10% of anglers catch 90% of the fish
Submitted by Alan James on Mon, 2009-08-24 18:48
I've heard this statement a number of times on this and other forums. Sounds quite general but if it's true what's it based on?
Reducing our fish take may be as simple as reducing 5% of the fishing pool. LOL.
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Paul G
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True I do beleave that
True I do beleave that there is a % of anglers which do catch more the most ,I for one do catch my fair share,I beleave halving bag limits,will not affect the larger % of fishers which only catch a couple of fish on a good day but the good fishers will be cut back by half ,this is a good thing, as I would be happy bringing in a couple for a feed ,at the moment I am allowed eight dhuies if I choose to take that many.Bag limits will not reduce effort but will save a lot of fish over a period, even if it is from a small % of the fishing population..
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7739ian
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Very true
and from Paul's previous posts he is in that 10% - i'm in the other 90%. Good luck to him - he is on my wavelength- reducing bag limits will do more than bans and fees. He will always catch more than me - and for what it costs him he is welcome to have part of my potential catch. Run for Parliament Paul - you would do better than No Chin Norman - and it would keep you off the water while us duffers get a few.
till
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Not all fishers that do as
Not all fishers that do as well as Paul release as much of their catch. Really once you have a couple dhufish in the boat you have enough. I caught a 10kg and a 12kg one and was dreading catching another. Needless to say, that was a one off for me.
roscopico
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the ticket system used in
the ticket system used in shark bay for pinkys seems the fairest of all the options. each angler is allowed so many tickets per year and uses them when they catch and decide to keep a fish. so if you catch and release most of the year you can select a fish to keep for a feed or if the fish is showing signs of baratrauma or deep hooking then exhange it for one of your tickets. it means that it is fair for all anglers. just my opinion !
DhuBoi
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8 dhuies with how many
8 dhuies with how many people on board mate ?
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DhuBoi
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an honestly once i catch two
an honestly once i catch two decent dhuies or a few decent , why would you need any more meat ? its just greedy . i just head in call it an early one clean the fish n have a few brews, greed is what is killing the world
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Rob_Seed
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My uncle's one of em!
My bloody uncles one of the ten I swear he sprays my lines with crc.
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kane
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10% catch 90% of the fish you say...
good for them i reckon :) wish i was in that 10% club...doesnt mean id keep em all though as im sure most people dont.
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Paul G
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Dhuboi if you now the
Dhuboi if you now the fishing rules and regs you would know eight dhuies means four peple on board,these fish are split between three people,as I count Jesse and I as one ,it is not often I will bring in my bag,as I do release a lot of fish . As for going home early No i go fishing for the day I spend time looking for new ground and susing thing out ,at least I would gladly reduce my bag limit,or pay my licence fee as most of the recs just seem to do nothing but winge how its going to effect them and there free time ,not a lot get said about decreasing bag limits and uping size limits sothere will be some fish left in the future. While the law stands as it is, then i am entiteled to catch my fish..
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Bodie
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hey that ticket system
hey that ticket system sounds like an interesting idea.... wonder if it could work???
But yes the 10% of anglers catch 90% of the fish does exist.
hlokk
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I've been pondering about
I've been pondering about that. The question is how do you make it fair. Can tags be transfered for example?
If they can be transfered, then perhaps some fishermen could sell theres on (sounds a bit like carbon trading doesnt it :p). A market price would work out on the tags, with some people paying and some people buying them. If they can be transferred, then could new people pretend to be into fishing, get their tags, then sell them for a profit. Potentially a lot of people could do this.
If they cant be transfered, then someone who fishes twice a year may have two tags, but then so does someone who fishes much more often (but they wont be able to keep fish on the majority of trips). If people with tinnies get the same tags as people with 6m boats, then the tags arent being distributed to where they are being used most (and tags get 'wasted'). Some people might be annoyed if they have a bigger boat that can target the fish but dont get enough tags.
In the first case, if the number of tags is limited per year (a TAC) then extra people wouldnt just be able to get more tags increasing the number of dhufish caught. Though, depending on how they distribute them, people could still pretend to fish just to get the tags. E.g. for 10,000 tags, if theres 5,000 legitmate fishermen, but then 5,000 people who arent who just want to sell something they can get for free. Those 5,000 actual fishermen get half the number of tags they should get. The 5,000 non-fishermen sell their tags (to the actual fishermen), but now the actual fishermen need to pay to get their fair share (and the tags would go to those who were richer presumably).
Not everyone would use their tag, so if you had 10,000 tags, less than 10,000 fish would be caught though. I wonder if they would make allowances for that or not. Say if only 5,000 were tagged, then 5,000 more could be caught without endangering the fishery.
A tag system could work pretty well in limiting the catch but I wonder if there is a fair way of distributing the tags? Maybe it has a bit in common with communism (not in ideology), in that it works in theory very well, but fails in practice (due to people not being as honourable as the idea requires).
roberta
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Hubbie used to be in the 10%
always used to go out and always got a good feed of fish, like Paulg get a couple of fish, scout around for new ground then come home. But as he's gotten older we don't go out as much mainly do our fishing in Leeman, couple of good days get what we want and most of the time the boat sits on the trailer, two people on board you can get a good feed, we've released lots of fish, hopefully they all lived. Also we go squidding get a feed (not our bag) come home, same with whiting/kg's don't need to get your bag all the time, or is it bragging rights that people always say they get their bag and really don't?
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Alan James
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10% of anglers catch 90% of the fish.
My earlier comment that the fish take could be reduced by reducing the angler pool was meant very tongue in cheek.
But do 10% of the anglers catch 90% of the fish as against say 25/75. Has some study shown 10/90 is correct or is this simply an accepted perception?
Bodie
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Alan, as far as i know, this
Alan, as far as i know, this information comes from some tackle stores.
As they deal with people all the time, and regulars at that, they get used t knowing what people are buying, and needing and catching too.
till
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Its merely a popular adage.
Its merely a popular adage. The problem is there are less reliable statistics available than you would need to know about 90 or 10% of anything.
Bones76
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Alan You have too much time
Alan
You have too much time on your hands - come and work here a couple days a week so we can discuss such issues and get paid for it. Merle can make me lunch on those days, seeing my wife won't.
Alan James
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Paul
Paul
You are correct. This is what happens when the weather's cr@p. Best you keep buying your lunch. You'll get very hungry otherwise as I found out.
roscopico
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g'day hlokk, you would have
g'day hlokk, you would have to make them non transferable and if you dont use them then nothing lost nothing gained. and i think a limit of 8 to 15 per year is more than enough , any more than that and you are taking more than your fair share i say .