Not for the boat. Nothing to do with surveying the boat as far as I know.

Just out of interest how much is it for a wet line licence?

Paul N Not for the boat!!!,maybe there has been a misunderstanding by us, but why would the fisherman need to be demersal Licenced, as well as a licence to fish on say, the $20.00 daily fee.The way I understand, the demersal licence for the boat,is exactly that.

http://www.fish.wa.gov.au/docs/pub/RecFishArrange/index.php

click on this link and see the arrangements

the more I read these proposals, the more I see this as a huge tax grab, where politcians are hell bent on destroying the recreational fishing industry and at whatever costs, there will be associated job losses galore.

 Saltarix, I cant answer your question about the cost of a "wet licence" sorry. Jim

The boat is not licenced it is the people in it that are.
The $30 licence is to allow you to fish from a boat and the West Coast Demersal Scalefish licence is required for you to catch the species that come under this ie Dhu fish.

Neither of these relate to the boat as they will follow the person whatever boat they fish on.

I'd be much less objectionable about the whole matter if the large fee was on the boat.

...I can see where you're coming from. If we're meant to be paying this much money we probably should be using surveyed professional fishing vessels. Think about it, four people on a boat at $150 a pop is probably approaching what the pros pay anyway!

they are not hiding that .What you need to think about is the fact that policing and research needs funding.This funding needs to come from somewhere so why not from the people using the resource .It is no different than tax on fuel to pay for roads or tax on alcohol and ciggies to pay for the extra drain on the health system.The pros have had cuts in numbers and bans in place and the cray boys are in the same boat so the funds coming from that side are in turn being cut back so the cash needs to come from somewhere .As far as i am concerned pay up enjoy the act of fishing with the knowledge that you are giving a SMALL amount for the right to do so and move on .I agree it should be a fee for the boat but if that was the case you would load a sh@t load of people on to take advantage of the license.If you dont like it dont pay the fee and dont fish end of argument.As for the timing if we didnt have the global crash do you think it would be such a issue?If the license was a fishing license across the board of say $50 for everybody that fishes it would be a little fairer but that is my only issue as long as the money that is collected is ONLY used for the fisheries.Have oceanside or tackleshack seen any back of in spending because of the license?Are makos or honsus jobs in danger or as fisherman we will do what we do best shift our effort elsewhere.Glad im not a kg or skippy or the like in the closure times.If you think it should be a boat license how much do you think is fair?Do you think that a skipper that takes you out a the boat for a fish should pay?The guy has bought the boat and the tow car pays the insurance has to pay for the services on the motor and trailer already way out of pocket before you even put the boat in the water so if i had to pay to license the boat to bottom bash i can tell you people will be paying to come fishing.I think we have had it too good for a lot of years so time too suck it up and open your wallet and stop bitching about how hard done by we all are.I will still fish how about you.jmo

Agree the Kg's will cop a flogging allrounder but the Greyband are on the closure list as well.
The ban will include all the deepwater species like Greyband and Hapuka as well as Dhuies.

Why don't they take the money out of the estimated $50,000,000 -$100,000,000 we pay in related boating,fuel and fishing goods taxes and services each year.

We are paying a fortune already, take that money and put it to good use.

Anyway looks like its a done dal,,i hope it works out like they hope it does.

Allrounder i think the onus is on the individual as far as i can tell not the boat owner,,

I remember reading on here a guy rang up Fisherys and asked what would happen if his 5 year old daughter did not have a boat licence,,he said she will be prosecuted because "the onus is on the individual"

hi there, Did you all write in to the Minister and your local member of parliament to fight this tax??

Alot of talk out there but also alot of apathy..... which is sad

 because this will effect our kids and their kids.

 I'm all for a workable system, closures,and preserving the stocks but NOT this TAX GRAB.

I believe that perhaps tags would be a definite way to know how many fish are being caught. Unused tags get returned at the end of the season for a full refund and they know exactly how many fish were caught.

Get yourself caught with one of the V5 fish without a tag in it; and $$$$$$$$$ big fines, so it won't be worth trying to cheat.

There is a proforma letter on one of the other forum pages, all you need to do is to put your name sign and send.

I'm here now scanning and sending off letters to 14 different ministers.

