Marvelous outcome, and quite probably justice served.
However, I read the story, and barring the quite possibly poor reporting standards it concerns me.
Im all for this crime getting punished but the story (to me) read that there were no witnesses, no video/pics and Fisheries were not present.
Certainly he may have been stealing "a cray" and Im not casting any aspertions on this particular case.
But is it really that easy to catch someone doing that and have them fined $12K and lose their boat?
Best be careful next time someone yells at you on the water and you "give them the finger" or "throw a sinker at them", or you cut them off at the ramp.
If they only need to tell Fisheries a plausible story, there could easily be a couple of innocent people amongst the multitude caught doing this over the last couple of seasons.
Fisheries have demonstrated already that they are unwilling to back down no matter what...
I’m going to assume that since this was a penalty handed out in court for what is presumably a criminal charge, that the magistrate was doing his job and took into account all the evidence and testimony to make his decision. Far cry from being handed a penalty because someone reported you.
If you try some bullshit story and admit during your testimony (and likely to Fisheries initially) that you pulled someone else's cray pot out of the water you're kinda leaving yourself open to whatever punishment comes your way.
Taken from the article:
"De Robertis admitted to pulling the pot out of the water".
One day all you guys are going to be oldies and then what?
Also agree this chap did the wrong thing, however he also did state that he was untangling rope,
And to do that may have had to lift the pot out of the water, whichever way you look at it
very harsh penalty when you think a guy can shoot someone in the neck, has a multitude of other related charges and gets bail
Sadly the punishment doesnt always fit the crime
Being an Oldie myself and just had my boat delivered although still waiting for the 275 Tranny to arrive, I wonder what I am in for being this age,
No doubt as it is a Black Cusher I will be labelled a pinger, be too slow at the ramp causing rage, have to rely on sea rescue etc etc etc, should be fun,
Oh and I can fish when all you youngins are at work, what a bugger,
As for claiming Dementia as a defence, Ron, I think you have to remember you suffer from it,
Lol. Is Howard Sattler around to take talkback calls still?
Sorry gents but if someone's made it to 73 without realising they can't and shouldn't be raiding pots then the title 'thieving old dog kent' seems a perfect fit to me.
how many oldies do you see in car chases ?? or road rages ?
the bloke admitted he pulled the pot and took a cray from the report ………. , its still amazing though how ignorant fishers can be in regards to the rules , just check out the tar spot question on facey …….unbelievable
your not wrong on all fronts there. as a truck driver you see all sorts of stuff on the roads , you just have to look around when at a red light and see how many other drivers are sending text messages.
as far as the water goes only yesterday we had another boat cut straight accross in front of us maybe 20mtrs only to cut back accross to avoid a cray pot.
The article I read, he only admitted pulling the pot on board not removing the cray.
The way the brochures read,
“do not interfere with anyone else’s gear”, what do you do if it’s tangled in your prop?
Close to the rocks?
My only concern that I brought up, is that on the face of the story, it seemed a little too easy to get him fined $12k and lose his boat with no evidence, proof or even another witness it seems?
Hezzy I agree with everything you say, also not bothered by the penanlty handed out to this "old guy" and as LJ said, you touch someone elses gear you pay the price.
Gladly though, some of us Oldies still have a bit of common sense for what that is worth these days, and learnt respect along the way,
I do however get annoyed when soft Magistrates allow people who commit crimes that endanger the life of those around them to walk free.
When are we going to stop accepting the offender had a tough upbringing, he came from a split home, he was under the influence of an illicit substance etc etc etc.
A massive decrease in people touching others gear. Also pot stealing. Just remember engrave the crap out of your pot. Main frames/ weld id on bases , anywhere you can.
Faulkner Family
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Good job . Big loss for him
Good job . Big loss for him . Serves him right. Makes you wonder how many other times he did it
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BigJevans
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Agreed
Couldnt agree more, need posters of this put up at the ramps to serve as a warning to other.
Timing couldnt be better too, before the maddness of the walk starts.
scubafish
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Outstanding !!!
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scubafish
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Outstanding !!!
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pelagicyachts
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taking into account the loss
taking into account the loss of use of his boat? why didn't they confiscate the boat? - thought they used too?
sea-kem
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I think that up to the
I think that up to the discretion of the judge, will stand corrected.
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SeperateKnob
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Fantastic this is exactly the
Fantastic this is exactly the type of deterrant we should have for this type of act. Now if only the charge was the same for breaking and entering...
SeperateKnob
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Fantastic this is exactly the
Fantastic this is exactly the type of deterrant we should have for this type of act. Now if only the charge was the same for breaking and entering...
sea-kem
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Bet he's an arrogant old
Bet he's an arrogant old fuck who thought he was above it all. Sucked in.
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Jackfrost80
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Looks like the old timer's
Looks like the old timer's luck at sea finally ran out. Certainly provides an arguement for including basic fishing regs/penalties in the RST
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Dale
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Good job, suck it up old man.
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Rob H
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Food for thought
Marvelous outcome, and quite probably justice served.
However, I read the story, and barring the quite possibly poor reporting standards it concerns me.
Im all for this crime getting punished but the story (to me) read that there were no witnesses, no video/pics and Fisheries were not present.
