fisheries management what would you like to see changed
given the herring discussion , i thought there may be other bag limits/fisheries management changes that people would like to see
probably the no 1 is to have 1 dhufish per licnece holder
one of my choices would be to see the size limit on crabs increased from the curent 127mm , up to 135 mm , given the bag limit of only 10 per person blah blah , ten bigger crabs at 135 mm is a good feed
i like to see some changes in the shark bay pink snapper rules as well ,
would people want a shore based fishing licence to match the boat fishing licence , that excluded payment for kids under 14 and pensioners,
or my preference of general fishing licence that gave you access to both shore and boat, & when doing the application you can tick a box which one you do most or exclusivly for data info to fisheries on activity etc
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is the bag limit of squid too many ?
probly lots of others , fire away
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Ol Tom
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Bragging
Geez boys if I catch ONE Dhu on any day Im a happy man. I can only dream of catching two and cant imagine 6 on my boat. How much fun do you want in one day??
little johnny
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cray season
this year will be massive, keep in mind pros have quotas .smart ones only catch when price is right,some never even fished the white run,i know for fact some boats let that many go its not funny, (smart fishing),fishing all year if quota isn't filled.they pay huge amounts per pot add in fuel and deckys also maint on boat.bait,we cant blame them ,,ol tom dhues are like blow fish no bragging fact,thousands must die every year because of 2 per boat limit ,even 3 per boat ,would help,it will never happen but always hope
carnarvonite
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Quality not quantity
What they are doing on the boats is making 100% sure what they bring to shore is top quality, no damage or legs missing so they can get top dollar rather than like before where they would go hell for leather to get as many on board, pack their crates jammed packed in an attempt to earn as much as possible while the whites were running and over the dark of the moon out wide.
RobertMc
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1 dhu per licenced fisher on
1 dhu per licenced fisher on board a boat.
Pitty
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Just a couple of weeks ago
Just a couple of weeks ago we sent at least a dozen just size and undersized dhus back down because we already had our two on the boat between three of us. There does seem to be a lot around at the moment just not that many hooters.
UBIQUE
timboon
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The smart pro's want their
The smart pro's want their seasons to remain when the females don't spawn and don't regulate the season around the dollars made...
I've worked on boats in the Southern Zone - SA, we were the first ones with a set per pot quota... The West tried everything else until eventually when every other zone in Australia had had quota`s introduced they finally buckled and it was brought in... Now its a supply and demand thing and walla they actually get paid better than ever so why not leave it?? Greed....
Let them spawn without being disturbed, just like releasing demersals there has to be a fatality rate and if the fems have berries then its biting the hand that feeds you mentality...
For those that are feeling sorry for the cray boys because they have over heads pffft!!! They are not like cockys that have to rely on rain, fertilise etc etc etc... Cray fisherman pay stuff all and harvest.... Nothing is sewn... I'm not bitching about pro's as most of my family and friends work in the industry but how much money does one have to make to make to be comfortable income ( $400-600k + )is why I question opening up the year instead of having a season!!
D_d_001
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lot has been said on the Dhu
lot has been said on the Dhu front. especially the fatality rate on release and upping the size restriction has been mentioned....of course we all use weights and I like to think the ones I release survive. does anyone have any data on this.
guess my question is : is the mortality rate that bad that upping the size restriction is only going to kill more with more released?(some have said that on some days 20ish have been released) or is actually lowering the size restriction going to help the bigger ones in ...not getting caught ?
b4 I get blasted !!! lol
this is just a question because of me not knowing enough about life cycles of the Dhu etc.
carnarvonite
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Upsizing
What needs to be done is to spot the practice of upsizing, first drop you get a 10kg dhuey so you put it in the icebox, next drop up comes a 15kg one so then the 10kg one goes over the side and is replaced by the 15kg jobby and so on.
Doesn't just happen down south, at recent Carnarfin comps it has been known to happen very often, though its hard to prove and would be even harder to stop.
IMO all release weights do is take a dying fish out of sight unless you have taken the time bringing it up and handling it correctly
saltatrix
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Some tagged Dhus have been
Some tagged Dhus have been caught 3 times. Yep, some blokes were releasing size Dhus.
IMHO, you can kill a Dhu if you crank it to the top at a rapid rate. Its a great way to lose/drop fish as well anyrate.
So yes Dhus survive if they are looked after. The tag data shows that.
The issue is that your average angler doesn't look after a released Dhu, but be mindful there is a lot of juveniles out there and if there is more, they must be surviving.
My concern is that there is great pressure to ever increase the size of areas anglers cannot fish by anti-fishing groups.(closed areas)
That could be your spot next year.
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D_d_001
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"upsizing"
Yeah I agree this could happen but the idiots that do it will do it anyway (10kg dhu is going to go 80cm)
so hard to police.
also agree with the handling of dhus.....so much that I'm fishing lighter and lighter these days and when I think I have a dhu on(they are pretty easy to tell by the way they fight /come up) I find myself taking it very easy on them and have definitely found myself giving them a "deco" stop.
pretty easy to do if you fish a light rod.
good to know saltatrix. reassuring to know the ones I put back may live to breed another season or more.
saltatrix
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Lot of blokes used to fish
Lot of blokes used to fish 15kg mono D_d_001 because if you went 24kg mono your sinker size would be huge in some currents.