It's going to be tabled this week I believe so nothing like the present to sign and send.

cheers, shane

Auslobster, Thanks for seeing,where I am coming from, Allrounder, agree with your comments, but disagree, with paying the extorinate amount of money. True we have had it good for far too long, but as I have said before in other posts, these types of proposals or similar should have been brought in long before now.
Iam more in favour of their being a yearly licence, which would seem more equitable and fairer and yes the money collected has to go back into Fishery Research. I also see in the Fisheries web site, jobs available, they are calling for Trainee and Marine officers to go into their recruitment pool. Shane my letter was sent to the Minister and was not answered,as for getting back money from fuel tax and the like, well that comes from Commonwealth Coffers,I know its all the same, but tax on fuel is set by the Commonwealth and a fair amount is Excise and the GST component of it as well. In all honesty, the whole thing is a "conundrum of hypocrisy".
Jim.

why do we pay for the road tax on fuel when we put fuel in a boat?

have to agree with everyhting you and the rest of the fellas, my biggest concern is "That the money does go for research and recruitment of new Fisheries Officers," but unfortunately it won't, well not all, if 100% of the fees collected went straight into Fisheries & Research, I'd not have a proplem. My gut feeling says its going into the big swimming pool of revenue.

Also was worried about the effect on the Tackle shops as far as staffing, profits, has anybody felt the pinch yet? No one thing it hasn't effected the pricing on a full service for a 100 hpm Mariner, wow couldn't believe the bill $530 dollars and it had discount for a customer of 27yrs, Is this the normal price?

Roberta,

I assume that was through Portside, thats about right price, it goes on engine horsepower for the cost of service to do our 60 HP Mariner we were quoted $480.00

PM coming a wee bit later.

Jim.

Hi SHORTY,

Kids under eleven years of age can't be prosecuted. between eleven and fourteen years the authorities have to prove the kid knew that what they were doing was wrong. the fisheries guy needs to do his homework.

Allrounder, i totally agree.

I think there is more fish out there than what the think there is.

But one thing all this has done, has renewed everyones opinions and thoughts on fishing for the future.

Howmany people now use release weights, compared to 2 or 3 years ago???

Howmany people go out and catch there boat limits these days?? some people may say because they cant, but i think its more to do with the fact its just not that much of a big deal anymore.

You go out, get a feed of fish, and come back. Dont need to stockpile the freezer for months and months to come. think the relization that fresh fish tastes much better than 3 - 6 month old frozen stuff.

As the all these licenses, i agree, i dont think it will pass through parliment in its current form. It will have some changes added to it, which will probably be for the better.

I see the job adverts are out for fishereies officers already........ anyone interested?? :)

With this extra money going into fisheries research will the existing funding from the government still remain at the same level or just disappear into revenue.Haven't seen anything as yet to say that this won't happen

We have to remember that the sheer numbers of rec fishermen are increasing every year, while the amount of professional fishermen are declining. So if the total demersal scalefish take increases or stays the same compared to last year, we as rec fishermen have to bear some of the cost in terms of protecting stocks. That's why I have no problem accepting the $30 licence. HOWEVER, I can see no justification for slugging everyone on the boat $150. I know we've had it too easy for a very long time but honestly, does anyone not believe that such a high amount is derived from greed and nothing else?

 If they charge everyone (boat and shore fishos) $30 for an annual licence, they're not going to bring in less revenue, are they? And can anyone on here or anywhere else deny that shore anglers have just as much obligation to look after fish stocks? Where do you think baby snapper come from? They are a common shore-based catch throughout the metro area...not to mention other species that use protected waters as a nursery (KG's, tailor, skippy, salmon trout...even samson fish!).

 The entire fishing community should bear this cost...spread it out among the masses rather than slam a minority, because WE ALL have a responsibility to look after the fish.

I worked out if we are not successful in defeating this rort and I pay for;

 Fishing license 3 px at $30 each

bottom fish 150 x1 license

rego boat 253 now with increase of 90% THIS YEAR

$60 trailer?? wife pays

 rotto $189 for a season

(Cray Abs 45 each ) see below

Parking $90 Hillarys voucher all season

plus boat insurance BEFORE I get the thing wet and BEFORE servicings/ fuel bait etc it's going to cost me $1000 PA

 PS yesterday I went on the net and paid my rec fishing license for 12 months UMBRELLA LICENSE for what was it $87.00?

cheers shane

I'm for a system of purchasing tags and wrote last night on it.
15 Dhus in how long??
Gee, I want to catch my first and hopefully I will when the boat comes out of the shop.
That's alot of fish....
The limit is on the fisheries page booklets, something like a total of 20kg at your place of residence or two complete fish etc etc . FIFTEEN....... geez

well gentlemen, the dreaded recreational proposal, was to be tabled today in State Parliament, August 11, 2009, I suppose its too early to ask, was it passed or blocked by the opposition,????

Jim.

I thought its August 16 th ?

Shorty,
I did read somewhere, probably in another thread, that the proposal was to be tabled yesterday. I did see in todays paper that this current sitting is to be extended by one week, so the backlog can be cleared.However, I do remember previous State Governments, having to carry over legislations, to a summer sitting, for them to be tabled.

Jim.

anybody interested, see the link regards the fishing proposals.

http://www.fishingtaxgrab.com/

Jim.