Certainly he may have been stealing "a cray" and Im not casting any aspertions on this particular case.
But is it really that easy to catch someone doing that and have them fined $12K and lose their boat?
Best be careful next time someone yells at you on the water and you "give them the finger" or "throw a sinker at them", or you cut them off at the ramp.
If they only need to tell Fisheries a plausible story, there could easily be a couple of innocent people amongst the multitude caught doing this over the last couple of seasons.
Fisheries have demonstrated already that they are unwilling to back down no matter what...
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
resurgence
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It was a magistrate
I’m going to assume that since this was a penalty handed out in court for what is presumably a criminal charge, that the magistrate was doing his job and took into account all the evidence and testimony to make his decision. Far cry from being handed a penalty because someone reported you.
Rob H
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agree
agree, hope you are right and very likely you are.
Imagine being a pensioner, and getting that sort of a punishment if it wasnt?
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Jackfrost80
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If you try some bullshit
If you try some bullshit story and admit during your testimony (and likely to Fisheries initially) that you pulled someone else's cray pot out of the water you're kinda leaving yourself open to whatever punishment comes your way.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
little johnny
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Got watch these old fellas
. Lol ,seems to be the latest trend lately
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meglodon
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Enough of picking on us oldies
Talk about picking on a select section of society, leave of picking on us oldies.
By the way can you claim dementia as a defence, just asking.
Skull
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Us Oldies
Agree with megladon
One day all you guys are going to be oldies and then what?
Also agree this chap did the wrong thing, however he also did state that he was untangling rope,
And to do that may have had to lift the pot out of the water, whichever way you look at it
very harsh penalty when you think a guy can shoot someone in the neck, has a multitude of other related charges and gets bail
Sadly the punishment doesnt always fit the crime
Being an Oldie myself and just had my boat delivered although still waiting for the 275 Tranny to arrive, I wonder what I am in for being this age,
No doubt as it is a Black Cusher I will be labelled a pinger, be too slow at the ramp causing rage, have to rely on sea rescue etc etc etc, should be fun,
Oh and I can fish when all you youngins are at work, what a bugger,
As for claiming Dementia as a defence, Ron, I think you have to remember you suffer from it,
Skull
uncle
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Nailed it skull.
Of course us baby boomers fucked over the other generations as well. Its the usual 5 % i guess.
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Jackfrost80
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Lol. Is Howard Sattler around
Lol. Is Howard Sattler around to take talkback calls still?
Sorry gents but if someone's made it to 73 without realising they can't and shouldn't be raiding pots then the title 'thieving old dog kent' seems a perfect fit to me.
Officially off the Pies bandwagon
little johnny
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Touch someone's gear
Bang should be the book.and boat. Regardless of how many crays where taken.
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Yep, he knew exactly what he
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hezzy
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agree with your sentiment
agree with your sentiment skull ,
not unhappy with the penalty though
but I sure as fark wish the gov would do the same with king hits,assaults drug charges, drink driving , mobile phone use etc etc etc
have to say iv lost count of the times iv seen ''PEOPLE '' young and old doing stupid risky shite all over the place …… on water , on roads and on bikes …
there out there and its getting worse imo …
its about time penalties where toughened , respect was re instilled into society , especially young ones
https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/samurai-attack-accused-jacob-benjamin-lear-granted-bail-over-alleged-midland-assault-ng-b881018068z
how many oldies do you see in car chases ?? or road rages ?
the bloke admitted he pulled the pot and took a cray from the report ………. , its still amazing though how ignorant fishers can be in regards to the rules , just check out the tar spot question on facey …….unbelievable
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Faulkner Family
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your not wrong on all fronts
your not wrong on all fronts there. as a truck driver you see all sorts of stuff on the roads , you just have to look around when at a red light and see how many other drivers are sending text messages.
as far as the water goes only yesterday we had another boat cut straight accross in front of us maybe 20mtrs only to cut back accross to avoid a cray pot.
RUSS and SANDY. A family that fishes together stays together
Rob H
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.
The article I read, he only admitted pulling the pot on board not removing the cray.
The way the brochures read,
“do not interfere with anyone else’s gear”, what do you do if it’s tangled in your prop?
Close to the rocks?
My only concern that I brought up, is that on the face of the story, it seemed a little too easy to get him fined $12k and lose his boat with no evidence, proof or even another witness it seems?
Give a man a mask, and he'll show you his true face...
The older you get the more you realize that no one has a f++king clue what they're doing.
Everyone's just winging it.
Skull
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Date Joined: 03/01/12
All True
Hezzy I agree with everything you say, also not bothered by the penanlty handed out to this "old guy" and as LJ said, you touch someone elses gear you pay the price.
Gladly though, some of us Oldies still have a bit of common sense for what that is worth these days, and learnt respect along the way,
I do however get annoyed when soft Magistrates allow people who commit crimes that endanger the life of those around them to walk free.
When are we going to stop accepting the offender had a tough upbringing, he came from a split home, he was under the influence of an illicit substance etc etc etc.
Skull
little johnny
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There has been
A massive decrease in people touching others gear. Also pot stealing. Just remember engrave the crap out of your pot. Main frames/ weld id on bases , anywhere you can.