Using 24kg was also harder to feel the bites. I had a mate who out fished a bunch of competing club anglers using 50lb dacron on same boat when my mate was using 8kg mono. That changed the way I fished.
Then braid arrived. Think I was using the first version of spiderwire or Gorilla braid on a charter. I could feel the charter skipper had gone onto sand but thought I hooked a nice fish that turned out to be a 30cm Flathead in 90 metres of water. Rang my mate straight away to say you have to try this braid. Its awesome lol
Yeah heavy line with drag cranked loses/drops a lot of good fish that are poorly hooked.
But slow slow saves the Dhuies
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saltatrix
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My understanding is the
My understanding is the commercial sector has been given the option to sell lobster when the price suits them. Sounds like a great system.
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Rob H
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Jaggo
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Rec cray season all year
Rec cray season all year round, make the temporary trial use of octopus trigger traps permanent, increase nannygai/bight redfish/red snapper bag limit, scrap the 2 month demersal closure and instead replace it with a days fished per year system monitored by an app on your phone or a register phone number to an online data base. For example we get 50 days each at sea per year to fish out of 365 days we nominate at the ramp on our mobile phone the day we wanna fish for deep sea fish then go fishing. This will solve the problem of not being able to fish for 2 months when the weather at times in that 2 months can be really nice, it'll also slow down the people that go out every single day to slay it because they will be limited on days per year and will also limit people going out on days with poor weather as they will only fish on the nicest days. Also if down the track we have problems with fish stocks the fisheries can take days off us rather than further restrict the bag limits because let's face it bag limits at the moment are about as small as they can get. As some people said under current bag limits u can bag out in one drop.
Rob H
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jesus I hope not-it'd be
jesus I hope not-it'd be like having to ask permission to go fishing, itd be rorted left right and centre and the compliance cost would be astronomical.
I doubt that there are many who go out "every single day" anyhow?
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meglodon
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Changes I would like to see to fishing regs
I would like to see the crabbing season for the Mandurah area open after January, IMO most of crabs haven't reached a good size before Christmas and I'm sure a lot die through the handling they get with a lot of people catching the same crab over and over again.
I believe that the dhuie catch should be limited to one fish per licence holder to a maximum of 6 per boat.
Jaggo
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Yes ur correct no one goes
Yes ur correct no one goes out every single day but I know where I'm from in the south west area there's quite a few that give it curry especially over the summer months. The days fished per year thing is just a suggestion as an alternative to further trimming bag or size limits in the future as they are small enough already. It's also a thought to try and get the 2 month closure lifted as 10 days before Christmas isn't always enough to get a feed of fish for the barbie over the festive season.
timboon
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I'm sure Rob will jump in
I'm sure Rob will jump in here as he seems to have a lot more sympathy for me in some areas regarding the professional minority out there but it baffles me yearly as to why the snapper ban isn't a ban at all its a keep the ammos out and let the pro's in for 3 month dealio... WA fisheries management is a joke in many regards!! I'm happy to have 3 months off but it has to be across the board!! Also buy out the remaining salmon netters and start a cat culling program!! My 2 cents worth...
Rob H
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Its actually 2 months
Its actually 2 months
EDIT-are you talking about the Cockburn Sound closure rather than Demersal closure?
Im not metro so not up to speed, but my understanding is that there is no commercial snapper fishing there full stop so whats the issue?
Correct me if Im wrong on that.
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axey45
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Yeah i think the last pros
Yeah i think the last pros was anzulovic or powell. Cockburn sound that is.
D_d_001
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have no idea about the salmon
have no idea about the salmon netters....but like the idea of a cat cull regardless !!!
timboon
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Sorry typo.... 2 month ban
Sorry typo.... 2 month ban and I'm not metro either... I do my best to keep the cat numbers at bay, you get that warm fuzzy feeling when you hear the thock and watch the eyes roll on a feral bastard...
For me the issue with allowing the pro's to continue to fish during the ammo ban just sends the wrong message, its kinda like we need to be seen to be doing something but we don't have the balls to do it properly...
carnarvonite
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Amnesty ban
The pros have had the number of days they can fish severely restricted and it affects them a lot worse than the recreational fishers for the 2 months ban.
They are not allowed to fish the metro restriction zone at any time so the numbers of fish in there are allowed to grow in the time its not fished in the mean time
Jaggo
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I wouldn't worry too much
I wouldn't worry too much about the pros as from what I can see they are a dying breed anyway. Barely any youngsters coming through and they are dropping off like flies still right up and down the coast. As for the salmon netters, from my research there's only a couple still doing it at cheynes maybe parrys and occaisionaly hamelin. Basically non existent compared to the 30+ 10 years ago. They've all either been brought out, died, gone broke or retired to do other jobs.