couple of years before the closures then?That one was only answered by a smile.I dont think i would push the fact just in case.If you try and trick them with a different label ect and you get done the fine will be far more extreme.A friendly warning just because you dont get stopped doesnt mean you are not being watched.It will only be a matter of time until undercover officers are on sites like this posing as want to be deckies and go out for the day with people to see how they conduct themselves.I can see the red faces now as someone fillets an undersize fish for bait or cooks one at sea and comes back in with handcuffs on.
We got stopped off two rocks one day and asked what we had caught.We then got asked to see the esky contents followed by a boarding from the officer because they had seen us take two dhufish aboard and only had one in the esky and they had been no where near us all day.It was only when we showed them the tag card from the same time showing one fish tagged that they relented and carried on their way.Still not sure how they knew as we had only seen them on their way toward us and a couple of spotter planes all day as we had been trying hard to stay away from everyone else.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
aaasnapper
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Confirmed
I have contacted someone who use to work as a Fisheries officer and who use to reside in Sharkbay and they were also stumped so she rang her fisheries contacts to confirm.
It is true you can not catch fish in the in other Bioregions and bring them back to the west coast bioregion during ther ban. (the fish in the ban that is)
Professionals and charter operators are exempt apperantly. I am think cuase they have quoters.
I believe this rule was put in place to prevent people living in one bioregion travelling to other bioregions to counter bans and bombing other locations.
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Hairyone
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Wow........Im glad it wasnt
Wow........Im glad it wasnt just me having trouble trying to interpret the rules!
Thanks for clearing a few things up.
Cheers
fishy fingers
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Well to be honest
Most people dont travel to exmouth etc during november to january espescialy for a fishing trip so
it wont affect many!
glastronomic
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So, If I go to my local
So, If I go to my local supermart NOR, buy 4 whole snapper and travel through Rockinghorse city with them in my esky to a friends barby/drink fest, Am I "breaking" any laws?
alfred
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Not if you keep the receipt
Not if you keep the receipt to show that they were bought from a legal market.
glastronomic
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If i do not have a receipt
If i do not have a receipt anymore as I am Joe Public who does not know about all these fising regulations and rules/closures/Quota's and stay in Rockingham area between 15-10 and December 2011
Am I in trouble with this complete clustermuck legislation
What other groceries are there that i have to keep a receipt for after purchase as to not contravene a local/state or federal law?